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Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Sep 16 @ 7:57 PM ET
Other GMs are making moves and Stan keeps napping.
- DarthKane


He is working on a Kubalik for Manning trade as we speak.
Scott1977
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Sep 16 @ 8:01 PM ET
He is working on a Kubalik for Manning trade as we speak.
- Chunk

Ha thats a good one
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 16 @ 8:06 PM ET
Oh boy.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Sep 16 @ 8:07 PM ET
No, it was Mike Smith that drafted Keith, Seabrook, burish, Byfuglien , Crawford, Pulford was the GM when they drafted Bolland, Bickell, and Brower.
- LAHawk

i applaud the effort but let's be real here. He has 3 points and they all revolve around his faulty memories of the days gone by,
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 16 @ 9:15 PM ET
Seeing a rumor that Dumba is being shopped for a center with possible options being Domi, Danault, or Monahan.
- Theo Fox

How about Strome
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
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Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 16 @ 9:17 PM ET
i applaud the effort but let's be real here. He has 3 points and they all revolve around his faulty memories of the days gone by,
- Elbows15

He’s a troll.

Nobody is that dumb....except maybe our president.
Ogilthorpe2
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 37,000 FT
Joined: 07.09.2009

Sep 16 @ 9:20 PM ET
Good night everybody!
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Sep 16 @ 10:14 PM ET
How about Strome
- Ogilthorpe2

We wish...
jhawk59
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.15.2013

Sep 17 @ 12:21 AM ET
We wish...
- Angotti


Don't assume like I have been that Strome's limitations ultimately will cost him a job. In past seasons the cumulative affect in his slow skating, lack of defensive assistance, and lack of a boards game could be offset by scoring exploits. When playing with DeBrincat this was his meal ticket

Let's wait and see if Strome makes inroads on any of the negative talking points above. If he reads the economic landscape in the NHL next season, his fortune lies in adding to his game. I doubt that he changes but wait and see
Theo Fox
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.18.2016

Sep 17 @ 1:31 AM ET
The Hawks have tons of depth. It is just mediocre. They have some unproven youth and some proven. As they all grow they will round into better players.

I expect Suter to be a vast improvement over Nylander.
I expect ADB will return to form (even if rpeters1 trades him).
I expect Dach will make a significant leap next year.
I expect Boqvist to have more confidence to unleash his offense next year.

The Hawks aren't barren. We all have to stop thinking that this is a team in the mold of the 2010, 13, 15 teams. The next championship team will likely look and perform different than they did.

- Chunk

I wanted to get back to your comment, particularly the bolded part. That is key to moving on so the team can win in a new era.

Yes, some of the core may still be around and contribute to a new Cup drive but trying to rebuild the team in the same mold as the 2010/13/15 teams is just going to lead to disappointment.

I know many still criticize Hawks management which is fair on many levels. Yet, I actually do like their new direction for youth and innovation. That new direction also includes not looking to the past but having eyes to the future.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Sep 17 @ 7:25 AM ET
How about Strome
- Ogilthorpe2


Ha! That was the first thing I thought of.

I'm not at a place where I've completely given up on Strome. We'll see what happens but unless something physically changes with his game (skating or adds a bit of strength), like most, I don't see him as an ideal 3C.
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 17 @ 8:03 AM ET
Wondering if the Sorokin rumors may bear fruit this off-season. Seems to be a trade Stan could pursue. Not sure what he would send to the Islanders
boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Sep 17 @ 8:50 AM ET
Wondering if the Sorokin rumors may bear fruit this off-season. Seems to be a trade Stan could pursue. Not sure what he would send to the Islanders
- ikeane


Someone recently linked to an article that mentioned the NYI upcoming cap woes.
I wonder if the Isles decide to trade Sorokin, a bad contract like Ladd's would be part of the package. If that's the case, a definite no on a Hawks Sorokin trade
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 10:34 AM ET
HABs GM came out with the 4 players that are untouchable. the last one was the 38 pick in the 2018 draft and it mentioned he was #10 in the top 100 ranking of prospects. russian d men alexander romanov. it was our pick in the 2018 draft from the danult trade.
- kmw4631


