Drafted by the Leafs @ 15.
THEN he will be a bust!

that or we trade him for Raycroft again...might work this time

So your first round success stories in the last 30 years are Fuhr, Broduer, Price, and Vasilevsky. Strange list. I thought Luongo had a pretty nice career. You've previously stated MAF is first ballot Hall-of-Famer. Tuukka Rask has a better resume than Vasilevsky. Then you have guys like Gibson, Markstrom, etc...that just slid out of the 1st round into early 2nd. Pretty good success stories so far. So seems like a stretch to suggest that in 30 years there have only been 4 success stories...

So your first round success stories in the last 30 years are Fuhr, Broduer, Price, and Vasilevsky. Strange list. I thought Luongo had a pretty nice career. You've previously stated MAF is first ballot Hall-of-Famer. Tuukka Rask has a better resume than Vasilevsky. Then you have guys like Gibson, Markstrom, etc...that just slid out of the 1st round into early 2nd. Pretty good success stories so far. So seems like a stretch to suggest that in 30 years there have only been 4 success stories...
- Kooleus

Speaking of a stretch, you need to complain that he didn't list every single goalie that met the criteria and instead just provided examples?

Brodin just signed for $6M x 7 years. I guess they will protect him and trade Dumba. Any word on this Ek?

Brodin just signed for $6M x 7 years. I guess they will protect him and trade Dumba. Any word on this Ek?
- Kooleus

Dumba to Pitt after they trade Letang to Montreal

Uh, I’d put fleury on that list before I put Price anywhere near that list.

how about you worry about drafting a player with two working shoulders, hmm?
- BINGO!

Who broke their shoulder now?

Dumba to Pitt after they trade Letang to Montreal
- Streit2ThePoint

Dumba is missing a couple of "S's". He would fit right in with Pitt.

That he's Russian has nothing to do with his draft stock. Literally 0. This is a stupid point to try to make.

Just stupid.

That he's Russian has nothing to do with his draft stock. Literally 0. This is a stupid point to try to make.

Just stupid.
- rmull905

But Russian goalies rule the NHL. Pay attention.

Here is every goalie drafted in the first round in the last 20 years.

Spencer Knight
Jake Oettinger
Ilya Samsonov
Andrei Vasilevskiy
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Mark Visentin
Chet Pickard
Tom McCollum
Jonathan Bernier
Riku Helenius
Semyon Varlamov
Leland Irving
Carey Price
Tukka Rask
Al Montoya
Devan Dubnyk
Marek Schwarz
Cory Schneider
Marc-Andre Fleury
Kari Lehtonen
Cam Ward
Hannu Toivanen
Pascal Leclaire
Dan Blackburn
Jason Bacashihua
Adam Munro
Rick DiPietro
Brent Krahn

Jury’s still out on the youngest three, but out of the other 26, I count maybe:

- 3 consistently elite starters (Vasilevskiy, Price, Rask)
- 3 very good to occasionally great starters (Fleury, Schneider, Varlamov)
- 4 respectably competent NHL goaltenders with maybe a few brief spikes of higher end play here and there (Bernier, Dubnyk, Lehtonen, Ward)
- 16 guys who were at best backup quality

That is not a great batting average.

Sure, it seems like Askarov has a lot more buzz than most of the other guys on that list, but at the same time I do not have a particularly high confidence level in the hockey scouting community’s ability to accurately predict the long-term NHL performance of teenaged goaltenders.

But Russian goalies rule the NHL. Pay attention.
- Kooleus

Oh.
Right.

Damnit, I forgot.

That he's Russian has nothing to do with his draft stock. Literally 0. This is a stupid point to try to make.

Just stupid.
- rmull905

Well if he's Russian then there's a chance that he had Ace status back home. We don't have the Ace system here in North America so it just may be what pushes him to first overall pick this year. The problem is that if he is an Ace then he might also want to be the Man. That's where things get really complicated.

Here is every goalie drafted in the first round in the last 20 years.

Spencer Knight
Jake Oettinger
Ilya Samsonov
Andrei Vasilevskiy
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Mark Visentin
Chet Pickard
Tom McCollum
Jonathan Bernier
Riku Helenius
Semyon Varlamov
Leland Irving
Carey Price
Tukka Rask
Al Montoya
Devan Dubnyk
Marek Schwarz
Cory Schneider
Marc-Andre Fleury
Kari Lehtonen
Cam Ward
Hannu Toivanen
Pascal Leclaire
Dan Blackburn
Jason Bacashihua
Adam Munro
Rick DiPietro
Brent Krahn

Jury’s still out on the youngest three, but out of the other 26, I count maybe:

- 3 consistently elite starters (Vasilevskiy, Price, Rask)
- 3 very good to occasionally great starters (Fleury, Schneider, Varlamov)
- 4 respectably competent NHL goaltenders with maybe a few brief spikes of higher end play here and there (Bernier, Dubnyk, Lehtonen, Ward)
- 16 guys who were at best backup quality

That is not a great batting average.

