Canada Cup
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Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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For kayaks, i use single user however i have use a two person solo before.
So obviously its longer, loading and uploading becomes harder.
In calm water you should be fine, just try out whether its easier for you to control with the bulk of the kayak in front of you (you sitting in seat 2) or the bulk behind you (you sitting in seat 1).
Rougher waters, bigger lakes, will be harder to control the yak. - Fakepartofme
Thanks. In theory, I’d like to get my wife into kayaking but I have a feeling that she would not be out very often. We’re a few blocks from LaSalle Park where we can out into the gentle Burlington Bay. |
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Fakepartofme
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Best case scenario for the Leafs is they resign Pietrangelo... And Parayko hits the block.
No guarantees at that point, but avoiding that big money deal which surely won't age well... And even having a sniff of a chance at Parayko is far and away the best option.
Convince me I'm wrong. 🤷♂️ - joel878
i agree.
Pietra is better but the cost and cap ramifications could hurt the leafs long term potentially. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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I'm sure one day he'll make it!
I'm willing to bet on this!! - Scabeh
well its like Suzuki, who has played 30 more NHL games...he is still a "prospect" |
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RogerRoeper
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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Many will disagree with me, but I wouldn't trade Nylander straight up for Marchand at this point in their careers. Marchand is 32, Nylander is just starting. The better performance by the Bruins was a combination of much better defense, timely goaltending , better work ethic in general and coaching. That could change fast, Tampa looked much better than Boston even without Stamkos, wasn't close. - winsix
That's the reason I would not. If ages were closer I would. Marchand was really a late bloomer. That helped his cap hit being low. But he's fantastic. |
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Boston does have better value contracts, can't argue that.. In some cases though, the players were not performing as well as they are now when they signed their contract..
Also, anyone think that if Tavares didn't sign here, Matthews and Marner would both have signed for less money? - PatC80
i do yes.
Maybe not a whole lot less, but i feel marner would have signed for 9.5.
I have no evidence to support this, just feelsies. |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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well its like Suzuki, who has played 30 more NHL games...he is still a "prospect" - senstroll
And yet he's not considered in the genius analysis you posted.
Not without mentionning Mikheyev is a 25 year old signed from the KHL while Suzuki is a 21 year old coming into his first pro season.
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RogerRoeper
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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I don't think you're wrong, I just think the perfect storm type scenario in Toronto made that harder to accomplish. And by that I mean the 3 young stars having their contracts expire damn near together for the team with an endless spotlight on it. Boston just has it a bit easier to create that culture in my opinion. - joel878
Majority of teams don't hit home runs on guys all picked no later than 8th overall 3 straight years. That's where the cap is annoying. It hurts you if you draft well.
Teams like Arizona and Florida don't get better, due in part to bombing on some high picks. (That 2015 one is devastating for Coyotees. Just an incredible draft and they picked 3rd overall) |
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The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Joined: 01.29.2008
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I find it hard to believe that 20% escrow in year one is going to cover it.
I'd put it at 50%.
It's going to get awkward when teams have to claw back money they've already paid out. - Atomic Wedgie
It's not ...that was the trade off for the players in the new CBA. They get some salary certainty and the owners get 6 years to balance and recover.
I think it's 35-50% is the right range. But if many owners are now reducing salary expenditures then the actual escrow amounts will be lower.
The 20% will make 81.5m (max spend) turn into 65m max spend. The players pot goes from about 2.5 billion (less the 10% escrow they were losing) to about 2 billion (with the 20% escrow).
40% revenue loss mean the owners and players are probably splitting about 3billion instead of 4.5-5 billion.
So players pot is arbitrarily raised from 1.5 billion to 2 billion BUT teams don't have to spend to that. Owners spending less will balance that back out a bit.
So for the owners you've got, after player salaries, about 1 - 1.5 billion to pay for all the other expenditures. Many of those were fixed costs already so it's ($$) why, I think, the game must go on as best it can. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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And yet he's not considered in the genius analysis you posted.
Not without mentionning Mikheyev is a 25 year old signed from the KHL while Suzuki is a 21 year old coming into his first pro season. - Scabeh
suzuki is mentioned as a habs prospect.
again, you have to come up with some cutoffs...nhl games played, age...whatever |
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RogerRoeper
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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If Leafs gave Kyle Clifford 3 years and say 3 million per there would be a lot les hysteria about it then the deals to the 4 forwards beacuse people view 3 million as so low and not a big deal. It is.. It's a big deal when people say Marner is 1-2 million overpaid. |
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Thanks. In theory, I’d like to get my wife into kayaking but I have a feeling that she would not be out very often. We’re a few blocks from LaSalle Park where we can out into the gentle Burlington Bay. - Canada Cup
Worth a shot, plus from there you can head over to the rbg.
Lake Ontario is nice further out away from shore, but it can get choppy.
Up the street in mountsberg reservoir is a great place to practice.
Last time i went, they had several bald eagles nest as well. It was great to see them up close. |
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i do yes.
Maybe not a whole lot less, but i feel marner would have signed for 9.5.
I have no evidence to support this, just feelsies. - Fakepartofme
Marner was willing to sign a contract 6-8 y at about 8-8.5mln AAV in the off-season before training camp the year Tavares joined.
Dubas didn't think that the risk was worth it (apparently he wasn't that convinced Marner was that good - another player he didn't value very well).
Result was that Marner put up 94points, and after giving that massive contract to Matthews, Dubas had no argument at all to give that 2mln AAV overpayment to Marner.
