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The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 15 @ 2:25 PM ET
There is no better replacement for a better price.

Kuemper has been sheltered behind a defensive team and he's never played multiple full seasons as a starter. Kuemper has played 55+ games ONCE in his career. Andersen has stood on his head every season for 50-65+ games every year since he got here. It'd be an astronomically stupid move to replace Andersen with a back-up and expect different results.

Fix the defense, the goalie is good enough.

- JohnFergusonJr


They need Andersen's cap space (some of it) to fix the D.

I wouldn't replace him with a guy making similar money but if their was a guy out their similar to Andersen who came with a lower cap hit then it's a worthwhile investment if it means more $$$ can be allocated to the glaring holes on D.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 15 @ 2:26 PM ET
I don't know if you know this but a season has 82 games so if your plan is to play Campbell 30 games and Kuemper 30 games, you're going to need to find a 3rd goalie to play the last 22 games.
- JohnFergusonJr


Kuemper can play more. Campbell can play more as well. They are not going to use that same strategy of 1 guy playin 65 games and barely playing the backup anymore.
Zezel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The Name Of The Game Is Hockey, ON
Joined: 02.28.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:26 PM ET
Guys that hate Freddy, honestly, do you even watch hockey
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
It's not Andersen's fault they got shutout twice. You know that high powered unstoppable offense that will win a Cup by itself you keep bragging about?
- JohnFergusonJr



Again, my main reasoning for wanting Andersen gone are contractual.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
I saw them live in my only premier league match in London 2 years ago. Now I'm a fan
- RogerRoeper

I’ve never been to a real soccer game. I’d like to go sometime.

I watched the Man City one a couple years ago, not sure who I like more now.. Probably Man City tbh..
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
Andersen defenders keep posting this, but it places him 3rd out of 3 goalies in that series.

He's being moved for contract reasons anyways.

- RogerRoeper


It wasn't the overall numbers, it was the weak goals at critical times. It happens a lot.. We need to get someone that can make a key save when it is needed, the Atkinson goal in game 1 and the Foudy goal in game 5 should not have happened.

Andersen is a great goalie, we need someone that can make an important save at a key point of the game
Archaic
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Waterloo, ON
Joined: 01.12.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
Most goalie do, we even scored some cheap ones in our series. We just didn’t score enough good ones.
- Garnie


His have been consistent throughout all the series at critical times as well. Quite a few more then I would consider to be normal.

I dont hate Freddy, I just wouldnt mind an upgrade especially with a contract year coming up.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 15 @ 2:27 PM ET
I’ve never been to a real soccer game. I’d like to go sometime.

I watched the Man City one a couple years ago, not sure who I like more now.. Probably Man City tbh..

- Arctic_AARDVARK



It was fun. I brought the wife and she got so mad. 70K drunken Soccer hooligans. It was at WEmbley
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:28 PM ET
Guys that hate Freddy, honestly, do you even watch hockey
- Zezel


I don't hate Andersen, I think he is a great goalie, but he struggles with consistency
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:28 PM ET
It wasn't the overall numbers, it was the weak goals at critical times. It happens a lot.. We need to get someone that can make a key save when it is needed, the Atkinson goal in game 1 and the Foudy goal in game 5 should not have happened.

Andersen is a great goalie, we need someone that can make an important save at a key point of the game

- PatC80

Oh, the 4-on-1 CLB had?

Yeah, totally not the defences fault or anything.. 🤦🏻‍♂️
Aaron_85
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 04.22.2014

Sep 15 @ 2:29 PM ET
There is no better replacement for a better price.

Kuemper has been sheltered behind a defensive team and he's never played multiple full seasons as a starter. Kuemper has played 55+ games ONCE in his career. Andersen has stood on his head every season for 50-65+ games every year since he got here. It'd be an astronomically stupid move to replace Andersen with a back-up and expect different results.

Fix the defense, the goalie is good enough.

- JohnFergusonJr


I think it's one or the other this year. I think you either get a goalie who could somehow out perform Andersen OR fix the D.

I think fixing the D is of larger importance. I can't see the Leafs bringing in Holtby or Crawford.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:29 PM ET
Oh, the 4-on-1 CLB had?

Yeah, totally not the defences fault or anything.. 🤦🏻‍♂️

- Arctic_AARDVARK


Admittedly, it was a bad line change, but how was that a 4 on 1? Foudy was behind the goal line
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
I think it's one or the other this year. I think you either get a goalie who could somehow out perform Andersen OR fix the D.

I think fixing the D is of larger importance. I can't see the Leafs bringing in Holtby or Crawford.

- Aaron_85


Any chance we can get Khudobhin?
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
Andersen at his best is a 918-919 goalie who will have 2+ long, brutal stretches of terrible goaltending. Forget about a big October...

