Yeah RFA
Myers
Patrick
Hgg
NAK

Yes, they will be able to sign them. But they may need to bridge Myers so they can bring back a UFA or two. They will have to sign a goalie. Both Moose and Lyon’s contracts are up. Think Lyon is a RFA if I remember Bill's blog correctly.
- peesinwind

Then you bridge him if need be. Patrick and NAK i don't pay one penny more than what they rules are. You tell Elliot 1 year 1 million. He doesnt like it he can retire. Lyon will get less than 1 million. Myers dont even want to guess. I think they will overpay for hagg

The 2.5M for buyouts now for MacDonald and Schlemko are hurting the flexibility now. Rob peter to pay paul.
- MJL

I agree. Unncessary to buy out either player. Regardless of it you could predict the pandemic or not. AMac's contract was already bad enough. Extending it an extra year was just stupid.

I agree. Unncessary to buy out either player. Regardless of it you could predict the pandemic or not. AMac's contract was already bad enough. Extending it an extra was just stupid.
- mickel25

Did it occur to you that maybe just maybe they wanted andy mac gone. Out of the way so they can move forward? Tired of his stink on the backend?

Do you think Niskannen and Braun had a positive effect on the young dman and allowed them to ease into it a little more? Do you think they helped them in ways that may not show up on the ice?

Myers has played one NHL season. I don't see how he can be a candidate for a long term deal. Maybe a 5 year deal if he takes a real team friendly cap hit.
- MJL

Correct. But he did play solid 2nd pairing minutes. I think the kid showed a ton of promise. If they wanted to gamble on him to sign him longer term then a bridge it is my opinion that I think it would be a better bargain then going the Sanheim route. I just think Myers is going to be a very solid NHL D man for several years.

I agree. Unncessary to buy out either player. Regardless of it you could predict the pandemic or not. AMac's contract was already bad enough. Extending it an extra year was just stupid.
- mickel25

Both moves were made to bring in Braun. Can we really say it was worth it for one year? I mean if you needed a RH veteran defenseman to shore up the D core for a legit Cup run, then okay. I didn't like it when it was made and I don't like it now. The other side of the coin is that maybe it's a good thing they have limited cap space. Please no UFA spending other than minor short term.

Both moves were made to bring in Braun. Can we really say it was worth it for one year? I mean if you needed a RH veteran defenseman to shore up the D core for a legit Cup run, then okay. I didn't like it when it was made and I don't like it now. The other side of the coin is that maybe it's a good thing they have limited cap space. Please no UFA spending other than minor short term.
- MJL

Can you say it wasn't worth it? Of course you can though that is just your opinion as you have zero insight to the effect it had on the young dman on and off the ice.

Then you bridge him if need be. Patrick and NAK i don't pay one penny more than what they rules are. You tell Elliot 1 year 1 million. He doesnt like it he can retire. Lyon will get less than 1 million. Myers dont even want to guess. I think they will overpay for hagg
- login

I don’t know I would feel Lyon is a guy I want backing Hart up. I like him right where he is (a call up). Moose might take that but I doubt that. Only because the market is going to be tough out there. But I confident he could get a better deal out there.

I don’t know I would feel Lyon is a guy I want backing Hart up. I like him right where he is (a call up). Moose might take that but I doubt that. Only because the market is going to be tough out there. But I confident he could get a better deal out there.
- peesinwind

I seriously doubt that the Flyers see Lyon as an NHL backup.

Flyers aren't going to put Patrick through waivers.
- MJL

Can they not send him down for 14 days for rehab?

I don’t know I would feel Lyon is a guy I want backing Hart up. I like him right where he is (a call up). Moose might take that but I doubt that. Only because the market is going to be tough out there. But I confident he could get a better deal out there.
- peesinwind

I dont think Elliot will have many options. Goalie market is flooded. That is my offer to him. If not then move on and get a better backup; which yes will probably cost a little more.

Did it occur to you that maybe just maybe they wanted andy mac gone. Out of the way so they can move forward? Tired of his stink on the backend?

