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Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 17 @ 4:35 PM ET
Everyone has ideas but they don’t have hard information. Agents can talk to reporters. Agents can say, of course the Leafs are interested. But this is mostly well informed fog.
- Canada Cup


its okay to be gullible.

Leafs and Petro know nothing. Believe that if you wish, it is your right.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:35 PM ET
Wrong about what?

How else did PL get his info? Through league execs.

You are a gullible (frank) if you think players and teams dont know information on who wants who.

You are allowed to be gullible, most people are.

- Santo_44

Oh boy.

As I have said above, yes, it happens.

As you said above:

"I think teams and players can relay who they are interested in before that no problem."

To which I replied that no, they can't relay who they are interested in before that no problem. It would be a big problem.

Can they find away around it? Absolutely.

Can they be open about it? Absolutely not.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:39 PM ET
Apparently Steve Simmons' effort to distract didn't work too well:

https://twitter.com/simmo...tatus/1306680080983363585

The comments are gold, Jerry.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 17 @ 4:40 PM ET
Exactly. But if we wait for Petro, and he ends up signing in St Louis the day before Free Agency, we could very well end up missing out on other defenseman who get traded in the interim.
- Leafs43

Back in 2012 the Red Wings went all in trying to convince Ryan Suter to sign with them. Lidstrom had just retired. Rafalski retired the season before. Kypreos even said "Suter to Detroit. Done deal." Parise and Suter waited a few days after July 1st and signed with Minnesota. By this time all of the other decent UFA defenseman signed with other teams. Holland went all in on Suter and ended up being left out.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:41 PM ET
Holy poop, Steve Simmons is trending in Canada on Twitter.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 17 @ 4:43 PM ET
Back in 2012 the Red Wings went all in on trying to convince Ryan Suter to sign with them. Lidstrom had just retired. Rafalski retired the season before. Kypreos even said "Suter to Detroit. Done deal." Parise and Suter waited a few days after July 1st and signed with Minnesota. By this time all of the other decent UFA defenseman signed with other teams. Holland went all in and ended up being left out.
- gergeswillems


That's my fear.

I want Petro in a Leafs uni. But I have this feeling that the Leafs are just a bargaining chip for him to work out his contract in St Louis.

I wish Free agency was before the draft, or the Leafs could at least officially talk to Pietrangelo before the draft, just so we aren't flying blind until October 09.

gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 17 @ 4:44 PM ET
That's my fear.

I want Petro in a Leafs uni. But I have this feeling that the Leafs are just a bargaining chip for him to work out his contract in St Louis.

I wish Free agency was before the draft, or the Leafs could at least officially talk to Pietrangelo before the draft, just so we aren't flying blind until October 09.

- Leafs43

Holland did end up signing a UFA defenseman. Carlo Colaiacovo. He played 6 games.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 17 @ 4:46 PM ET
Oh boy.

As I have said above, yes, it happens.

As you said above:

"I think teams and players can relay who they are interested in before that no problem."

To which I replied that no, they can't relay who they are interested in before that no problem. It would be a big problem.

Can they find away around it? Absolutely.

Can they be open about it? Absolutely not.

- Atomic Wedgie


It’s not hard to conclude that the Leafs would love to have him. I’m sure his agent has a very good idea of other teams that would like to have him and have a reasonable shot at getting him.

Tampering is simply the act of the Leafs communicating that interest to the player or his agent directly or indirectly.

But they don’t need to. The benefit doesn’t come close to the risk of either getting specifically nailed by the League (unlikely) or the word getting around and pissing off your colleagues. Getting along matters in this league.

Again, what’s the benefit?

The only person benefiting from this is the agent who can do whatever he wants.

I’m not gullible but you need to show some reasonable assessment of benefit versus risk.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 17 @ 4:46 PM ET
Apparently Steve Simmons' effort to distract didn't work too well:

https://twitter.com/simmo...tatus/1306680080983363585

The comments are gold, Jerry.

- Atomic Wedgie


What did he do?
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter I Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 17 @ 4:47 PM ET
Holy poop, Steve Simmons is trending in Canada on Twitter.
- Atomic Wedgie

There's just SO much wrong with this on SO many levels
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 4:48 PM ET
What did he do?
- Canada Cup

https://awfulannouncing.c...lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 17 @ 4:49 PM ET
It’s not hard to conclude that the Leafs would love to have him. I’m sure his agent has a very good idea of other teams that would like to have him and have a reasonable shot at getting him.

Tampering is simply the act of the Leafs communicating that interest to the player or his agent directly or indirectly.

But they don’t need to. The benefit doesn’t come close to the risk of either getting specifically nailed by the League (unlikely) or the word getting around and pissing off your colleagues. Getting along matters in this league.

Again, what’s the benefit?

The only person benefiting from this is the agent who can do whatever he wants.

I’m not gullible but you need to show some reasonable assessment of benefit versus risk.

