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Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 16 @ 2:08 PM ET
"One measure of effectiveness as a head coach is looking at gross numbers, i.e. statistics and standings. His overall record as an NHL bench boss is 62-58-17 with 30-28-9 last season (6th place in the Central Division) and 32-30-8 this season (7th in the division)."

I wonder what his record breakdown is when he wears glasses versus doesn't wear glasses, or when he is clean shaven versus supporting that 2 day growth.

- boilermaker100

I remember seeing an article where someone did track his record with and without glasses.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 16 @ 2:09 PM ET
I'm with you there. In time we should see a progression in 2-3 years as the veterans move out and prospects come in.

The capacity to flip the ice and play a stronger transition game should come as the prospects learn how to play all zones effectively, contest every puck, and make quick exits out of the zone whether skating it out or feathering a crisp pass.

Let them develop in the appropriate place which is Rockford for most of them. Marinate and call them up when ripe.

- Theo Fox

A crisp pass to a forward in position to receive it and do something positive - like another quick pass to get the transition going.

Forwards are as responsible for this as the defensemen are.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 2:11 PM ET
Interesting passage from the Detroit blogger Jeremy Laura:

In the past 2 days, I’ve spent several (too many) hours trying to scour for any real indicator on what the NHL revenues are looking like as the playoffs wind down. Basically, any quotes you find read like an injury report. You either find nothing, or someone saying “unfit to play”. you will find some interesting glimpses in this CBC article. In general, GMs seem to be saying, “buckle up. Everyone is going to take a hit.” Players seem to be a bit more optimistic with “yeah, it won’t be like I thought it would (free agency) but we’ll figure it out. At this point 17 teams have made cuts with salary and/or personnel. Ottawa got in a bit of trouble for slashing coaching salaries by 50%. The league stepped in and that was amended. Interestingly, Detroit hasn’t made any significant changes.

So, why would someone with chronic headaches and issues spend so much time pouring over numbers? I’m trying to develop a thermometer. Some sort of reading on what “reality” will look like in a couple weeks. In my past life of outside sales, understanding numbers and environmental factors helped to make projections that you would pass on to managers and VPs. If you were going to say, “we’re going to be short this month” you’d better have a darn good reason. Looking at the big picture, GMs are going to be scrambling up until draft day and beyond. One team representative (anonymous of course) feels that more RFAs than usual will go unqualified. The indicator may be that salaries will need to be below a players qualifier.

I agree with most (if not all) of this. That being the case, I think Stan gets to play a bit of hardball (and they will likely go with several shorter term deals).

I think they get Corey at (or very close to) what they offered.
I think they simply qualify Strome as he is not arbitration eligible (although, I still think they should trade him).
Kubalik gets 2 years max
Caggiula (I believe) is gone - unfortunately
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 16 @ 2:12 PM ET
I hope Marc Crawford is not with the team next season. The guy should’ve been kicked out of the league along with Todd Bertuzzi back in 2004. He’s garbage as far as I’m concerned, and the team should be embarrassed to Have him in their employ. I’m kinda shocked The Meddler allowed the hire to begin with.
- Ogilthorpe2

Just a theory to answer your question posed at the end of your post:

A reason why the Blackhawks hired him may be the same reason why they didn't kick him to the curb after it came out in late 2019 that he kicked a player (Sean Avery?) on the bench during a game. Hawks brass possibly felt he genuinely grew from past transgressions.

Just a hypothesis. Everyone is free to have different opinions of Crawford or Colliton or whoever.
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 16 @ 2:13 PM ET
A crisp pass to a forward in position to receive it and do something positive - like another quick pass to get the transition going.

Forwards are as responsible for this as the defensemen are.