Do you think Niskannen and Braun had a positive effect on the young dman and allowed them to ease into it a little more? Do you think they helped them in ways that may not show up on the ice?
- login

Niskanen definitely. Braun was good in the regular season. They could have done either deal without buying out Amac.

Braun and Amac to me are close to a wash. Especially when you consider the Flyers would have two additional draft picks and an additional $1.9 mil in cap space this year. AMac was a respected leader with his teammates. I don't think Braun brought more of that than AMac. Please keep in mind I did not care for AMac as a player.

Niskanen definitely. Braun was good in the regular season. They could have done either deal without buying out Amac.

Braun and Amac to me are close to a wash. Especially when you consider the Flyers would have two additional draft picks and an additional $1.9 mil in cap space this year. AMac was a respected leader with his teammates. I don't think Braun brought more of that than AMac. Please keep in mind I did not care for AMac as a player.
- mickel25

They are not close to a wash. Andy fn Mac couldnt even get a job in the NHL this year and was released from his Euro team. Andy Mac stinks.

The picks , big deal that is the cost to acquire a legit NHL dman.

Sometimes there are things you cant put a price or monetary value on. This defense was a mess for years because the young guys had zero guidance. I can't grasp how that is even debatable or how some can't see that at all.

Niskanen definitely. Braun was good in the regular season. They could have done either deal without buying out Amac.

Braun and Amac to me are close to a wash. Especially when you consider the Flyers would have two additional draft picks and an additional $1.9 mil in cap space this year. AMac was a respected leader with his teammates. I don't think Braun brought more of that than AMac. Please keep in mind I did not care for AMac as a player.
- mickel25

I dont like the math on the buyouts, didnt then and dont now. A 2nd and 3rd was an overpay for Braun, I thought that going in and I was ok with it. We can look back and say for a 1 year rental but that is looking back. The trade was made not knowing about Myers, or would Provy rebound, would Nisk work out. I think this season was a success and I think Braun was part of that and I am still ok with the overpay but man he was very average in the Playoffs. When Sanheim and Myers struggled you couldn't with a straight face lets put Braun in the top 4.

I dont like the math on the buyouts, didnt then and dont now. A 2nd and 3rd was an overpay for Braun, I thought that going in and I was ok with it. We can look back and say for a 1 year rental but that is looking back. The trade was made not knowing about Myers, or would Provy rebound, would Nisk work out. I think this season was a success and I think Braun was part of that and I am still ok with the overpay but man he was very average in the Playoffs. When Sanheim and Myers struggled you couldn't with a straight face lets put Braun in the top 4.
- wcorvette

And that's my point. Didn't it always depend on how good Myers/Sanheim and Provorov got anyway?

To me Niskanen was an obvious upgrade. Niskanen really helped this team. Braun was a dime a dozen player in my opinion. Could have received similar output from any number of other defensemen. Especially to play in the bottom pairing.

That's ludicrous.

Ghost should not be traded at all. Ghost got hurt and was never really put back in the opportunity to succeed. Worst scenario possible, he is a great powerplay QB. The Flyers using a forward on the point is a mistake. Provorov and Ghost should both be there.

Trading him for a 2nd rounder would be a massive error.
- kennygarcon

Ghost has had subpar seasons three of the last four years, and in b2b years. It might be the best for both sides if he gets an opportunity elsewhere and the Flyers get more breathing room on the cap.

If you could tell me with a high degree of confidence that he will get back next season to his 2017-18 regular season level (he struggled in the Pittsburgh series), I would be with you on this.

But he has struggled more than he's played well in 2016-17, 2018-19 and 2019-20. What would be an "opportunity to succeed"? Putting him back with Provorov and PP1 with unlimited leeway?

He basically played himself off PP1 and off the Provorov pair in the first half of 2018-19 and overall has struggled the last two seasons, under 3 head coaches and three assistants in charge of the D. Injuries haven't helped, of course.

I like Ghost as a player and as a person but it just hasn't been clicking the last few years.