I wouldn't dwell on the past or that Romanov is some high end emerging talent, because he will do well, maybe, but , in my humble opinion he is not an I'm pact guy.
The Habs had a guy that could project as that in the future but they traded him to Tampa...
ikeane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Jacksonville, FL
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 17 @ 11:06 AM ET
Someone recently linked to an article that mentioned the NYI upcoming cap woes.
I wonder if the Isles decide to trade Sorokin, a bad contract like Ladd's would be part of the package. If that's the case, a definite no on a Hawks Sorokin trade

- boilermaker100


We can take Clutterbuck, haha
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 11:07 AM ET
How about Strome
- Ogilthorpe2



Wishful thinking.that he is all it would take.
( I know you were funning')

But teams aren't just letting top six centres depart for defenseman looking for be pay hikes.

And though he is not all that big, teams WILL get into a bidding war for Dumba.

I am more curious about of Askarov goes to the Hurricanes at #13, before that or lingers....and who selects him.

I am getting an itchy trigger finger on my mock, because as I said for mouths, Jake Sanderson is of equal value as Drysdale, and both will get selected earlier than probably is advisable and good forwards will slip.
I am so curious about what the top ten shakes out to be...where we WOULD have selected (Let it go!)
I am more curious if the emerging interested in Braden Schneider & Kaiden Guhle is gonna push them into surprisingly high spots were they get their names called.

We should have a gambling pool where we all try and guess in what slots these alphabetically listed draft prospects will be taken.

I just think no mock draft list out there is one you can gauge where they get selected who goes first second...

I have heard everything from Dylan Holloway being called the possible biggest bust, Reichel giving NHL teams chubbies, teams realizing the Russian Amrov is worth the wait, etc.
It all is internet chatter.
so I guess I already have my tent pole in the ground on these guys on DraftSite.

Maybe Theo can make this a topic at a later date (or not), so I domino start polution here.
I just think we all will have a good chance to be close to where they get picked because never was I so torn on some really good players...the number in parenthesis is where I presently have them on the site, all in that big 20 that I also said months ago would be were the next tier drop would come.

Rodion Amirov (21) Becasue he is Rus
Seth Jarvis (18) B/c of his lack of girth
Anton Lundell. (9). b/c he IS really solid and pretty much a salary cap holder
Dawson Mercer(11) b/c fall in love with "others."
Lukas Reichel. (19) B/c he is legacy
Jack Quinn. (14) B/c he doesn't drive the play

(I didn't didn't include Hendrix Lapierre, because like Peyton Krebs in a past draft was in free fall because of an injury and you just dont know enough about team draft boards, medical reports to even venture a "educated" guess.)
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 11:18 AM ET
Alex Galchenyuk
Position: C • Shoots: Left

6-1, 207lb (185cm, 93kg)

he might be a guy to look at if we ended up with a few million in cap space. MINN looks to be walking away from him as a UFA. they gave out his number already to a 3/4 line center.

- kmw4631


Hmmm, lived for a long time with is family In Milwaukee, has had numerous auditions playing with really good players (the same way many her protested the use of Alex Nylander with good players to get the lights to turn on), and he keeps getting passed around.

I really dont think they are bring guys in, or at least not unless there is an obvious NEED, that the NHL club is truly MISSING the ingredient they possess....so I am trying to figure out with him what that ingredient is.

These pro teams are not really making the $ they desire, so I think they pump their brakes, where we as fans want to spend, trade, attempt things to enhance success but the owners may be thinking "Let's just get threw this as frugally as possible.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 11:19 AM ET
Interesting passage from the Detroit blogger Jeremy Laura:

In the past 2 days, I’ve spent several (too many) hours trying to scour for any real indicator on what the NHL revenues are looking like as the playoffs wind down. Basically, any quotes you find read like an injury report. You either find nothing, or someone saying “unfit to play”. you will find some interesting glimpses in this CBC article. In general, GMs seem to be saying, “buckle up. Everyone is going to take a hit.” Players seem to be a bit more optimistic with “yeah, it won’t be like I thought it would (free agency) but we’ll figure it out. At this point 17 teams have made cuts with salary and/or personnel. Ottawa got in a bit of trouble for slashing coaching salaries by 50%. The league stepped in and that was amended. Interestingly, Detroit hasn’t made any significant changes.

