Likewise.

What would it cost us? I feel like our main priority should be shoring up our offense (top 6 and ideal 3C).
- EdmHockeyMan

What would you give for OEL?

Askarov with a 33 save shut out last nighy. Including a penalty shot. In the K.

Askarov with a 33 save shut out last nighy. Including a penalty shot. In the K.
- wreckage

Too bad that he’ll be gone before we get the chance.

To be honest, I also thought I would be 😅 Then I thought about it some more and my mind started to sway towards supporting it.
- MaximumBone

So it seems.

What would you give for OEL?
- Wildschwein

Tough to say honestly.
Klefbom, next year's first, and AA? Would love it if they were to take on Neal as well (cap reasons) but I highly doubt that would happen. Perhaps if we were to retain salary on his contract?

Final offer: Klefbom, 2021 First, AA, and Neal (salary retained if needed to let the deal go through).

Edit: If the yotes don't want Neal involved, I'd still probably do the trade.

Tough to say honestly.
Klefbom, next year's first, and AA? Would love it if they were to take on Neal as well (cap reasons) but I highly doubt that would happen. Perhaps if we were to retain salary on his contract?

Final offer: Klefbom, 2021 First, AA, and Neal (salary retained if needed to let the deal go through).

Edit: If the yotes don't want Neal involved, I'd still probably do the trade.
- EdmHockeyMan

Remember the key point for them is to save money.

Remember the key point for them is to save money.
- MaximumBone

Klefbom, next year's first, and a decent forward prospect not named Benson?

They'll save 4m in cap space. Even then, beggars can't be choosers and I'm sure (hoping) other teams will take advantage of their cap space issue in such a trade.

Realistically, they could either blow things up and trade OEL for assets to build around their young core or chip away at smaller contracts until they get to a level they are satisfied with in terms of cap space.

While a bit overdue, (frank) Chakya. I was wrong about him being a good GM, especially in consideration with the scandal.

Klefbom, next year's first, and a decent forward prospect not named Benson?

They'll save 4m in cap space. Even then, beggars can't be choosers and I'm sure (hoping) other teams will take advantage of their cap space issue in such a trade.

Realistically, they could either blow things up and trade OEL for assets to build around their young core or chip away at smaller contracts until they get to a level they are satisfied with in terms of cap space.

While a bit overdue, (frank) Chakya. I was wrong about him being a good GM, especially in consideration with the scandal.
- EdmHockeyMan

The odd thing is, that might even be high. Depends on so many things like if they wanna do the leg work on a trade of Klefbom (or Nurse) after making this trade or how desperate they are to be rid of OEL before next year's 10mil is owed.

I think it's a rare opportunity to add the best bet at a #1D the Oilers have seen since Pronger for cheaper than market value. I'd try out either:

Jones, Russell, Kassian, and a high pick for OEL and Grabner
Jones gives them a very low cost option and Russell provides them 4mil in cap with only 1.5mil in cash. Kassian is the long term cap that they would need to take back to make it work for EDM. Oilers then have the means to trade one of Nurse or Klefbom for an upgrade elsewhere in the lineup which also helps alleviate the cap difference they'd incur in such a deal.

Being clear of OEL's big cash payouts the next couple years is the big driver for this while Grabner is to help alleviate some of the cash burden of this year as he's set to be paid 3.775mil

Salary outlook: (this year: 850k + 1.5mi + 2.5mil VS 4mil + 3.775mil; next year: 850k + 0 + 3.5mil VS 10mil + 0)

OR

Klef/Nurse, Russell, and a mid-to-high pick for OEL and Grabner
Similar reasoning to above for Russell's inclusion but Klefbom or Nurse present Coyotes the option to either keep & play them or immediately flip them for futures in a way that they'd be harder pressed to do with OEL due to his cap hit.

(4.5mil/5.6mil + 1.5mi VS 4mil + 3.775mil; next year 4.5mil/5.6mil + 0 VS 10mil + 0)

I would hate to move out Jones, but he might be precisely the right piece for Arizona to be willing to accept the other inclusions. Grabner is a perfect fit to be added to such a trade thanks to that salary of his and also has solid utility for a roster like ours. Could be nice 3LW alongside our eventual 3C (if we can afford one).

