I’m not weighing in with an opinion just throwing crap at the wall to be aware of the possibility.

Don’t rule out jets considering Stepan in Zona or even signing 37 year old Mikko Koivu to a one year deal to play with Laine
- Ross77

If all else fails, ONE year of Koivu might be worth a gamble. But all else!

I’m not weighing in with an opinion just throwing crap at the wall to be aware of the possibility.

Don’t rule out jets considering Stepan in Zona or even signing 37 year old Mikko Koivu to a one year deal to play with Laine
- Ross77

I haven't followed Stepan, what does the Jets Hockeybuzz Armchair Scout report say?

I haven't followed Stepan, what does the Jets Hockeybuzz Armchair Scout report say?
- 2.0

I suggested that the Jets look at Stepan last year and I was laughed out of this forum.

Would Wheeler consider waiving his NMC to go to Minny? would Bill G. want him and what would be the return? For the record I still belong to the Wheeler fan club and he has in no way failed to deliver for every dollar he is paid. This is about considering what the Jets look like in the A.W. (after Wheeler)

Jets would become Scheifele's team with Copp, Morrissey, Ehlers, Lowry (Little?) taking on developing leadership roles. Trading him would also make it a little more clear who needs protection in expansion and provide more flexibility.

Would Wheeler with someone like Niku, Roslovic, Vesalainen or Heinola get you Dumba?

Edit: that would be a steal to get Dumba, Jets need to add

I suggested that the Jets look at Stepan last year and I was laughed out of this forum.
- TheUltimateJet

didn't you suggest that we trade Lowry, Copp and our 1st for Stepan?

There was some talk about the Birdman earlier on the board, but Birdman is KHL bound this year.

With nothing going on with the "A", the Birds KHL rights were traded to SKA St. Petersburg where they expect him to sign and play.

didn't you suggest that we trade Lowry, Copp and our 1st for Stepan?
- 2.0

No I did not suggest that trade at all. If I am trading a first I want an elite Center back!

As for Lowry, he's a great 4th line Center. If he is anything above that, your team has major problems.

I’m not weighing in with an opinion just throwing crap at the wall to be aware of the possibility.

Don’t rule out jets considering Stepan in Zona or even signing 37 year old Mikko Koivu to a one year deal to play with Laine
- Ross77

Bigger possibility is the Jets do virtually nothing. By that I mean Wheeler stays as 2C, they sign a guy like DeMelo or Hamonic to play their top 4, and bring back either Kulikov or Beaulieu as veteran depth.

The Jets may have cap space but they are looking at a massive revenue drop like most teams and escrow is capped at 20%. Why should they spend money they aren't making?

And I'm pretty sure the size, that he's always had, didn't hurt him either. For whatever reason, he has become an important cog on the Stars blue-line.
Heiskanen has become an "All-American" first star! Wowsers!
- grahamzky

He’s weird. He was pretty bad until he was sent back to Dallas from Pittsburgh. Something happened there. Now he’s actually good at stuff

I’m not weighing in with an opinion just throwing crap at the wall to be aware of the possibility.

Don’t rule out jets considering Stepan in Zona or even signing 37 year old Mikko Koivu to a one year deal to play with Laine
- Ross77

Stepan is maybe worth considering.

Koivu is an offensive black hole, though. He would probably make things worse on line 2.

Would Wheeler consider waiving his NMC to go to Minny? would Bill G. want him and what would be the return? For the record I still belong to the Wheeler fan club and he has in no way failed to deliver for every dollar he is paid. This is about considering what the Jets look like in the A.W. (after Wheeler)

Jets would become Scheifele's team with Copp, Morrissey, Ehlers, Lowry (Little?) taking on developing leadership roles. Trading him would also make it a little more clear who needs protection in expansion and provide more flexibility.

Would Wheeler with someone like Niku, Roslovic, Vesalainen or Heinola get you Dumba?

Edit: that would be a steal to get Dumba, Jets need to add
- 2.0

Okay, hold on, cause there’s a lot here:

1: I can’t see Wheeler waiving it this early. He might be down in 3 years, but not right now.

2: I agree on the merits of trading Wheeler before expansion, and think we should absolutely be trying to do just that.

3: At this point, Wheeler and Niku for Dumba is dead even. Wheeler still has a higher perceived value than his on ice value, and Dumba has trailed down a bit in the last two years.

4: Matt Dumba, at this point in time, is a decent #4 defenceman. His defence is bad, his offence has fallen a bit, but he creates chaos and scoring chances. His best attribute was his shot, and that disappeared last season, although some suggest that’s due to injury.
My point here is that either of Ville Heinola or Kristian Vesalainen ON THEIR OWN for Dumba is an overpayment for the Jets. So take those two off the trade table immediately, and forever where Matt Dumba is concerned.

No I did not suggest that trade at all. If I am trading a first I want an elite Center back!

As for Lowry, he's a great 4th line Center. If he is anything above that, your team has major problems.
- TheUltimateJet

I worry about Stepan’s age and skating ability here. He’s a worthwhile player, but he’s not a Blake Wheeler. Stepan can’t afford to lose any amount of speed he has right now. His decline could be swift

He’s weird. He was pretty bad until he was sent back to Dallas from Pittsburgh. Something happened there. Now he’s actually good at stuff
- Rexypoo

Gonchar is a coach of some sort with the Penguins and he works with their dmen, that's what I heard anyway.