Can they not send him down for 14 days for rehab?
- wcorvette

I think so but why would they? They'll have training camp.

They are not close to a wash. Andy fn Mac couldnt even get a job in the NHL this year and was released from his Euro team. Andy Mac stinks.

The picks , big deal that is the cost to acquire a legit NHL dman.

Sometimes there are things you cant put a price or monetary value on. This defense was a mess for years because the young guys had zero guidance. I can't grasp how that is even debatable or how some can't see that at all.
- login

I guess that's were we differ. I see Braun as a dime a dozen veteran d-man. Could get similar production out of a lot of players without spending two draft picks.

I think so but why would they? They'll have training camp.
- MJL

Yes. I meant that we should/would never expose Patty to waivers. I wasn't sure if he had to clear to be sent down. Not suggesting we do that. If not, then a couple dozen games in AHL wouldn't hurt after a long layoff. I wasn't sure of his contract situation.

Niskanen definitely. Braun was good in the regular season. They could have done either deal without buying out Amac.

Braun and Amac to me are close to a wash. Especially when you consider the Flyers would have two additional draft picks and an additional $1.9 mil in cap space this year. AMac was a respected leader with his teammates. I don't think Braun brought more of that than AMac. Please keep in mind I did not care for AMac as a player.
- mickel25

They weren't equal last season. There is no doubt that Braun was a better player at that point. MacDonald was not going to play for the Flyers last year no matter what. They could've buried him and been done with the contract now. So was it worth it to trade for Braun?

And that's my point. Didn't it always depend on how good Myers/Sanheim and Provorov got anyway?

To me Niskanen was an obvious upgrade. Niskanen really helped this team. Braun was a dime a dozen player in my opinion. Could have received similar output from any number of other defensemen. Especially to play in the bottom pairing.
- mickel25

Having those 2 probably allowed Myers to start in the AHL and Sanheim not rushed into top 4 duty asap.

All your seeing is the output. There are other intangibles that Braun offered imo. I guess in today stats world they dont exist.

They weren't equal last season. There is no doubt that Braun was a better player at that point. MacDonald was not going to play for the Flyers last year no matter what. They could've buried him and been done with the contract now. So was it worth it to trade for Braun?
- MJL

What part don't you get they didnt want him around even in the minors. Yes it was worth it.

Both moves were made to bring in Braun. Can we really say it was worth it for one year? I mean if you needed a RH veteran defenseman to shore up the D core for a legit Cup run, then okay. I didn't like it when it was made and I don't like it now. The other side of the coin is that maybe it's a good thing they have limited cap space. Please no UFA spending other than minor short term.
- MJL

I think it was worth it. He played a lot of tough minutes and covered for his young partners. I don't think we get into the playoffs (not counting qualifiers) without him.

They weren't equal last season. There is no doubt that Braun was a better player at that point. MacDonald was not going to play for the Flyers last year no matter what. They could've buried him and been done with the contract now. So was it worth it to trade for Braun?
- MJL

I called it close to a wash (Braun-AMac).

1 year of Braun vs.

two draft picks, riding out AMac's contract, having $1.9mil in additional cap space this year.

No argument Braun was the better player. But there were similar players that could be had for less. In the end, I will never like that the Flyers spent 2 draft picks and added cap to future seasons for one year of a player that was good but not great.

Yes. I meant that we should/would never expose Patty to waivers. I wasn't sure if he had to clear to be sent down. Not suggesting we do that. If not, then a couple dozen games in AHL wouldn't hurt after a long layoff. I wasn't sure of his contract situation.
- cdearth23

Whether a player has to clear waivers or not to be sent to the AHL has nothing to do with his contract. It has to with how many years ago he signed his ELC and the number of games played. Patrick does have to clear waivers to be sent to the AHL.

I think it was worth it. He played a lot of tough minutes and covered for his young partners. I don't think we get into the playoffs (not counting qualifiers) without him.
- easY

They couldn't have looked for a cheaper veteran option?