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The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 10:57 AM ET
Some Leaf fans on Twitter want the Leafs to buy out Tavares

- PatC80


Just remind yourself that the internet is available everywhere.
dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.30.2006

Sep 23 @ 10:58 AM ET
it seems Dubas is on his annual '2 month fishing trip' though.. (Burkie at least only left for a week)
- MaximusAurelius


could he be fishing for player(s)?????
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 23 @ 10:58 AM ET
Mike, O'Rourke is a nice pick ....at 44.

I don't see Dubas picking a safe d'man over some of the high skilled/ high IQ'd forwards that are left on the board.

Jarvis and/or Bourque both scream TML. Should be lots of safe D types available at 44.

- The Law

yeah, that's pretty f'n far from best player available...
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 10:59 AM ET
Mike, O'Rourke is a nice pick ....at 44.

I don't see Dubas picking a safe d'man over some of the high skilled/ high IQ'd forwards that are left on the board.

Jarvis and/or Bourque both scream TML. Should be lots of safe D types available at 44.

- The Law


Bourque is talented but a bit in undersized... I don't know if we need more Nick Robertson types..

Askarov or Schneider at 15
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 23 @ 11:00 AM ET
There are always cheap pieces to be had that can fill gaps. DeMelo, for example, who everyone* seems to like was only making 900k this year.

*mr.sir and Max excepted.

- mjones242


I was thinking about being able to sign Hyman and Lehtonen (if he becomes what we expect) next year and Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren the year after. Gaps like that.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:00 AM ET
Just remind yourself that the internet is available everywhere.
- The Law

The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:00 AM ET
yeah, that's pretty f'n far from best player available...
- 21peter


I assume he's read too much into the Sandin pick.

Sandin had way more upside offensively then O'Rourke and this draft is loaded with Dubas types (smallish, high skilled, high IQ forwards).
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 23 @ 11:02 AM ET
I assume he's read too much into the Sandin pick.

Sandin had way more upside offensively then O'Rourke and this draft is loaded with Dubas types (smallish, high skilled, high IQ forwards).

- The Law

What was it again? "Our power play is our grit" ?
I forgot the exact phrasing..
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 23 @ 11:03 AM ET
I assume he's read too much into the Sandin pick.

Sandin had way more upside offensively then O'Rourke and this draft is loaded with Dubas types (smallish, high skilled, high IQ forwards).

- The Law

yup!
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:03 AM ET
What was it again? "Our power play is our grit" ?
I forgot the exact phrasing..

- MaximusAurelius


Babcock?

Our toughness is our powerplay
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
Babcock?

Our toughness is our powerplay

- PatC80


yes, that was it.
hasn't panned out well ...
(and at the time i thought it was a strange thing to say by babcock)

edit:

the comment was a bit broader:

"You look at our personnel; you look what we've got,” Babcock said. “We are what we are, our toughness is our power play.

and this was Dubas:

“We want to have skill, we want to be fast and we want to be competitive. I don’t really think the way the league is going that having someone who can come in and fight or anything like that is going to change that. We’ve got a way we want to play and we’re going to carry on with that. In the end, people will judge whether it was effective.”

dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.30.2006

Sep 23 @ 11:06 AM ET
Mike, O'Rourke is a nice pick ....at 44.

I don't see Dubas picking a safe d'man over some of the high skilled/ high IQ'd forwards that are left on the board.

Jarvis and/or Bourque both scream TML. Should be lots of safe D types available at 44.

- The Law



A Schneider anyone?

RHD is what the Leafs need imo


Hey, I know nothing about this upcoming draft class
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:08 AM ET

this article compares similar elite D from age 30 on.
based on what he did this past season and finding all the other D who did what he did.


https://theathletic.com/2...source=emp_shared_article

dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.30.2006

Sep 23 @ 11:10 AM ET
yes, that was it.
hasn't panned out well ...
(and at the time i thought it was a strange thing to say by babcock)

edit:

the comment was a bit broader:

"You look at our personnel; you look what we've got,” Babcock said. “We are what we are, our toughness is our power play.

and this was Dubas:

“We want to have skill, we want to be fast and we want to be competitive. I don’t really think the way the league is going that having someone who can come in and fight or anything like that is going to change that. We’ve got a way we want to play and we’re going to carry on with that. In the end, people will judge whether it was effective.”

