Yeah I totally agree, I'm not advocating to draft strictly for need but you put it as I think it should go, if you're looking at a clear cut better player then take the better player but if it comes down to a few choices that they feel are all a similar talent level but they have a clear cut need at a certain position I see absolutely nothing wrong with selecting based on positional need at that point.

If they keep the 10th overall pick they really need to nail that selection, same with their 2nd rounder as this is supposed to be a good draft.
- JetFuel

Definitely, you can't let a guy like Aho or Cirelli slip your fingers!

Definitely, you can't let a guy like Aho or Cirelli slip your fingers!
- TheUltimateJet

Especially this offseason.
Cirelli offersheet.

Also, if we can’t land Pietrangelo, I would advocate a trade for Nik Hjalmarsson.
He can play both sides, and is the best pure shutdown defenceman of the last decade

Definitely, you can't let a guy like Aho or Cirelli slip your fingers!
- TheUltimateJet

Aho or Cirelli??.. I'll be happy if they don't let a
Roope Hintz slip by them!.. Lol

I still can't believe how poor this organizations drafting has been in rounds 2 and later, other then Helly it's 4th liners and bottom pair dmen that could be found on waivers or through minor trades of similar draft picks, to be fair there's still some guys that might work out like Harkins and Samberg but I'd much rather have Hintz right now then Harkins.

Idk, maybe it's all luck with drafting but for all we hear about this clubs drafting I sure don't see the results outside of the 1st round, it's part of the reason why there's so many holes in the lineup and for the lack of quality depth, is it time to start investing more in the scouting staff maybe?

Also, if we can’t land Pietrangelo, I would advocate a trade for Nik Hjalmarsson.
He can play both sides, and is the best pure shutdown defenceman of the last decade
- Rexypoo

Hjalmarsson has a full NMC, would be super cool to see him in a Jets jersey though!

Aho or Cirelli??.. I'll be happy if they don't let a
Roope Hintz slip by them!.. Lol

I still can't believe how poor this organizations drafting has been in rounds 2 and later, other then Helly it's 4th liners and bottom pair dmen that could be found on waivers or through minor trades of similar draft picks, to be fair there's still some guys that might work out like Harkins and Samberg but I'd much rather have Hintz right now then Harkins.

Idk, maybe it's all luck with drafting but for all we hear about this clubs drafting I sure don't see the results outside of the 1st round, it's part of the reason why there's so many holes in the lineup and for the lack of quality depth, is it time to start investing more in the scouting staff maybe?
- JetFuel

Most of their success comes from drafting in the first half of the first round. Outside of Kyle Connor, all other late first rounders have not worked out thus far.

Hjalmarsson has a full NMC, would be super cool to see him in a Jets jersey though!
- JetFuel

Two years ago I suggested that the Jets get him and that's when we had Trouba, Byfuglien and Myers. I was told that was a ridiculous idea.

Two years ago I suggested that the Jets get him and that's when we had Trouba, Byfuglien and Myers. I was told that was a ridiculous idea.
- TheUltimateJet

Again, you probably were not told it’s ridiculous you were probably told your offer was not good. There is a difference

Also don't know if this would be a fair trade but after listening to Kypreos on his podcast, it seems that the Jets would get a major haul for Laine. Got me thinking and I came up with this:

To DET: Patrik Laine, 2020 first round pick

To WPG: Dylan Larkin, Evgeni Svechnikov, Filip Zadina, 2020 second round pick


Just some Ultimate thoughts for Saturday morning...
- TheUltimateJet

Thinking about this more and we are giving up too much!! Evgeni has not developed as hope yet and is a huge ?, and I’m not sure the other pieces equal Laine and 10th overall. Just my opinion

And a huge buddy of Connor’s, also a local.....Maybe they pay up and we trade them Connor instead.........
- Ross77

I look at Ehlers and Laine playing very similar games. Both guys like to stick to the perimeter and shoot from way out. Connor, I think is a bit unique in that he's great at getting those greasy rebounds and the stuff he does in close quarters is pretty incredible.

For that reason, I see the Jets moving one of Laine or Ehlers. Plus I think we are all in agreement that Maurice really does not know how to coach either.

I look at Ehlers and Laine playing very similar games. Both guys like to stick to the perimeter and shoot from way out. Connor, I think is a bit unique in that he's great at getting those greasy rebounds and the stuff he does in close quarters is pretty incredible.

For that reason, I see the Jets moving one of Laine or Ehlers. Plus I think we are all in agreement that Maurice really does not know how to coach either.
- TheUltimateJet

I think your Connor bias is showing, the kid doesn't go to greasy areas, hates the dirty work and doesn't like getting hit, he's the Jets softest player by far.

I do agree about Maurice.

Thinking about this more and we are giving up too much!! Evgeni has not developed as hope yet and is a huge ?, and I’m not sure the other pieces equal Laine and 10th overall. Just my opinion
- Ross77

Yeah that's not a very great return, people really want to underrate what Laine does and Svechnikov missed an entire season due to injury, he's not his brother.

Yeah that's not a very great return, people really want to underrate what Laine does and Svechnikov missed an entire season due to injury, he's not his brother.
- JetFuel

According to Kypreos, he suggested that the Jets do a deal with Buffalo for Reinhardt and Ristolainen. You may be right on Svechnikov, Maurice wouldn't know how to coach him either.