Sure, it seems like Askarov has a lot more buzz than most of the other guys on that list, but at the same time I do not have a particularly high confidence level in the hockey scouting community’s ability to accurately predict the long-term NHL performance of teenaged goaltenders.
- Sven22

Very well researched, Goalies are rarely taken in the 1st round because of stats like this and almost as uncommon in the 2nd round. Goalies take a lot longer to mature, that's why they in most cases do not work out as true NHL elites. Trevor Kidd was drafted 11th overall then Marty Brodeur was drafted 20th overall.....Nuf Said.
How many 1st round picks playing forward were busts....lots. The draft is no guarantee for any position

I think Askarov would go earlier than 13. But, I believe that Carolina would be interested and Buffalo could be interested in trading #8 for #13 and a prospect Center like Necas or Suzuki.

I think Askarov would go earlier than 13. But, I believe that Carolina would be interested and Buffalo could be interested in trading #8 for #13 and a prospect Center like Necas or Suzuki.
- G - Man

most move downs of 4-7 spots in round one are for an additional 2nd round pick. What makes you think buffalo would get more?

If Perfetti, Rossi or Lundell are not there for winnipeg. I can see them moving down to acquire an additional 2nd

Any rumors of Malkin to the Hawks and Toews to the Kings?

Is it Askarov? Or Acekarov? He's Russian so he'll want to be The Man. Or the Ace.



Ek is the Ace of Trades...

https://youtu.be/pWB5JZRGl0U
- gergeswillems

This is awful. One of the worst posts on here I’ve ever seen 🤦🏻‍♂️

I could see Ottawa trading down a few spots and taking him. I think he could be the best player in this draft

This is awful. One of the worst posts on here I’ve ever seen 🤦🏻‍♂️
- BringNYIhome

You only need to read your own posts for that.

I could see Ottawa trading down a few spots and taking him. I think he could be the best player in this draft
- BringNYIhome

You're clueless. Hardly surprising coming from you.

I could see Ottawa trading down a few spots and taking him. I think he could be the best player in this draft
- BringNYIhome

Ottawa really needs top end talent in their prospect pool. They have a lot of good prospects, and already have 4 second rounders this year and 3 next year.

I'd be surprised if they traded down with such a great opportunity at 3 and 5 this year.

Ottawa really needs top end talent in their prospect pool. They have a lot of good prospects, and already have 4 second rounders this year and 3 next year.

I'd be surprised if they traded down with such a great opportunity at 3 and 5 this year.
- david22

Drafting 3 and 5 specifically in this draft is a shot in the arm of a franchise rebuild. Were looking at a draft potentially similar to that of 2003 and, along with 2015, may usher in the next generation of this leagues superstars.

Here is every goalie drafted in the first round in the last 20 years.

Spencer Knight
Jake Oettinger
Ilya Samsonov
Andrei Vasilevskiy
Malcolm Subban
Jack Campbell
Mark Visentin
Chet Pickard
Tom McCollum
Jonathan Bernier
Riku Helenius
Semyon Varlamov
Leland Irving
Carey Price
Tukka Rask
Al Montoya
Devan Dubnyk
Marek Schwarz
Cory Schneider
Marc-Andre Fleury
Kari Lehtonen
Cam Ward
Hannu Toivanen
Pascal Leclaire
Dan Blackburn
Jason Bacashihua
Adam Munro
Rick DiPietro
Brent Krahn

Jury’s still out on the youngest three, but out of the other 26, I count maybe:

- 3 consistently elite starters (Vasilevskiy, Price, Rask)
- 3 very good to occasionally great starters (Fleury, Schneider, Varlamov)
- 4 respectably competent NHL goaltenders with maybe a few brief spikes of higher end play here and there (Bernier, Dubnyk, Lehtonen, Ward)
- 16 guys who were at best backup quality

That is not a great batting average.

Sure, it seems like Askarov has a lot more buzz than most of the other guys on that list, but at the same time I do not have a particularly high confidence level in the hockey scouting community’s ability to accurately predict the long-term NHL performance of teenaged goaltenders.
- Sven22

Other than maybe bumping up MAF, but that’s rather pedantic and frankly I’m not his biggest fan as he helped Pitt win Cups, I totally agree with you. Goalies in the 1st are a risk, and they take years And years of grooming. If you want a guy fresh out of the box, and this particular draft looks full of them, you don’t look at a goalie.

The teams who can groom a goalie in the first already will be picking towards the bottom, and they have a netminder for now. Meanwhile the teams picking up top should be focusing on all these potential stud forwards and defensemen out there.

Carolina’s window is opening fast. Really fast. Askarov might be good for them, but they should honestly go for one of these FAs that can be had immediately.

Jersey has Blackwood, and they’ve put time into this up-and-comer. Askarov would be starting anew.

For this reason, I could see Askarov slide to the 2nd round. At that point, teams will be frothing over him. He’ll be a great get there. Then I could see Carolina, Toronto, or a myriad of other franchises decide that this is the time to strike.

Perfectly fine franchise goalies are found in other rounds.

Even if Askarov gets picked up in round 1, he won’t play this year, and I’m willing to bet Two other rookies (technically) in Shesty or Sorokin are better even if Askarov does get a shot. Why? Because they had time to mature!

I’m really not sure any team up top can afford to miss out at the high profiled rookies where they sit, and I’m not sure how many teams at the bottom want to use their #1 when they already have an established goaltender.

Askarov falls to early 2nd round where he belongs.