But again, these could be WAY undervalue when compared to the actual return he would garner. I have no idea what the nuances or the return in such a trade would end up being as a result of economic desperation.

Eh, they're meh. I wouldn't give them anything of substance for them, but if it gets Kassian out the door, sure.

Side note: the DRAFT is nearing My list is almost set!
- MaximumBone

would you do Ghost for kassian?

would you do Ghost for kassian?
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The 1.2mil in cap increase for a guy that can't be trusted to succeed in top-4 minutes strikes me as a tough sell, but it's not like Kassian is particularly valuable. It would depend on the other moves that could occur first; I wouldn't make the deal until the end of the offseason at the earliest.

The odd thing is, that might even be high. Depends on so many things like if they wanna do the leg work on a trade of Klefbom (or Nurse) after making this trade or how desperate they are to be rid of OEL before next year's 10mil is owed.

I think it's a rare opportunity to add the best bet at a #1D the Oilers have seen since Pronger for cheaper than market value. I'd try out either:

Jones, Russell, Kassian, and a high pick for OEL and Grabner
Jones gives them a very low cost option and Russell provides them 4mil in cap with only 1.5mil in cash. Kassian is the long term cap that they would need to take back to make it work for EDM. Oilers then have the means to trade one of Nurse or Klefbom for an upgrade elsewhere in the lineup which also helps alleviate the cap difference they'd incur in such a deal.

Being clear of OEL's big cash payouts the next couple years is the big driver for this while Grabner is to help alleviate some of the cash burden of this year as he's set to be paid 3.775mil

Salary outlook: (this year: 850k + 1.5mi + 2.5mil VS 4mil + 3.775mil; next year: 850k + 0 + 3.5mil VS 10mil + 0)

OR

Klef/Nurse, Russell, and a mid-to-high pick for OEL and Grabner
Similar reasoning to above for Russell's inclusion but Klefbom or Nurse present Coyotes the option to either keep & play them or immediately flip them for futures in a way that they'd be harder pressed to do with OEL due to his cap hit.

(4.5mil/5.6mil + 1.5mi VS 4mil + 3.775mil; next year 4.5mil/5.6mil + 0 VS 10mil + 0)

I would hate to move out Jones, but he might be precisely the right piece for Arizona to be willing to accept the other inclusions. Grabner is a perfect fit to be added to such a trade thanks to that salary of his and also has solid utility for a roster like ours. Could be nice 3LW alongside our eventual 3C (if we can afford one).

But again, these could be WAY undervalue when compared to the actual return he would garner. I have no idea what the nuances or the return in such a trade would end up being as a result of economic desperation.
- MaximumBone

Honestly, your guess is as good as mine. When trades are made based on economic desperation or other anomalies, it's tough to gauge what a possible trade could look like. I mean, look at the Wild too. Wtf is going on over there is a mystery lmao.

Good notice on keeping an eye on actual cash payouts rather than just cap hits. Makes players like Russell bring some sort of value in such a trade. If a trade outlined like the first one occurs, I'd actually be perfectly okay with it.

Losing Jones is rough, but with a solid NHL LHD depth and a plethora of prospective defenders on the left side blossoming (Broberg, Samorukov, etc) we should actually be okay. Also opens the idea as you noted to still having Klefbom or Nurse available in a possible trade for an offensive asset or two. The first would have to be next year's. This draft is too deep in the first round (and in general) for us to trade away such a high pick.

As for the second trade, you won't be able to retain Klefbom or Nurse which sucks but it still is a possibility to consider nonetheless.

The 1.2mil in cap increase for a guy that can't be trusted to succeed in top-4 minutes strikes me as a tough sell, but it's not like Kassian is particularly valuable. It would depend on the other moves that could occur first; I wouldn't make the deal until the end of the offseason at the earliest.
- MaximumBone

fair enough. If put in the right role he will succeed. Top unit PP. I myself dont think he is a top 4 dman, but what do I know!!

fair enough. If put in the right role he will succeed. Top unit PP. I myself dont think he is a top 4 dman, but what do I know!!
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