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winsix
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Sep 23 @ 11:29 AM ET
To be honest, I'm not sure if Hyman will be worth his next contract. I like him a lot but I think the Leafs can probably find a cheaper alternative.

I doubt Sandin and Liljegren will see significant pay increases in the next few years. If they do end up deserving it, that's a great problem to have.

Rielly is definitely a big question mark.

There may be opportunities to go with a 1a/1b goaltending tandem on the cheap. Presumably, if the team is playing more defensively responsible, and you have a monster top pairing, you won't need Georges Vezina in net. (it's also one of the reasons I really, really want the Leafs to draft Askarov...)

I'm thinking I'd rather have Petro than 2 middle pair(ish) d-men who are probably going to be paid too much with too much term and may demand a NMC/NTCs that handicap your ability to move them.

- mjones242


Good post, I also like Hyman but really depends on price. I think if the opportunity to get Pietrangelo is there, you go for it. Getting some picks and prospects to create cap space will also be great. Askarov would be excellent, but I doubt he's there at #15.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
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Sep 23 @ 11:29 AM ET
Babs just didn't like Dubas... I recall Babcock not being a fan of the Muzzin trade either
- PatC80

I think Dubas replacing McElhinney with Sparks is what pissed Babs off the most. But that's just my guess. Babs and Dubas were never on the same page.
PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 11:31 AM ET
To be honest, I'm not sure if Hyman will be worth his next contract. I like him a lot but I think the Leafs can probably find a cheaper alternative.

I doubt Sandin and Liljegren will see significant pay increases in the next few years. If they do end up deserving it, that's a great problem to have.

Rielly is definitely a big question mark.

There may be opportunities to go with a 1a/1b goaltending tandem on the cheap. Presumably, if the team is playing more defensively responsible, and you have a monster top pairing, you won't need Georges Vezina in net. (it's also one of the reasons I really, really want the Leafs to draft Askarov...)

I'm thinking I'd rather have Petro than 2 middle pair(ish) d-men who are probably going to be paid too much with too much term and may demand a NMC/NTCs that handicap your ability to move them.

- mjones242


I think if the Leafs do land Pietrangelo, (it would be great) then they can put together a trade package for another RHD. Like Johnsson and Andersen for Pesce..

gergeswillems
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Sep 23 @ 11:31 AM ET
Good post, I also like Hyman but really depends on price. I think if the opportunity to get Pietrangelo is there, you go for it. Getting some picks and prospects to create cap space will also be great. Askarov would be excellent, but I doubt he's there at #15.
- winsix

I can't see Askarov getting past Carolina at #13. He may go sooner even.
PatC80
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Sep 23 @ 11:32 AM ET
I think Dubas replacing McElhinney with Sparks is what pissed Babs off the most. But that's just my guess. Babs and Dubas were never on the same page.
- gergeswillems


yeah that too. Although, Babs didn't really play McElhinney unless he was 'forced' too on a back-to-back
gergeswillems
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Sep 23 @ 11:32 AM ET
I think if the Leafs do land Pietrangelo, (it would be great) then they can put together a trade package for another RHD. Like Johnsson and Andersen for Pesce..
- PatC80

Leafs would likely have to take Mrazek back if the Canes are getting Freddy.
PatC80
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Sep 23 @ 11:33 AM ET
I can't see Askarov getting past Carolina at #13. He may go sooner even.
- gergeswillems


Naw, Carolina won't draft a goalie. They'll trade for Andersen or Kuemper
gergeswillems
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Sep 23 @ 11:33 AM ET
Naw, Carolina won't draft a goalie. They'll trade for Andersen or Kuemper
- PatC80

Why can't they do both?
PatC80
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Sep 23 @ 11:34 AM ET
Leafs would likely have to take Mrazek back if the Canes are getting Freddy.
- gergeswillems


deal. Mrazek and Pesce for Andersen and Johnsson
PatC80
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Sep 23 @ 11:34 AM ET
Why can't they do both?
- gergeswillems


cause I want the Leafs to draft Askarov... that's why
winsix
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Sep 23 @ 11:35 AM ET
I can't see

Askarov getting past Carolina at #13. He may go sooner even.