- StLBravesFan

ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 16 @ 2:16 PM ET
If Caggulia leaves, maybe see if they can bring in Kyle Clifford? Saw on the Score app that he is heading to free agency
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 2:29 PM ET
If Caggulia leaves, maybe see if they can bring in Kyle Clifford? Saw on the Score app that he is heading to free agency
- ikeane


Could be, but don't the Hawks already have a guy like him in Quenneville? Clifford's high water mark for points is 21, and his average is the low teens. He's a big guy who plays heavy, but doesn't really generate much by himself.
Tatoo
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Montreal, QC
Joined: 12.17.2016

Sep 16 @ 2:56 PM ET
Don't like the coach and or his system.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 3:00 PM ET
Don't like the coach and or his system.
- Tatoo


Whose system do you like?
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Sep 16 @ 3:19 PM ET
If Caggulia leaves, maybe see if they can bring in Kyle Clifford? Saw on the Score app that he is heading to free agency
- ikeane

Pass a lot if miles on Clifford rather get younger than older also think leafs bring him back somehow. Still think hawks should go after greenway miles wood or josh Anderson on of those three players in the bottom six would help. Or Chandler Stevenson from vegas size speed has some physically to his game plus can play center and wing.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 16 @ 3:20 PM ET
I hope Marc Crawford is not with the team next season. The guy should’ve been kicked out of the league along with Todd Bertuzzi back in 2004. Better to not have Colliton learn anything from that bumhole. He’s garbage as far as I’m concerned, and the team should be embarrassed to Have him in their employ. I’m kinda shocked The Meddler allowed the hire to begin with.
- Ogilthorpe2

I tend to agree that if we're depending on Marc Crawford we're in bigger trouble than we think.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 3:22 PM ET
Just for poops and laughs, considering what is on the roster right now, what does everyone (anyone) think about the following:

ADB-Toews-Kane
Saad-Dach-Kubalik
Suter-Strome-Nylander
Highmore-Kampf-Carpenter

Toews and ADB put up a bunch of points together with Kahun a couple years ago.
Dach's line would be the powerful, all-purpose option
I would prefer someone other than Strome to C the 3rd, but overall not terrible. Suter has a quite good all around game to cover for the other two.
and the 4th is the 4th.

I just think Dach centering a more powerful line would be better for his development and the team overall.
kmw4631
Location: CHICAGO
Joined: 02.27.2015

Sep 16 @ 3:25 PM ET
Alex Galchenyuk
Position: C • Shoots: Left

6-1, 207lb (185cm, 93kg)

he might be a guy to look at if we ended up with a few million in cap space. MINN looks to be walking away from him as a UFA. they gave out his number already to a 3/4 line center.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Sep 16 @ 3:28 PM ET
Theo once again this is some fantastic writing , with lots of facts and examples.


While some people will applaud JC for his perceived mentality of pushing a youth movement, and we should give him more time . I guess my question would be did rocky and stan somehow believe Chicago was truly capable of another cup and after firing coach Q and hiring JC a simple offseason to have a full training camp bring in some fresh faces and chicago is on it's way back to contention? Maybe ,


My guess is with Chicago and the nhl having to deal with the upheaval of the nhl salary cap and future along with a search for a new Team President, JC is probably safe because in all honesty Chicago isn't a playoff team , the core has to many miles on them to carry this team as they did in years past , now it's more of seeing who develops and grows while waiting out the next 3 years of cap hell. No experienced coach imo would want to come to Chicago and be expected to win with this team.

JC record is truly awful if we judge him by his winning results he doesn't show the necessary knowledge to implement a system based on his players talent or lack of talent , his decisions many times lead people to question him more often than not.


For that reason I feel they just settle on JC because its low PR risk and weather the next 3 years
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 3:29 PM ET
Alex Galchenyuk
Position: C • Shoots: Left

6-1, 207lb (185cm, 93kg)

he might be a guy to look at if we ended up with a few million in cap space. MINN looks to be walking away from him as a UFA. they gave out his number already to a 3/4 line center.

- kmw4631


Does he actually play center, or is that just what he is listed at? I thought he always played wing.

If he is a center, I'd take him as a replacement for Strome as long as you can get him at similar dollars. At least he is a better skater.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 3:34 PM ET
Theo once again this is some fantastic writing , with lots of facts and examples.