- Canada Cup

Didn't Ron Wilson do that with the Sedins? He was coaching the Leafs at the time. I can't recall if the Leafs were charged with tampering or not. Back channeling has always existed. All those UFA's back in the 90s and early 2000's signed deals at midnight. Then it became 12 noon. They obviously had deals all worked out beforehand.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 17 @ 4:50 PM ET
for my speech, I went with; "If I could just say a few words, I'd be a better public speaker"
- PatC80

mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 17 @ 4:51 PM ET
What did you do to get him out of those?
- bobbyisno1



This thread has been the precise antidote to yesterday's cluster(frank).
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 17 @ 4:58 PM ET
Serious question:

How would that work?

I guess people could be compensated if they generate large percentages of screen shares, but not sure how you'd compensate for personal data.

These media companies are a weird mental exercise for me, because we participate voluntarily.

Hell, should we be compensated for Hockeybuzz? Users provide 99% of the content.

- Atomic Wedgie


The product being sold on social sites is us. Specifically our personal data. Seems like we should be compensated for having our personal info sold.

Don't dream to big though. Don't expect that hockeybuzz will cover your monthly rent payment.

Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 17 @ 4:58 PM ET


This thread has been the precise antidote to yesterday's cluster(frank).

- mjones242


Something’s changed
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 5:01 PM ET
Didn't Ron Wilson do that with the Sedins? He was coaching the Leafs at the time. I can't recall if the Leafs were charged with tampering or not. Back channeling has always existed. All those UFA's back in the 90s and early 2000's signed deals at midnight. Then it became 12 noon. They obviously had deals all worked out beforehand.
- gergeswillems

https://www.cbc.ca/sports...fs-for-tampering-1.802383

Fined an undisclosed amount.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 17 @ 5:02 PM ET
The product being sold on social sites is us. Specifically our personal data. Seems like we should be compensated for having our personal info sold.

Don't dream to big though. Don't expect that hockeybuzz will cover your monthly rent payment.

- Tumbleweed


You will all be getting a big bill from me for entertainment and political education.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 5:04 PM ET
The product being sold on social sites is us. Specifically our personal data. Seems like we should be compensated for having our personal info sold.

Don't dream to big though. Don't expect that hockeybuzz will cover your monthly rent payment.

- Tumbleweed

I get that, but we are willing participants.

Why should Facebook buy the cow when they can get the milk for free?

And it's hard to make a compelling case that the government should step in - nobody is being coerced to do anything.

And I'd just like to point out here that you are arguing that the government should intervene and force a private company to compensate the general public, and I'm arguing that the government has no business intervening, and you should quit being such a commie pinko. Weird, isn't it?
joel878
Joined: 06.13.2009

Sep 17 @ 5:14 PM ET
Oh boy.

As I have said above, yes, it happens.

As you said above:

"I think teams and players can relay who they are interested in before that no problem."

To which I replied that no, they can't relay who they are interested in before that no problem. It would be a big problem.

Can they find away around it? Absolutely.

Can they be open about it? Absolutely not.

- Atomic Wedgie


What went on with the leafs and the sedins way back when?

Because I remember the team was down this road before... There were a lot of jokes for a long time. But I don't exactly remember what happened...
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

Sep 17 @ 5:16 PM ET
What went on with the leafs and the sedins way back when?

Because I remember the team was down this road before... There were a lot of jokes for a long time. But I don't exactly remember what happened...

- joel878

https://www.cbc.ca/sports...fs-for-tampering-1.802383
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 17 @ 5:19 PM ET
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl-fines-leafs-for-tampering-1.802383

Fined an undisclosed amount.

- Atomic Wedgie

Thanks.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: #FireDubas
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 17 @ 5:26 PM ET
Professional sports organizations and their management and players should limit their attention to their sport, and reporter should not bring up any other topics than sports-related.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 17 @ 5:33 PM ET
I get that, but we are willing participants.

Why should Facebook buy the cow when they can get the milk for free?

And it's hard to make a compelling case that the government should step in - nobody is being coerced to do anything.

And I'd just like to point out here that you are arguing that the government should intervene and force a private company to compensate the general public, and I'm arguing that the government has no business intervening, and you should quit being such a commie pinko. Weird, isn't it?

- Atomic Wedgie


I know. I can't figure you guys out.

I'm not good with companies selling my data without my specific approval to do so. Offerring a free website doesn't give someone the approval for that.

Also - less good with facebook trying to track my web browsing, where i go and pulling info from my roku because it's on my wifi, etc.

Facebook is really the only game in town for what they do. Being a monoply makes it appropriate for government intervention imo.

I'd be okay with laws restricting their data harvesting/selling or requiring them to compensate individuals; the latter seems like a turn key solutuon for a pseudo universal basic income.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 17 @ 5:35 PM ET
You will all be getting a big bill from me for entertainment and political education.
- Canada Cup




I'll be demanding a full refund.
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