- gergeswillems


I agree
gergeswillems
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Sep 23 @ 11:35 AM ET
deal. Mrazek and Pesce for Andersen and Johnsson
- PatC80

Johnsson is coming off injury. I don't know if the Canes would want him or not. Would he get along with all those Finns? 😂
PatC80
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Sep 23 @ 11:39 AM ET
Johnsson is coming off injury. I don't know if the Canes would want him or not. Would he get along with all those Finns? 😂
- gergeswillems


Yeah but he did score 20 goals the year before... Also, I don't think Aho or Teravainen would avoid passing the puck to him.
gergeswillems
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Sep 23 @ 11:43 AM ET
Florida guy is saying Matheson was traded for Hornqvist?
RogerRoeper
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Sep 23 @ 11:44 AM ET
Florida guy is saying Matheson was traded for Hornqvist?
- gergeswillems



Yup.

I'm sure Florida wanted/needed out from under that contract.
PatC80
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Sep 23 @ 11:44 AM ET
Florida guy is saying Matheson was traded for Hornqvist?
- gergeswillems


What?
Canada Cup
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Sep 23 @ 11:44 AM ET
To be honest, I'm not sure if Hyman will be worth his next contract. I like him a lot but I think the Leafs can probably find a cheaper alternative.

I doubt Sandin and Liljegren will see significant pay increases in the next few years. If they do end up deserving it, that's a great problem to have.

Rielly is definitely a big question mark.

There may be opportunities to go with a 1a/1b goaltending tandem on the cheap. Presumably, if the team is playing more defensively responsible, and you have a monster top pairing, you won't need Georges Vezina in net. (it's also one of the reasons I really, really want the Leafs to draft Askarov...)

I'm thinking I'd rather have Petro than 2 middle pair(ish) d-men who are probably going to be paid too much with too much term and may demand a NMC/NTCs that handicap your ability to move them.

- mjones242


I don’t want 2 middle pair types. I want one top pair guy who costs less than $9M or $8.5M. I want someone who can give us responsible defensive play and all those things but still leaves us some room. Whether it’s Hyman or Rielly or Lehtonen, it’s everybody and everything. Nobody’s gone through a stalled cap before and I’m not convinced that the difference between Pietrangelo and the next best guy is worth being so constrained for the foreseeable future.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:44 AM ET
yeah that too. Although, Babs didn't really play McElhinney unless he was 'forced' too on a back...
- PatC80



Oh,,, My
senstroll
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Sep 23 @ 11:44 AM ET
It's projecting that Pietrangelo will not age well, has him below average for 6 seasons.. I don't know how I feel about that.
- PatC80


that is the average of all the D above.

its a list of D who have aged very well. if he is going to hang with those comps to age 36....umm thats great
PatC80
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Sep 23 @ 11:46 AM ET
Yup.

I'm sure Florida wanted/needed out from under that contract.

- RogerRoeper

Same goes for the Penguins...

Not sure I understand this trade.. it's similar to the Staal for Johannssen deal
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 23 @ 11:46 AM ET
[email protected] Panthers where they give their signing bonuses last 3 years of a deal.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:46 AM ET
I don’t want 2 middle pair types. I want one top pair guy who costs less than $9M or $8.5M. I want someone who can give us responsible defensive play and all those things but still leaves us some room. Whether it’s Hyman or Rielly or Lehtonen, it’s everybody and everything. Nobody’s gone through a stalled cap before and I’m not convinced that the difference between Pietrangelo and the next best guy is worth being so constrained for the foreseeable future.
- Canada Cup



Tampa have ONLY 3 D men signed for next year..... Not good. they have just over 5 mil to spend. Maybe some mid pay guys would be the way to go.

Who knows.
gergeswillems
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Sep 23 @ 11:47 AM ET
What?
- PatC80

LeBrun says it's not official yet.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:48 AM ET
[email protected] Panthers where they give their signing bonuses last 3 years of a deal.
- RogerRoeper



Florida are spending 24 mil on 4 D men. Seems high.
RogerRoeper
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 03.27.2007

Sep 23 @ 11:48 AM ET
Tampa have ONLY 3 D men signed for next year..... Not good. they have just over 5 mil to spend. Maybe some mid pay guys would be the way to go.

Who knows.

- bixll


They really need to win the cup. Not sure they'll ever be this good again
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