So, why would someone with chronic headaches and issues spend so much time pouring over numbers? I’m trying to develop a thermometer. Some sort of reading on what “reality” will look like in a couple weeks. In my past life of outside sales, understanding numbers and environmental factors helped to make projections that you would pass on to managers and VPs. If you were going to say, “we’re going to be short this month” you’d better have a darn good reason. Looking at the big picture, GMs are going to be scrambling up until draft day and beyond. One team representative (anonymous of course) feels that more RFAs than usual will go unqualified. The indicator may be that salaries will need to be below a players qualifier.

I agree with most (if not all) of this. That being the case, I think Stan gets to play a bit of hardball (and they will likely go with several shorter term deals).

I think they get Corey at (or very close to) what they offered.
I think they simply qualify Strome as he is not arbitration eligible (although, I still think they should trade him).
Kubalik gets 2 years max
Caggiula (I believe) is gone - unfortunately

- Chunk


Reality Bites
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 17 @ 11:21 AM ET
I wanted to get back to your comment, particularly the bolded part. That is key to moving on so the team can win in a new era.

Yes, some of the core may still be around and contribute to a new Cup drive but trying to rebuild the team in the same mold as the 2010/13/15 teams is just going to lead to disappointment.

I know many still criticize Hawks management which is fair on many levels. Yet, I actually do like their new direction for youth and innovation. That new direction also includes not looking to the past but having eyes to the future.

- Theo Fox

We haven't had a player like Dach that I can remember since Phil Esposito?
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Sep 17 @ 11:21 AM ET
Wishful thinking.that he is all it would take.
( I know you were funning')

But teams aren't just letting top six centres depart for defenseman looking for be pay hikes.

And though he is not all that big, teams WILL get into a bidding war for Dumba.

I am more curious about of Askarov goes to the Hurricanes at #13, before that or lingers....and who selects him.

I am getting an itchy trigger finger on my mock, because as I said for mouths, Jake Sanderson is of equal value as Drysdale, and both will get selected earlier than probably is advisable and good forwards will slip.
I am so curious about what the top ten shakes out to be...where we WOULD have selected (Let it go!)
I am more curious if the emerging interested in Braden Schneider & Kaiden Guhle is gonna push them into surprisingly high spots were they get their names called.

We should have a gambling pool where we all try and guess in what slots these alphabetically listed draft prospects will be taken.

I just think no mock draft list out there is one you can gauge where they get selected who goes first second...

I have heard everything from Dylan Holloway being called the possible biggest bust, Reichel giving NHL teams chubbies, teams realizing the Russian Amrov is worth the wait, etc.
It all is internet chatter.
so I guess I already have my tent pole in the ground on these guys on DraftSite.

Maybe Theo can make this a topic at a later date (or not), so I domino start polution here.
I just think we all will have a good chance to be close to where they get picked because never was I so torn on some really good players...the number in parenthesis is where I presently have them on the site, all in that big 20 that I also said months ago would be were the next tier drop would come.

Rodion Amirov (21) Becasue he is Rus
Seth Jarvis (18) B/c of his lack of girth
Anton Lundell. (9). b/c he IS really solid and pretty much a solid Cap
Dawson Mercer(11) b/c fall in love with "others."
Lukas Reichel. (19) B/c he is legacy
Jack Quinn. (14) B/c he doesn't drive the play

(I didn't didn't include Hendrix Lapierre, because like Peyton Krebs in a past draft was in free fall because of an injury and you just dont know enough about team draft boards, medical reports to even venture a "educated" guess.)

- wiz1901


Was wondering your thought Wiz on Lapierre as a sleper pick for the Hawks at #17?
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 17 @ 11:28 AM ET
Hmmm, lived for a long time with is family In Milwaukee, has had numerous auditions playing with really good players (the same way many her protested the use of Alex Nylander with good players to get the lights to turn on), and he keeps getting passed around.

