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Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 23 @ 4:19 PM ET
but you whiffed on nylander

The problems begin obviously with two things, his play style and his defensive game. Some would call him “soft,” which is a very accurate description. This is not a player who will grind things out or you want out there when the game is on the line and you’re protecting a 1 goal lead. He’s a high octane scorer and playmaker who will dazzle with the man advantage. Sometimes he stays on the perimeter too much or hangs onto the puck looking for the perfect play rather than getting it deep. Two things that the modern NHL can punish. The potential for Nylander is so high, it truly is, but there is risk.

- Tumbleweed

21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:19 PM ET
I hated his guts but Peter Forsberg was a hell of a player.
- gergeswillems

My all time favorite player. Bure a close 2nd!
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:19 PM ET
More of a Claude Lemieux fan?
- Steven_Seagull

Actually I loved Clod. Up until he became an Avsnot. BIG game clutch player. I hated that bastard after he plastered Draper.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 23 @ 4:20 PM ET
And my boy Forsberg still got the U20 record
- 21peter

That was probably my worst whiff ever to be honest. I didn't believe the hype. He didn't turn into what some people thought, but he turned out way better than I thought.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 23 @ 4:21 PM ET
23 year old 3rd (if generous)/4th liner. I dunno, spatso and Button had him in the top-5 which was what really angered me having actually seen him play.
- AdamFrench

Oh I don't say he should have been a top5 player.
I agree he's a 3rd liner and that he was overvalued pre draft by some - however my point is that a team needs different types of players for different types of roles.
That"s my main issue with Nylander on the Leafs (apart from being overvalued) - Leafs have Marner Matthews Tavares, so his added value for that specific role of top6 fW who needs to bring scoring is quite low (since worse at that than the other 3)
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:23 PM ET
My all time favorite player. Bure a close 2nd!
- 21peter

I'm still bitter the Red Wings didn't draft Bure. Teams passed on him because they believed he wasn't eligible due to not meeting some weird requirement. But the Canucks found out that since he played in the Goodwill games (I think it was) that he was indeed eligible to be drafted.

The Red Wings were going to take him in the later rounds anyway but the Canucks beat them to the punch. The rest as they say is history. Mogilny-Fedorov-Bure. What a WJC line that was!
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:25 PM ET
That was probably my worst whiff ever to be honest. I didn't believe the hype. He didn't turn into what some people thought, but he turned out way better than I thought.
- AdamFrench

He didn't?
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: He's a less intelligent Yakupov.
Joined: 03.03.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:25 PM ET
Oh I don't say he should have been a top5 player.
I agree he's a 3rd liner and that he was overvalued pre draft by some - however my point is that a team needs different types of players for different types of roles.
That"s my main issue with Nylander on the Leafs (apart from being overvalued) - Leafs have Marner Matthews Tavares, so his added value for that specific role of top6 fW who needs to bring scoring is quite low (since worse at that than the other 3)

- MaximusAurelius



Nylander for Max Jones, Heinen (50% retained), 27th pick
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:26 PM ET
I'm still bitter the Red Wings didn't draft Bure. Teams passed on him because they believed he wasn't eligible due to not meeting some weird requirement. But the Canucks found out that since he played in the Goodwill games (I think it was) that he was indeed eligible to be drafted.

The Red Wings were going to take him in the later rounds anyway but the Canucks beat them to the punch. The rest as they say is history. Mogilny-Fedorov-Bure. What a WJC line that was!

- gergeswillems

Bure's first game as a Nuck was f'n mental
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 23 @ 4:27 PM ET
He didn't?
- 21peter

The guys that had him at 3 had him as an 80 point guy.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:31 PM ET
Bure's first game as a Nuck was f'n mental
- 21peter

Before his knees got all screwed up Bure was the fastest guy in the league. Hence the name "The Russian Rocket."
It always seemed like he had 3 breakaways every game. Great player. 👍
dozerD10
Anaheim Ducks
Location: long beach, CA
Joined: 01.29.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:33 PM ET
Nylander for Max Jones, Heinen (50% retained), 27th pick
- Steven_Seagull




I could see that... or something along those lines.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 23 @ 4:33 PM ET
The guys that had him at 3 had him as an 80 point guy.
- AdamFrench


I have a feeling you guys are discussing different Forsbergs.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 23 @ 4:33 PM ET
thanks... What took so long?
- PatC80



2020-1967= I am extremely patient
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 23 @ 4:34 PM ET
Nylander for Max Jones, Heinen (50% retained), 27th pick
- Steven_Seagull

Heinen has a caphit of 2.8mln.
He's a better player than Johnsson and Kerfoot and they are on higher caphits. Ana wouldn't retain on a good contract.

