MIN, ANA and SJ are teams in denial. It's rebuild time and nobody is telling them the truth.
- Rinosaur

I think Anaheim, in particular, is a team we've traded with in the past and has the potential to be a good (non-murray) trade partner. Like a big-ish kind of shake-up deal.

We've all wanted Rakell, and I'd still love to have him but the need isn't the same now that we have Kap.

There are some that think the same of the Pens....
- MattStrat

The Pens aren't even close to being in the same boat as those teams. They are minor tweaks away from being a true contender or with no moves at the worst a bubble team. MIN has a decent top four defense and that's about it. They're mediocre in every other aspect of their roster.

I think Anaheim, in particular, is a team we've traded with in the past and has the potential to be a good (non-murray) trade partner. Like a big-ish kind of shake-up deal.

We've all wanted Rakell, and I'd still love to have him but the need isn't the same now that we have Kap.
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Out of the three I mentioned, yes, you could make an argument they need a major retool rather than a full on rebuild to be back in the mix. They have some nice pieces sprinkled around and having Gibson by default gives them a shot.

There are some that think the same of the Pens....
- MattStrat

The Pens and Anaheim are different cases IMO because we won Cups and have the luxury of letting Crosby, Malkin, and Getzlaf ride off into the sunset. SJ didn’t win their Cups but they seem to be doing the same with Jumbo and Marleau saying they’ll keep them as long as they want to be here but will make sure they get cracks at Cups elsewhere if they desire it. The Wold are truly baffling. They don’t have anyone on that team that carries the same meaning to the franchise as a Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Jumbo, or Marleau for them to be parking the bus and Stubbornly pursuing a Cup for their guy when it’s clearly not happening. Their closest guy is Koivu.

The Pens and Anaheim are different cases IMO because we won Cups and have the luxury of letting Crosby, Malkin, and Getzlaf ride off into the sunset. SJ didn’t win their Cups but they seem to be doing the same with Jumbo and Marleau saying they’ll keep them as long as they want to be here but will make sure they get cracks at Cups elsewhere if they desire it. The Wold are truly baffling. They don’t have anyone on that team that carries the same meaning to the franchise as a Crosby, Malkin, Getzlaf, Jumbo, or Marleau for them to be parking the bus and Stubbornly pursuing a Cup for their guy when it’s clearly not happening. Their closest guy is Koivu.
- Victoro311

Who has announced he's going to free agency hahaha

I agree with all of that...I only made the comment to stir the pot a bit. I understand the differences. The Pens are a move or two away from being right in the mix and a few injuries away from missing the playoffs completely. We'll see what happens.

Terrible. I think MIN is living in denial about what kind of team they are. They are far closer to a rebuild than a legit conteder.
- Rinosaur

The problem is the owner thinks they're closer and they're hoping Kaprizov and Fiala will be their big stars up front. They can compete for a playoff spot in the West with better goal-tending, but I don't see a championship nucleus.

The problem is the owner thinks they're closer and they're hoping Kaprizov and Fiala will be their big stars up front. They can compete for a playoff spot in the West with better goal-tending, but I don't see a championship nucleus.
- Tojo.

That's because there is none. Staal is currently their top center. Parise and Zucc are their best wingers the drop off after that is hard. Yes, Kapizov may turn into a good winger, but he's surrounded by nothing.

MIN, ANA and SJ are teams in denial. It's rebuild time and nobody is telling them the truth.
- Rinosaur

Anaheim has been trying. They used a ton of prospects this year, but I can't think of any that actually had a good year.

SJ probably knows it, but with all their bad-looking long-term deals what can they really do? It's going to take a while to clear that up, might as well at least try seeing as they did almost make the finals a year ago.

Anaheim has been trying. They used a ton of prospects this year, but I can't think of any that actually had a good year.

SJ probably knows it, but with all their bad-looking long-term deals what can they really do? It's going to take a while to clear that up, might as well at least try seeing as they did almost make the finals a year ago.
- Tojo.

This is Getzlaf's last year, at least on his contract anyway. My guess is he gets dealt at the deadline as a rental with retention. Henrique is still capable of being a 2nd line center and there's a couple of good wingers around him, but like with MIN, the drop off after Rackell and Silvferberg is steep ,and while they're decent players, that's not saying a lot.

Lindholm and Masnon are good, but again, the drop off after that isn't pretty.

Gibson is the shining light for them and he's being wasted.

That's because there is none. Staal is currently their top center. Parise and Zucc are their best wingers the drop off after that is hard. Yes, Kapizov may turn into a good winger, but he's surrounded by nothing.
- Rinosaur

You're under-selling Fiala who actually led them in points, but other than that I'd agree. You can be competitive with good goal-tending (if they find it), defense, and a few scoring wings, but hard to truly contend without at least one top center and those are almost impossible to add except in the draft.