I really dont think they are bring guys in, or at least not unless there is an obvious NEED, that the NHL club is truly MISSING the ingredient they possess....so I am trying to figure out with him what that ingredient is.

These pro teams are not really making the $ they desire, so I think they pump their brakes, where we as fans want to spend, trade, attempt things to enhance success but the owners may be thinking "Let's just get threw this as frugally as possible.

- wiz1901

Totally agree that's where owner's head's are. I'm very surprised there have been a couple cap bailout trades. As I've been vocal on the board I don't see anyone using cap space for the benefit of another team unless the trade is totally lopsided and so far I have not heard that?
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 11:29 AM ET
And lard ass didn't come up with the big save when they needed it. And it wasn't like he was bombarded with shots.
- LAHawk



Yeah, if I was part of the Vegas Brin just, I would be advocating looking t all options before paying fatass fro success after they failed a team, and his resigning is basically a bigger Theo Fluery re-assignment headache.

Maybe I am incorrect but this team would be adding Lehner, and subtracting a player and maybe a draft pick to subtract Theo and add a lesser light sub...

Although THIS will happen on many teams (subtractions that on paper look like the team is backsliding) it seems like the Knights core is good and there are plenty of guys you could get to fill in a rotation with Theo and not jump on the "bargain" 5 mil price tag of Lehner.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 17 @ 11:34 AM ET
All of us know the Hawks certainly have holes to fill, and better players will of course make the coach look better too. But there are coaches in the league, and there have been others coaches over the years, that have that ability to get more out of less talen. Unfortuneately, Colliton is definately not one of the coaches. Don't know who is responsible for the power play, but let's take that aspect of the game as smaller example of the team performance. The Hawks, "on paper" have plenty of talent on the powerplay ... certainly more than many teams. But every year there is this lack of production on the powerplay. That part of the game should be better, based on the talent that is on the ice. I think you can attribute that to coaching. There are teams that do not have "number one defensemen" or "number one center" but some how their coach gets them to play as a unit and balances the lineup.
- chuckdahammer

Power play sucked even when we were winning cups.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sep 17 @ 11:35 AM ET
Was wondering your thought Wiz on Lapierre as a sleper pick for the Hawks at #17?
- LAHawk



On my board I have his as the Francophone consolation prize substitute in Montreal for not getting Alexis Lafrenière, even though in the team draft analysis I am writing I have stated big wingers are where they need to restock....not sure Hendrix qualifies a s a centre who can be move to wing, not that he is a piece of China, he is better with the puck on his stick fearless driving the play and using his wingers.
There was time when he was in slot seven on my list....

https://www.draftsite.com/nhl/montreal/54/2020/
rpeters01
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Joined: 07.09.2016

Sep 17 @ 11:43 AM ET
I'm not trying to be a pud, but I don't follow any of what you are saying here.

My only contention was that JC is signed for one more year and that I thought there was zero upside extending him before he proves that he is worth it.

You then lay out all of the problems facing the Hawks (and 90% of the rest of the league) and say that getting a new coach won't help, and - per your previous post - no coach worth a darn would want to come to them anyway.

The Hawks have tons of depth. It is just mediocre. They have some unproven youth and some proven. As they all grow they will round into better players.

I expect Suter to be a vast improvement over Nylander.
I expect ADB will return to form (even if rpeters1 trades him).
I expect Dach will make a significant leap next year.
I expect Boqvist to have more confidence to unleash his offense next year.

The Hawks aren't barren. We all have to stop thinking that this is a team in the mold of the 2010, 13, 15 teams. The next championship team will likely look and perform different than they did.

As far as the coach goes, I guess I agree with you that it really doesn't matter a ton right now who the coach is. I'm not enamored with Colliton (especially after the substitutions he made during the playoffs), but I also don't think he is the main culprit for their struggles. They just have a lot of mismatched pieces. You have the vet core that really is just trying for one more kick at the can. You have some mediocre journeymen, and a ton of youth. That does not spell a consistent team.

- Chunk

Yeah he's right about me... I also agree as long as the big two Toews and Kane are here Hawks are not all in rebuilding.
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