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gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 23 @ 3:16 PM ET
As a young kid, I had a problem with this one;



- PatC80

Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 23 @ 3:17 PM ET
Why?

If Petro gets what he cant have with the Blues? and The Blues get some comp for it?

- Santo_44


Because it has literally never happened in the NHL?

The odds aren't 0%, but describing something that has never happened as "unrealistic" is fair.

Bleedz_Blue
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.21.2011

Sep 23 @ 3:18 PM ET
do the leafs want to bother with the LTIR thing again?
- senstroll


I think we almost have to if we want to upgrade. Too much money on too few players we need the relief without gouging our offence.

No single team has everything I would want for Marner..and be able to get it... let alone take on his contract.

So it's willy for some D help and LTIR to allow us to upgrade more...


Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:19 PM ET
Sign and trades just simply don't happen in the NHL.

I could guess at a few reasons why, but at the end of the day, we are back where we started:

Sign and trades just simply don't happen in the NHL.

- Atomic Wedgie

It could happen given the main problem is contract structure.

A sign and trade is a strong option to fix that.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:19 PM ET
Because it has literally never happened in the NHL?

The odds aren't 0%, but describing something that has never happened as "unrealistic" is fair.

- Leafs43

its 2020.

If the Leafs get Petro it will take creativity.

Bottom line is if the leafs get Petro it will take some work and creative moves.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 23 @ 3:21 PM ET
I think we almost have to if we want to upgrade. Too much money on too few players we need the relief without gouging our offence.

No single team has everything I would want for Marner..and be able to get it... let alone take on his contract.

So it's willy for some D help and LTIR to allow us to upgrade more...

- Bleedz_Blue



ill dig up the article again, but Mirtle did a pretty thorough job of explaining why they dont want to use LTIR anymore..it was a very unique specific circumstance why they did the last few seasons..but its not ideal.

now unless since july something has drastically changed, they probably wont do that
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:22 PM ET
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Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 23 @ 3:29 PM ET
I think we almost have to if we want to upgrade. Too much money on too few players we need the relief without gouging our offence.

No single team has everything I would want for Marner..and be able to get it... let alone take on his contract.

So it's willy for some D help and LTIR to allow us to upgrade more...

- Bleedz_Blue


Leafs don't want to go anywhere near LTIR.

Last year was a specific circumstance where they were already using LTIR (with Horton) so it was mildly beneficial to acquire more LTIR money with Clarkson.

This year - there is no one on LTIR. acquiring LTIR contracts takes away a team's ability to accrue cap space throughout the year and make deals at the deadline.

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:30 PM ET
Wonder what the price would be on Crouse?

2nd? 3rd?
Leafsmart
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Joined: 12.18.2013

Sep 23 @ 3:34 PM ET
I think we almost have to if we want to upgrade. Too much money on too few players we need the relief without gouging our offence.

No single team has everything I would want for Marner..and be able to get it... let alone take on his contract.

So it's willy for some D help and LTIR to allow us to upgrade more...

- Bleedz_Blue

Agree. I asked the question yesterday on a one for one deal. The comparable was Seth Jones. Who Columbus will not be trading. So we would come up short on any other package for sure.
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:37 PM ET
PPP had a nice article on Petro.

It would be a but of a gamble but if you are a team that can structure the contract the way he wants and can move some cap out you improve your team by a (frank) load.

a 2nd pairing and a 3rd pairing would help but statistical evidence suggest having a top 10 D in the league makes your D good. Pair him with a 3rd pairing D and you still get a top pairing.

It is a no brainer. Him and Holl would still be a fantastic pairing. He won the cup with Joel Edmondson as his most common partner.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 3:39 PM ET
Why?

Were you a Flyers fan?

- Atomic Wedgie



I really like Wregget as a Leaf. The next trade that made me sad, at that time was the Clark for Sundin trade.. I love Wendel..
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 3:41 PM ET
Wonder what the price would be on Crouse?

2nd? 3rd?

- Santo_44


Crouse and Kuemper should be the targets for the Leafs this off-season.. Give the Coyotes picks and prospects and Johsson
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:43 PM ET
Crouse and Kuemper should be the targets for the Leafs this off-season.. Give the Coyotes picks and prospects and Johsson
- PatC80

Crouse is a bargain this season for them but will cost 2.5M the next and a 500k signing bonus.

They could wait on him but if someone offers a nice pick they may do it.

Or maybe Engvall and a late pick for Crouse.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 23 @ 3:48 PM ET
Wonder what the price would be on Crouse?

2nd? 3rd?

- Santo_44

1st +
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: He's a less intelligent Yakupov.
Joined: 03.03.2016

Sep 23 @ 3:49 PM ET

I really like Wregget as a Leaf. The next trade that made me sad, at that time was the Clark for Sundin trade.. I love Wendel..

- PatC80



Sundin > Clark
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: He's a less intelligent Yakupov.
Joined: 03.03.2016

Sep 23 @ 3:49 PM ET
1st +
- MaximusAurelius



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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 3:50 PM ET
1st +
- MaximusAurelius


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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 3:51 PM ET
Sundin > Clark
- Steven_Seagull


The summer of '94 I would have disagreed with you
Leafsmart
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Fredericton, N.B.
Joined: 12.18.2013

Sep 23 @ 3:54 PM ET
Have a feeling the trade wars will heat up once the finals are over. Still can't believe we got a first for Kappy. My feet haven't touched the floor yet. Keep 'er goin' Kyle.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 23 @ 3:54 PM ET
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- PatC80

It's the type of player leafs need.
3rd line wingers that can pk, bring some forecheck, isn't afraid to hit and can still contribute offensively. Could play top6 as well if required - might be a good fit on Matthews or Tavares LW.

Crouse, Heinen are guys that would help Leafs very much.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 23 @ 3:55 PM ET
Have a feeling the trade wars will heat up once the finals are over. Still can't believe we got a first for Kappy. My feet haven't touched the floor yet. Keep 'er goin' Kyle.
- Leafsmart

That was an outstanding trade for Dubas.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 3:55 PM ET
It's the type of player leafs need.
3rd line wingers that can pk, bring some forecheck, isn't afraid to hit and can still contribute offensively. Could play top6 as well if required - might be a good fit on Matthews or Tavares LW.

Crouse, Heinen are guys that would help Leafs very much.

- MaximusAurelius



I agree, but just because Rutherford paid a 1st rd pick for a 3rd line winger, doesn't mean Dubas should
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 23 @ 3:56 PM ET
That was an outstanding trade for Dubas.
- gergeswillems


it was.. Well, unless of course you're Steve Simmons..
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 23 @ 3:58 PM ET
The summer of '94 I would have disagreed with you
- PatC80

The 94 SCF between the Rangers and Canucks is the best SCF I've ever seen. I never saw any before 1982. Pavel Bure was unreal in those playoffs. So was Brian Leetch.
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