- MaximusAurelius



Did you expect Babcock to say the Leafs were a bunch of wussies!

Of course not which is why he said that.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 23 @ 11:14 AM ET
Did you expect Babcock to say the Leafs were a bunch of wussies!

Of course not which is why he said that.

- dmnted


reading it back completely, I now remember that I always thought it was a form of hidden criticism :

"Dubie boy won't give me any players but wussies, so I guess we'll have to accept that and try to make other teams pay for their liberties by scoring on the PP"
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:14 AM ET
this article compares similar elite D from age 30 on.
based on what he did this past season and finding all the other D who did what he did.


https://theathletic.com/2...source=emp_shared_article


- senstroll



It's projecting that Pietrangelo will not age well, has him below average for 6 seasons.. I don't know how I feel about that.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:16 AM ET
What was it again? "Our power play is our grit" ?
I forgot the exact phrasing..

- MaximusAurelius


For me drafting outside of the top 5-10 is all about BPA. That player immediately becomes an asset with a value so maximize that assets value.

For example Robertson may be too much of the same but, as an asset, his huge year has clearly pushed his value up.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:16 AM ET
reading it back completely, I now remember that I always thought it was a form of hidden criticism :

"Dubie boy won't give me any players but wussies, so I guess we'll have to accept that and try to make other teams pay for their liberties by scoring on the PP"

- MaximusAurelius


Babs just didn't like Dubas... I recall Babcock not being a fan of the Muzzin trade either
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:19 AM ET
this article compares similar elite D from age 30 on.
based on what he did this past season and finding all the other D who did what he did.


https://theathletic.com/2...source=emp_shared_article


- senstroll


that was the one I summarized earlier.

I think the opinion was that AP's "projection" is that he's got 3 elite years followed by 3 top pairing years left in the tank.



mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 23 @ 11:20 AM ET
I was thinking about being able to sign Hyman and Lehtonen (if he becomes what we expect) next year and Rielly, Sandin and Liljegren the year after. Gaps like that.
- Canada Cup

To be honest, I'm not sure if Hyman will be worth his next contract. I like him a lot but I think the Leafs can probably find a cheaper alternative.

I doubt Sandin and Liljegren will see significant pay increases in the next few years. If they do end up deserving it, that's a great problem to have.

Rielly is definitely a big question mark.

There may be opportunities to go with a 1a/1b goaltending tandem on the cheap. Presumably, if the team is playing more defensively responsible, and you have a monster top pairing, you won't need Georges Vezina in net. (it's also one of the reasons I really, really want the Leafs to draft Askarov...)

I'm thinking I'd rather have Petro than 2 middle pair(ish) d-men who are probably going to be paid too much with too much term and may demand a NMC/NTCs that handicap your ability to move them.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 23 @ 11:22 AM ET
that was the one I summarized earlier.

I think the opinion was that AP's "projection" is that he's got 3 elite years followed by 3 top pairing years left in the tank.

- The Law

6 top pairing years out of 7 contract years is awesome.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:22 AM ET
It's projecting that Pietrangelo will not age well, has him below average for 6 seasons.. I don't know how I feel about that.
- PatC80


It doesn't show but ..

Dark blue = elite
Medium blue = top pairing
Light blue = solid but declining
Orange = poop balls
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:23 AM ET
6 top pairing years out of 7 contract years is awesome.
- mjones242


Abosolutely. But there's like 17 of these charts circulating out there and they all show things differently.

We need the Dubas/Pridham chart.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 23 @ 11:25 AM ET
Abosolutely. But there's like 17 of these charts circulating out there and they all show things differently.

We need the Dubas/Pridham chart.

- The Law



Indeed!
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:26 AM ET
It doesn't show but ..

Dark blue = elite
Medium blue = top pairing
Light blue = solid but declining
Orange = poop balls

- The Law


oh ok, that makes more sense... Shows a decline in the 2 final years.. So, it would definitely be worth going after him if they can get 5 really good years out of him
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