While some people will applaud JC for his perceived mentality of pushing a youth movement, and we should give him more time . I guess my question would be did rocky and stan somehow believe Chicago was truly capable of another cup and after firing coach Q and hiring JC a simple offseason to have a full training camp bring in some fresh faces and chicago is on it's way back to contention? Maybe ,


My guess is with Chicago and the nhl having to deal with the upheaval of the nhl salary cap and future along with a search for a new Team President, JC is probably safe because in all honesty Chicago isn't a playoff team , the core has to many miles on them to carry this team as they did in years past , now it's more of seeing who develops and grows while waiting out the next 3 years of cap hell. No experienced coach imo would want to come to Chicago and be expected to win with this team.

JC record is truly awful if we judge him by his winning results he doesn't show the necessary knowledge to implement a system based on his players talent or lack of talent , his decisions many times lead people to question him more often than not.


For that reason I feel they just settle on JC because its low PR risk and weather the next 3 years

- Taylorst1


JC is under only under contract for next year. There is NO upside to extending him now. Make him earn the next contract. They are barely paying him as it is, he's likely not going to command a bunch more even if he gets to the playoffs.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 16 @ 3:35 PM ET
Pass a lot if miles on Clifford rather get younger than older also think leafs bring him back somehow. Still think hawks should go after greenway miles wood or josh Anderson on of those three players in the bottom six would help. Or Chandler Stevenson from vegas size speed has some physically to his game plus can play center and wing.
- Scott1977


All nice players, that I think are just as valued by the clubs they are on. I can't see the Hawks being able to make a trade that would bring any of them to Chicago.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Sep 16 @ 3:47 PM ET
JC is under only under contract for next year. There is NO upside to extending him now. Make him earn the next contract. They are barely paying him as it is, he's likely not going to command a bunch more even if he gets to the playoffs.
- Chunk



While I agree with you, it sounds like Chicago is intent on extending his contract from what I've read. My theory and it's only a opinion, but looking at Chicago's salary cap issues , lack of depth unproven youth and many areas to address including their netminder for the future , also the market with head coaches available, who can honestly say Chicago by going out finding a new head coach will magically make them a playoff team.

That's why I think JC is just a placeholder with low expectations and getting into a cap friendly position.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 16 @ 3:51 PM ET
Theo once again this is some fantastic writing , with lots of facts and examples.


While some people will applaud JC for his perceived mentality of pushing a youth movement, and we should give him more time . I guess my question would be did rocky and stan somehow believe Chicago was truly capable of another cup and after firing coach Q and hiring JC a simple offseason to have a full training camp bring in some fresh faces and chicago is on it's way back to contention? Maybe ,


My guess is with Chicago and the nhl having to deal with the upheaval of the nhl salary cap and future along with a search for a new Team President, JC is probably safe because in all honesty Chicago isn't a playoff team , the core has to many miles on them to carry this team as they did in years past , now it's more of seeing who develops and grows while waiting out the next 3 years of cap hell. No experienced coach imo would want to come to Chicago and be expected to win with this team.

JC record is truly awful if we judge him by his winning results he doesn't show the necessary knowledge to implement a system based on his players talent or lack of talent , his decisions many times lead people to question him more often than not.


For that reason I feel they just settle on JC because its low PR risk and weather the next 3 years

- Taylorst1


In paragraph 3, upi say no experience coach would want to come to Chicago and expect to win with this team, and the next paragraph you knock Colliton because his win/loss record is not satisfactory? I know you hate JC, but you rebut your argument with your paragraph of how the Hawks are not good enough.

Do you think JC is the only coach to make questionable decisions? How about Q playing Brandon Bollig in the first 2 games against Boston in the finals in 2013?


How about Q benching Vermette and Terravanin in the semi's in game 3 against Anaheim?

I can go on, but all coaches make personnel decisions on who plays and who doesn't all the time that the fan base doesn't like.
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Sep 16 @ 4:01 PM ET
JC may be the nicest guy in the world, but he has a long history of losing.

Finished 6th or 7th in 3 of his 4 years in Sweden’s Tier 2 league. In his last year, they finished 1st and were promoted to Tier 1.