I think your Connor bias is showing, the kid doesn't go to greasy areas, hates the dirty work and doesn't like getting hit, he's the Jets softest player by far.

I do agree about Maurice.
- JetFuel

We all have biases. I really like Connor. Would have been the first 40/40 guy in Jets 2.0 history. What's not to like about that?

I look at Ehlers and Laine playing very similar games. Both guys like to stick to the perimeter and shoot from way out. Connor, I think is a bit unique in that he's great at getting those greasy rebounds and the stuff he does in close quarters is pretty incredible.

For that reason, I see the Jets moving one of Laine or Ehlers. Plus I think we are all in agreement that Maurice really does not know how to coach either.
- TheUltimateJet

But Connor is the worst defending and playing in our zone of the three so he gets my vote. Which means nothing cause they’ll never trade him, classic jets

And yes, Maurice needs to find a new role in the organization

We all have biases. I really like Connor. Would have been the first 40/40 guy in Jets 2.0 history. What's not to like about that?
- TheUltimateJet

Yes we all do and I like Connor as well but he has warts in his game, just seems like he gets a free pass on his deficiencies but the two young Scandinavians get the majority of the criticism which I think is lame.

Ultimate, you also wanted the jets to get Athanasiou who edmonton is desperate to move, the kid couldn’t even succeed playing with McDavid. We all make mistakes in players evaluating, I know I have! But you need to realize this was a bad take and I’m happy Jets never got this guy.

Yes we all do and I like Connor as well but he has warts in his game, just seems like he gets a free pass on his deficiencies but the two young Scandinavians get the majority of the criticism which I think is lame.
- JetFuel

Agree
And Connor like wheeler seemed glued to Shiefele even though it’s not helping us win more. Also lame .

According to Kypreos, he suggested that the Jets do a deal with Buffalo for Reinhardt and Ristolainen. You may be right on Svechnikov, Maurice wouldn't know how to coach him either.
- TheUltimateJet

From everything I've read Reinhart is another guy listed as a C/RW but hasn't played center in years, maybe it could be tried again if they acquired him but if it doesn't work out they'd wouldn't of gained much.
Risto is okay, probably gets a bad rap but I wouldn't sell the farm for him, Buffalo has too many dmen, shouldn't overpay them for one.
Idk what Kypreos was suggesting the Jets trade to Buffalo for those two but if it involves Laine, Ehlers or Connor then that'd be a definite no from me.

Ultimate, you also wanted the jets to get Athanasiou who edmonton is desperate to move, the kid couldn’t even succeed playing with McDavid. We all make mistakes in players evaluating, I know I have! But you need to realize this was a bad take and I’m happy Jets never got this guy.
- Ross77

I was one who was down for an Athanasiou acquisition as well, he didn't work out in Edmonton but that was a small sample size, in the end the Oilers didn't give that much for him, if they keep him he might find his footing their yet.

I was one who was down for an Athanasiou acquisition as well, he didn't work out in Edmonton but that was a small sample size, in the end the Oilers didn't give that much for him, if they keep him he might find his footing their yet.
- JetFuel

I think with him the bottom line is simple, he is not a smart hockey player and no matter how fast you can skate, you can not make up for a weak mind.
This also seems to be the knock on Puljujarvi, but I’m not as familiar with him.

Agree
And Connor like wheeler seemed glued to Shiefele even though it’s not helping us win more. Also lame .
- Ross77

That line is overrated, they get quite a few of their points together on the powerplay too which I think is missed by many.

I think Wheeler runs Maurice and that's who he wants to play with so that's what happens which is why I'd like to see some significant changes in the bottom 6, if Chevy goes to work to make changes there maybe the overall results will be better, Maurice isn't changing so Chevy needs to build around his tendencies, it's the only way anything will change until there's a coaching change which I doubt is coming anytime soon.

Yes we all do and I like Connor as well but he has warts in his game, just seems like he gets a free pass on his deficiencies but the two young Scandinavians get the majority of the criticism which I think is lame.
- JetFuel

Well we all agree that Maurice can't coach these guys. We also agree that Maurice is not going anywhere for the duration of his contract. I don't understand why Jets fans want to keep players that this coach will not use to their maximum potential. We might as well get him the players he wants.

Agree
And Connor like wheeler seemed glued to Shiefele even though it’s not helping us win more. Also lame .
- Ross77

I would like to keep Connor glued to Ehlers. I don't think we have seen what a dynamic duo they can be together. I am not upset with Connor developing chemistry with Scheifele. I am upset that Wheeler stays with them.

I actually think that Wheeler should be playing with Laine. Laine has the best shot and Wheeler has the best passing hands. They too should be glued together.

I think with him the bottom line is simple, he is not a smart hockey player and no matter how fast you can skate, you can not make up for a weak mind.
This also seems to be the knock on Puljujarvi, but I’m not as familiar with him.
- Ross77

Probably, has the tools but not the IQ to go with it.

I can't say for Pulujarvi myself, anytime I saw him on the Oilers it was with Lucic and Brodziak, he looked good but hard to do much with those two.
Apparently he did get quite a bit of time with McDavid and Draisaitl but I didn't see those games myself so don't know if he did or not or what went wrong if he did play with those two.