Bad negotiation tactics 1.0 -- by Kyle Dubas. |
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Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens |
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Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC Joined: 02.25.2007
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suzuki is mentioned as a habs prospect.
again, you have to come up with some cutoffs...nhl games played, age...whatever - senstroll
Of course.
Guess the author decided to go with "bias" as his cutoff.
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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Marner was willing to sign a contract 6-8 y at about 8-8.5mln AAV in the off-season before training camp the year Tavares joined.
Dubas didn't think that the risk was worth it (apparently he wasn't that convinced Marner was that good - another player he didn't value very well).
Result was that Marner put up 94points, and after giving that massive contract to Matthews, Dubas had no argument at all to give that 2mln AAV overpayment to Marner.
Bad negotiation tactics 1.0 -- by Kyle Dubas. - MaximusAurelius
According to Steve Simmons |
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winsix
Season Ticket Holder Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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So which of the two P’s do the Blues prefer? Maybe someone who knows his game better than I do can reassure me but I worry about a scenario where we pay $9 or so for Pietrangelo, the cap stalls for a few years and only grows slowly after that and 34 or 35, he’s not worth the money.
If we knew for sure the cap was going to rebound, I’d say go for it and find the $.
Maybe a trade for Parayko is the best move if it’s available. - Canada Cup
I think so, losing Pietro without a return diminishes. Trading Parayko at least brings back some assets. Keeping both is not impossible, just difficult with the player mix, the Faulk deal and every significant salary on the team having trade restrictions.
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Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: The centre of the hockey universe Joined: 07.31.2006
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I don't think you're wrong, I just think the perfect storm type scenario in Toronto made that harder to accomplish. And by that I mean the 3 young stars having their contracts expire damn near together for the team with an endless spotlight on it. Boston just has it a bit easier to create that culture in my opinion. - joel878
I don't think people give Dubas enough credit for the Nylander contract.
FFS, he took him to the final hour - he played chicken and won. It's a great contract.
I'm just puzzled why he didn't do the same for Marner. |
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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If Leafs gave Kyle Clifford 3 years and say 3 million per there would be a lot les hysteria about it then the deals to the 4 forwards beacuse people view 3 million as so low and not a big deal. It is.. It's a big deal when people say Marner is 1-2 million overpaid. - RogerRoeper
Incorrect. People would still freak out and rightfully so.
Because of our 40 m to 4 players and lack of quality D, the leafs cant afford to offer any 4th liner 3m per.
In this tight cap world 1m overpayment sucks no matter who it is. But its easier to accept if the player is getting 90plus points and not just playing 6 mins a game. |
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RogerRoeper
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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I think they only trade Paryko if they sign Pietrangelo. I think the Leafs have a decent shot at one of those guys |
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RogerRoeper
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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Incorrect. People would still freak out and rightfully so.
Because of our 40 m to 4 players and lack of quality D, the leafs cant afford to offer any 4th liner 3m per.
In this tight cap world 1m overpayment sucks no matter who it is. But its easier to accept if the player is getting 90plus points and not just playing 6 mins a game. - Fakepartofme
The cap is about the entire roster, not 4 players. The 40 million is not why they can't afford to spend a lot on the 4th line. Common sense tells you it's dumb. And majority of NHl teams are right at the cap with the Leafs, and many are also cutting their budgets.
If you get Spezza at 700K, what the hell is the point to giving these 4th liners 3 million.
I'm going to make the argument 0 NHL teams should be paying 3 million to a 4th liner. |
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senstroll
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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Of course.
Guess the author decided to go with "bias" as his cutoff. - Scabeh
he used the prospect tool he created..he is from Calagary..dont think hes a leafs fan..if you mean he just wants to put the leafs high on a list cuz a fan
sorry you seem but hurt over list |
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Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: ON Joined: 11.30.2009
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I don't think people give Dubas enough credit for the Nylander contract.
FFS, he took him to the final hour - he played chicken and won. It's a great contract.
I'm just puzzled why he didn't do the same for Marner. - Atomic Wedgie
Marner is miles better and as soft as Marner is Nylander makes him look like Wendel Clark.
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Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Living rent free... in your head, ON Joined: 09.20.2010
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Marner was willing to sign a contract 6-8 y at about 8-8.5mln AAV in the off-season before training camp the year Tavares joined.
Dubas didn't think that the risk was worth it (apparently he wasn't that convinced Marner was that good - another player he didn't value very well).
Result was that Marner put up 94points, and after giving that massive contract to Matthews, Dubas had no argument at all to give that 2mln AAV overpayment to Marner.
Bad negotiation tactics 1.0 -- by Kyle Dubas. - MaximusAurelius
ive heard this on here before but have never seen it anywhere else, except mentioned on tsn radio by some talking heads if i recall.
Any links to this actually occuring or being true? |
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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Marner is miles better and as soft as Marner is Nylander makes him look like Wendel Clark.
- Garnie
Nylander scores most of his goals in the front of the net |
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RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Toronto, ON Joined: 03.27.2007
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ive heard this on here before but have never seen it anywhere else, except mentioned on tsn radio by some talking heads if i recall.
Any links to this actually occuring or being true? - Fakepartofme
I'll try to fidn it myself. Steve Simmons claims he heard it from a "Source". Maybe it was the hot dog vendor again |
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winsix
Season Ticket Holder Toronto Maple Leafs |
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Location: Henry Hudson's Fairchild 24 South Porcupine Joined: 04.03.2016
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What if the Blues move Brayden Schenn or Tarasenko? It's not smart but they could for picks and prospects. - PatC80
Good point both have a NTC, only forward making above $4 million except O'Reilly (including teh Bosek) has a either a NTC or a M-NTC.
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