I'd rather do:

Lindholm + Heinen

For

Nylander + 15th overall

But Leafs might end up with Cam Fowler...
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:37 PM ET
Before his knees got all screwed up Bure was the fastest guy in the league. Hence the name "The Russian Rocket."
It always seemed like he had 3 breakaways every game. Great player. 👍

- gergeswillems

Both Bure and Forsberg had great sport genes from their fathers; Bure's father was an Olympic swimmer an Forsberg's father was a powerlifter.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 23 @ 4:39 PM ET
7x8, NMC, huge bonuses at the end
- Steven_Seagull



Why is he signing for $8M, the babysitting?
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: He's a less intelligent Yakupov.
Joined: 03.03.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:39 PM ET
Why is he signing for $8M, the babysitting?
- Canada Cup



Because he’s not gonna get 9+
Bleedz_Blue
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.21.2011

Sep 23 @ 4:43 PM ET
Agree. I asked the question yesterday on a one for one deal. The comparable was Seth Jones. Who Columbus will not be trading. So we would come up short on any other package for sure.
- Leafsmart


I would do that trade all day every day.... but the Jackets would never.

I love manson - but not sure what that would take. When Willy was RFA I was begging the leafs to trade him for Manson... Manson was 26-27 years old then and had lik 4 years left on his 4.1 deal. Now's a little trickier because they don't have many RHD like Manson and they love him. WIlly is an overpayment for manson - so try to pry away Max jones as well (London Knight when Marner was there - Big Fast Forward).

However I do like the idea of taking advantage of Arizona's situation. Try get freshly signed Kuemper out of there for Freddy + maybe. They would only have to pay Freddy a million bux this year in real money and they have a starter to replace Kuemper... I like Chychrun too whose locked up - hjarlmsson won't waive.. seems like a slam dunk. We're just adding like 4.2 to our dismal capspace as is... but at least it solves goaltending (if freddy is legit not coming back) and adding a D man (LD albeit).




Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 23 @ 4:43 PM ET
I have a feeling you guys are discussing different Forsbergs.
- Leafs43

(frank), talking Filip. That's what vacation beers do.
Bleedz_Blue
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 01.21.2011

Sep 23 @ 4:47 PM ET
It's the type of player leafs need.
3rd line wingers that can pk, bring some forecheck, isn't afraid to hit and can still contribute offensively. Could play top6 as well if required - might be a good fit on Matthews or Tavares LW.

Crouse, Heinen are guys that would help Leafs very much.

- MaximusAurelius


I thought about crouse too with a kuemper deal... DEF not worth a 1st.. jeez..
I do worry about his speed. I don't watch a lot of zona hockey... but his skating is a concern... no point if he can't keep up with our forwards who all seem too be quite fleet of foot. I like him.. but I have reservations. And also not at the top of our priority list when we have Holl as our only RHD.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:48 PM ET
I have a feeling you guys are discussing different Forsbergs.
- Leafs43

Filip who?
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 23 @ 4:59 PM ET
Because he’s not gonna get 9+
- Steven_Seagull


Let's come at it a different way. There are going to be a bunch of teams going after him. If we want to be competitive on $s it is going to cost. It doesn't look like the structure of the deal is an advantage for the Leafs although one of their smart guys might be able to find a way to give him what he wants without a big cap problem.

If we can't outbid everyone, we better hope Kyle has a great presentation lined up or that he's prepared to leave $ on the table to be here. That's not impossible but my psyche is fragile and I don't want to hurt people. Again.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 23 @ 5:01 PM ET
Both Bure and Forsberg had great sport genes from their fathers; Bure's father was an Olympic swimmer an Forsberg's father was a powerlifter.
- 21peter

That's like Ovechkin. Both parents were Olympic athletes. Can't recall the sports.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 23 @ 5:09 PM ET
That's like Ovechkin. Both parents were Olympic athletes. Can't recall the sports.
- gergeswillems

If only Oleksiak had his sister's Olympic genes and not just being a 6'8 275lb 19 year old monster.
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