In his only year in Rockford, 4th in the Central. He rode hot goaltending, and some guys the Blackhawks sent down, to the Conference final, where they lost.

In Chicago, he’s finished 6th & 7th in the Central.

So, his only successful season as a HC was his last year in a Tier 2 Swedish league.

That’s not much of a resume.

And, BTW, in his 3 years in NA, his teams have all been in the bottom half of league GAA.
Abadseed
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Arlington hts, IL
Joined: 01.20.2014

Sep 16 @ 4:02 PM ET
Pass a lot if miles on Clifford rather get younger than older also think leafs bring him back somehow. Still think hawks should go after greenway miles wood or josh Anderson on of those three players in the bottom six would help. Or Chandler Stevenson from vegas size speed has some physically to his game plus can play center and wing.
- Scott1977


Well all but miles wood are rfas maybe a trade could be had for Strome or maata?
scottak
Location: I am serious. And don't call me Shirley!
Joined: 08.06.2010

Sep 16 @ 4:07 PM ET
In paragraph 3, upi say no experience coach would want to come to Chicago and expect to win with this team, and the next paragraph you knock Colliton because his win/loss record is not satisfactory? I know you hate JC, but you rebut your argument with your paragraph of how the Hawks are not good enough.

Do you think JC is the only coach to make questionable decisions? How about Q playing Brandon Bollig in the first 2 games against Boston in the finals in 2013?


How about Q benching Vermette and Terravanin in the semi's in game 3 against Anaheim?

I can go on, but all coaches make personnel decisions on who plays and who doesn't all the time that the fan base doesn't like.

- LAHawk

As I recall, the Blackhawks beat Boston in 2013. And they also beat ANA in the series you reference. Are you saying the Hawks won despite Q?

Just because fans don’t like decisions, they may still be the correct one. Results matter.
Taylorst1
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 07.09.2018

Sep 16 @ 4:07 PM ET
In paragraph 3, upi say no experience coach would want to come to Chicago and expect to win with this team, and the next paragraph you knock Colliton because his win/loss record is not satisfactory? I know you hate JC, but you rebut your argument with your paragraph of how the Hawks are not good enough.

Do you think JC is the only coach to make questionable decisions? How about Q playing Brandon Bollig in the first 2 games against Boston in the finals in 2013?


How about Q benching Vermette and Terravanin in the semi's in game 3 against Anaheim?

I can go on, but all coaches make personnel decisions on who plays and who doesn't all the time that the fan base doesn't like.

- LAHawk



Let me tackle your point regarding coach Q , sure all coaches make some mistakes or questionable decisions, however comparing JC and Coach Q who is a HOF coach who had amassed a amazing win loss record multiple cups his team achieved is a insult .

Now your other point both statements can be true , Chicago lacks some talent we all agree , but Chicago also has some talent that imo JC is not using a system to benefit his teams strengths and cover its weaknesses, that comes from having the ability as a coach to be willing to adjust
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Sep 16 @ 4:13 PM ET
All nice players, that I think are just as valued by the clubs they are on. I can't see the Hawks being able to make a trade that would bring any of them to Chicago.
- LAHawk

I bring those names up because those are the type of players hawks need each one is different type of player. And yes Anderson is coming off a major shoulder injury but i still take a chance on him. Maybe a strome for Anderson and stenlund as base of a trade.
Scott1977
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Sep 16 @ 4:16 PM ET
Just for poops and laughs, considering what is on the roster right now, what does everyone (anyone) think about the following:

ADB-Toews-Kane
Saad-Dach-Kubalik
Suter-Strome-Nylander
Highmore-Kampf-Carpenter

Toews and ADB put up a bunch of points together with Kahun a couple years ago.
Dach's line would be the powerful, all-purpose option
I would prefer someone other than Strome to C the 3rd, but overall not terrible. Suter has a quite good all around game to cover for the other two.
and the 4th is the 4th.

I just think Dach centering a more powerful line would be better for his development and the team overall.

- Chunk

Not a playoff team with those lines bascially swaping suter for Caggulia othewise its more of the same. The roster needs in imo some significant changes not a major overhaul imo.
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