Gonchar is a coach of some sort with the Penguins and he works with their dmen, that's what I heard anyway.
- JetFuel

Possible reason.

Catching up time:
Jets do not have anyone that can replace Lowry - a big physical center. If you trade him, you will need to replace what he brings to the table.
Copp makes for a good #3 center at best.
Wheeler for Dumba - NO WAY !
Brossoit for # 2 goalie for one more season.
Comrie is not an NHL Goalie.
Logan Stanley was a mistake. Every team makes draft mistakes. Let's move on !
Time to trade Niku, while he still may have some value.
Maurice has to work with the players that Chevy has given him. I don't think that this team has the talent or mix to go much further than they have gone.
Koivu is past his best before date.

Bigger possibility is the Jets do virtually nothing. By that I mean Wheeler stays as 2C, they sign a guy like DeMelo or Hamonic to play their top 4, and bring back either Kulikov or Beaulieu as veteran depth.

The Jets may have cap space but they are looking at a massive revenue drop like most teams and escrow is capped at 20%. Why should they spend money they aren't making?
- BWJumper

its a business risk but the reason they do it is because of supply and demand. Other teams will be under pressure to reduce costs and required to because of cap reasons and thereby making more players available to other teams. With other teams reluctant to sign players and up against the cap it is a unique opportunity to build the team with more talent at a lower than historical cost

Gonchar is a coach of some sort with the Penguins and he works with their dmen, that's what I heard anyway.
- JetFuel

Gonchar was recently relieved of his duties. He was considered to be a major reason Schultz turned his career around.

its a business risk but the reason they do it is because of supply and demand. Other teams will be under pressure to reduce costs and required to because of cap reasons and thereby making more players available to other teams. With other teams reluctant to sign players and up against the cap it is a unique opportunity to build the team with more talent at a lower than historical cost
- 2.0

This is the first time I will actually agree with everything you said!

As much as I want Anthony Cirelli, I would also find Yanni Gourde centering Ehlers and Laine to be pretty incredible

Bigger possibility is the Jets do virtually nothing. By that I mean Wheeler stays as 2C, they sign a guy like DeMelo or Hamonic to play their top 4, and bring back either Kulikov or Beaulieu as veteran depth.

The Jets may have cap space but they are looking at a massive revenue drop like most teams and escrow is capped at 20%. Why should they spend money they aren't making?
- BWJumper

this has to be worst case scenario, and I will firmly be on the fire Chevy Train if this comes to fruition

I worry about Stepan’s age and skating ability here. He’s a worthwhile player, but he’s not a Blake Wheeler. Stepan can’t afford to lose any amount of speed he has right now. His decline could be swift
- Rexypoo

someone like Stepan or Stasny, both with one year left on their deal and "should" come cheap as both those teams need to shed salary, should only be considered if and only if!!! we draft a center in the first round this year, and one of these two buy that drafted player one more year of development wherever they are. and secondly, we do not find a better longer term solution before training camp

One thing that both Tampa Bay and Dallas have in common is great CENTER depth.

Hmmm.... I wonder which poster has been speaking about having Center depth for the last 4 years.

As much as I want Anthony Cirelli, I would also find Yanni Gourde centering Ehlers and Laine to be pretty incredible
- Rexypoo

agree, he has a no trade though does he not?

I think many people on this board have bought into the Paul Maurice philosophy of coaching wher only one line does all the scoring, while the others just take up time. Copp is great at possession and does have some offensive upside. He has the ability to keep other first lines honest as he would be a threat to score especially if paired with guys like Harkins or Roslovic. Realistically he should be a 40 point per year third line Center, especially if he is not paired with the anchor known as Adam Lowry. Imagine the results if Lowry had to go up against guys like Seguin, O'Reilly, McDavid, Draisatl, etc... on a regular basis, we would not even be in the game!

Having two lines that can score at a .8ppg clip and having a third line that scores at a .50+ppg clip would cause matchup nightmares for opposing teams. Look at Tampa Bay, And cup winning teams like the Capitals, Blackhawks, Kings and Penguins, they all had that winning formula.
- TheUltimateJet

Yeah I agree, it really is obvious that having such an unproductive 3rd line isn't working, all it'd take is to drop Lowry down to the 4th line and the problem is solved, Harkins-Copp-Roslo would be a decent line, I'm sure it'd be fine defensively.

I see there's another comment about how important Lowry's size is and yeah I don't deny that but there's plenty of big enough 4C's that could be acquired for peanuts and they make considerably less then Lowry, also I really don't get this idea that we need some huge, physical center, why not just a couple bigger physical wingers on the 4th line? Guys like that should be cheap and easy to get.

agree, he has a no trade though does he not?
- Ross77

Yes. But the writing is on the wall in Tampa. Someone is gonna have to move, and Gourde would be the most likely to land a sweet gig on a new team.
Johnson is 30, and Killorn wears a “A”. Gourde is the highest value trade chip