He also struggles in the playoffs overall. And before you blame "Leafs D", he had the same numbers and same playoff stuggles with a much better D infront of him in Anaheim.

He's no star.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:30 PM ET
It was fun. I brought the wife and she got so mad. 70K drunken Soccer hooligans. It was at WEmbley
- RogerRoeper

Lol..

I’m not sure how much I’d enjoy that part tbh haha.. but you gotta know what you’re getting yourself into, it’s not a remembrance day memorial service..
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 15 @ 2:31 PM ET
Oh, the 4-on-1 CLB had?

Yeah, totally not the defences fault or anything.. 🤦🏻‍♂️

- Arctic_AARDVARK


That's not even remotely what happened. It was a terrible goal to give up. Backbreaker.


RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 15 @ 2:31 PM ET
Lol..

I’m not sure how much I’d enjoy that part tbh haha.. but you gotta know what you’re getting yourself into, it’s not a remembrance day memorial service..

- Arctic_AARDVARK

It was scary taking the Tube back. Took so long to get through the crowd.
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:31 PM ET
Admittedly, it was a bad line change, but how was that a 4 on 1? Foudy was behind the goal line
- PatC80

With 3 wide open options out front.

Freddy had to anticipate him passing more than him shooting from that angle.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 15 @ 2:32 PM ET
And yet, it was still a stupid deal that does nothing for the Leafs in their bid to improve playoff performance.

Hallander won't be in the NHL full time for years, if ever at all.

Knowing Dubas, he's going to trade down to 30th again and have a collection of players that won't play in the NHL for another 3-5 years, just in time for Matthews to walk as a UFA.

- JohnFergusonJr



woulds never have guessed you would have a negative debbie downer view.

I liked the deal before, but after reading this...i (frank)ing love the deal
Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:33 PM ET
It was scary taking the Tube back. Took so long to get through the crowd.
- RogerRoeper

The tube, lmao..

If I start talking like that I change my mind, I don’t want to go.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
Andersen at his best is a 918-919 goalie who will have 2+ long, brutal stretches of terrible goaltending. Forget about a big October...

He also struggles in the playoffs overall. And before you blame "Leafs D", he had the same numbers and same playoff stuggles with a much better D infront of him in Anaheim.

He's no star.

- RogerRoeper


I think it's fair to say that the Leafs outplayed the Blue Jackets in the play-in round, but they didn't lose because Andersen was the 3rd best goalie in the series.

They lost because Korpisalo and Merzlikins played way above expectations and Andersen didn't..
We all know CBJ is not an offensive team, I expected Freddy to put up good numbers, did not expect the weak goals at important points in the game.

matt1337
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 925K. Talented player. (Lehtonen) Santo_44, ON
Joined: 09.28.2010

Sep 15 @ 2:35 PM ET
They've tried that method before and it doesn't work. They need to quit with the band-aid solutions and get a legit top pair RHD to play with Rielly and stop with this Ceci / Barrie non-sense year after year.
- JohnFergusonJr


Issue with Ceci is that he wasn't a top pairing guy and was better playing bottom pairing. Then leafs made him a top pairing guy. Barrie I don't know what happened but a lot of people were surprised he didn't workout here.

No one is saying go get 3rd pairing guys and throw them on the 1st line. There are guys in free agency that average over 20 minutes a night and are capable guys. 2 of those is better than 1 Pietrangelo who could get hurt and leave us hurting on the right side.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:38 PM ET
With 3 wide open options out front.

Freddy had to anticipate him passing more than him shooting from that angle.

- Arctic_AARDVARK


You sure that was the same play? I know Marincin was on the ice, but he still counts as a body.
tmlfan17
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.22.2010

Sep 15 @ 2:38 PM ET
Nope, that’s horrific. Looks like one of the 100 or so fires was started by a meth dealer. Some other looney started a bunch by the side of the road but they were put out.

Record drought, wind and heat make any fire, no matter how started that much worse but that involves science.

- Canada Cup

Bullpoop the majority of the fires started in Oregon were started by Arsonists.
I can start posting their mugshots but you can look it up your self.

Arctic_AARDVARK
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Everybody calm down, AB
Joined: 07.24.2011

Sep 15 @ 2:41 PM ET
Issue with Ceci is that he wasn't a top pairing guy and was better playing bottom pairing. Then leafs made him a top pairing guy. Barrie I don't know what happened but a lot of people were surprised he didn't workout here.

No one is saying go get 3rd pairing guys and throw them on the 1st line. There are guys in free agency that average over 20 minutes a night and are capable guys. 2 of those is better than 1 Pietrangelo who could get hurt and leave us hurting on the right side.

- matt1337


Not a bad take.

Leafs (Dubas) tried patching holes with duct tape, it didn’t work out so well. Sometimes talent is obvious, but I think beyond that Dubas has a really hard time judging who’s capable of what.
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