You're under-selling Fiala who actually led them in points, but other than that I'd agree. You can be competitive with good goal-tending (if they find it), defense, and a few scoring wings, but hard to truly contend without at least one top center and those are almost impossible to add except in the draft.
- Tojo.

Fiala is a nice player, but next season Zucc and Parise will be a year older and at least for Parise, you're going to probably see a steeper drop. There's just no much of anything redeeming in their lineup outside of their top dmen.

This is Getzlaf's last year, at least on his contract anyway. My guess is he gets dealt at the deadline as a rental with retention. Henrique is still capable of being a 2nd line center and there's a couple of good wingers around him, but like with MIN, the drop off after Rackell and Silvferberg is steep ,and while they're decent players, that's not saying a lot.

Lindholm and Masnon are good, but again, the drop off after that isn't pretty.

Gibson is the shining light for them and he's being wasted.
- Rinosaur

Yeah there's not a lot to be excited in Anaheim, but I do think they've admitted it and are trying, they just have a long road ahead. They thought they had a wave of supporting talent coming in, and maybe some of them will break out, but last year wasn't promising.

So NMC the first few years for Brodin. Makes it all the more likely they move Dumba before expansion since it seemed like one or the other would go. I think Dumba is more valuable, but I guess that means a better chance to get a center.

Yeah there's not a lot to be excited in Anaheim, but I do think they've admitted it and are trying, they just have a long road ahead. They thought they had a wave of supporting talent coming in, and maybe some of them will break out, but last year wasn't promising.
- Tojo.

I would actually inquire about Getzlaf if they'd retain 50%, but I don't know how he's valued right now as far as what they'd need to do to make that happen.

I would actually inquire about Getzlaf if they'd retain 50%, but I don't know how he's valued right now as far as what they'd need to do to make that happen.
- Rinosaur

Getzlaf has a NMC and at least their beat guy feels he doesn't want to move.

Getzlaf has a NMC and at least their best guy feels he doesn't want to move.
- Tojo.

Anaheim has already started collecting a nice prospect pool. They are way ahead on a rebuild compared to SJ and MIN.

Getzlaf has a NMC and at least their best guy feels he doesn't want to move.
- Tojo.

Even if it's not to the Pens, I'd wager he'd want a shot at one more cup if he plans on retiring after next season.

Anaheim has already started collecting a nice prospect pool. They are way ahead on a rebuild compared to SJ and MIN.
- Feds91Stammer

That's because SJ and MIN haven't even begun to plan a rebuild.

Terrible. I think MIN is living in denial about what kind of team they are. They are far closer to a rebuild than a legit conteder.
- Rinosaur

I think that is actually a very good contract. Everyone here seems to underrate him but Brodin is a really good player, still in his prime.

Smart to lock him up. Trade Dumba for some Center help. Toronto would likely give up Kerfoot and Liljegrin for him, maybe the Pens first.

I'd do Domi and Petry for Letang.
- Hockey66

habs would never agree to that trade; they wouldn't take letang for petry straight up

Super random question...

The limit on retention is 50%, but can a player be retained on twice? Did they do that with Brassard?

Example: Player X gets traded to Team B, and Team A retains 50%, then Team B trades said player to Team C, and Team B retains 50%.

MIN, ANA and SJ are teams in denial. It's rebuild time and nobody is telling them the truth.
- Rinosaur

Tell that to the Rangers. They were in the same should be rebooting phase and they are already turning the corner.

Should everyone be like Ottawa and strip it bare and hope it works out? It takes a lot of time and no one wants to suck for 5 years before getting good.

They all need to retool but it doesn't mean not keeping some of their really good players.

Tell that to the Rangers. They were in the same should be rebooting phase and they are already turning the corner.

Should everyone be like Ottawa and strip it bare and hope it works out? It takes a lot of time and no one wants to suck for 5 years before getting good.

They all need to retool but it doesn't mean not keeping some of their really good players.
- MacPatty

The Rangers were not in the same phase. They were VERY smart, saw the writing on the wall and said it's time to pack it in and went full rebuild when they could have continued to make limping-in moves to try and be a bubble team.

That's because SJ and MIN haven't even begun to plan a rebuild.
- Rinosaur

SJs plan was to dump more fuel (Kane and Karlsson) into the already sinking titanic.

The Rangers were not in the same phase. They were VERY smart, saw the writing on the wall and said it's time to pack it in and went full rebuild when they could have continued to make limping-in moves to try and be a bubble team.
- Rinosaur

I wouldn’t call what the rangers did a full rebuild. They just got extremely lucky.