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bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
Of course Pettersson is likely going instead of JJ. JJ isn't going anywhere. I've said this before, but everyone needs to give up on this dream at least for the coming season.
- Rinosaur



Bought out
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
Exactly

Well, my take is still right in the strict sense, no?

- redseerpf


hahaha sure, man(?).
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
Jesse Marshall threw up some fancy stats. Essentially Matheson is comparable to Gudbranson but provided more offense on a worse team.

Totally ok with this deal if JJ is off the Penguins roster one way or another.

- drummer829


haha dude come on... he posted that tweet to make fun of the person that said they were comparable. the stats are an obvious illustration that Gudbranson is way worse.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
You mean where the author of the blog has commented 4 or 5 times and only one other Panther fan has?
- MattStrat

Most blogs on here have no following outside of a handful. Wings blog was dead until we got the new blogger.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
Give me a link to the charts please and thanks.

I used to have it bookmarked.

- MattStrat



https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 23 @ 12:50 PM ET
I cant embed these fancy charts within a comment like all you fancy millennials with your dial-up internet....

but do a comparison of Matheson and Schultz on the SKATR chart. in that sense, this is a pretty big upgrade

- YouMeAndDupuis9


It’s not though as Schulz is a RHD RD and Matheson is a LHD LD. He’s not replacing him.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 12:51 PM ET
Bought out
- bixll


Are you saying this is reported or saying you think it will happen?
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:53 PM ET
https://public.tableau.com/profile/bill.comeau#!/vizhome/SKATR2019-2020/SKATR
- YouMeAndDupuis9





j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 23 @ 12:54 PM ET



- MattStrat



Only problem is he’s not replacing Schultz. He’s a LHD LD.

If he’s replacing JJ... I’m good with it. 100%.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:54 PM ET
So as long as Schultz and JJ are BOTH gone...then the D is upgraded

MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:55 PM ET
Only problem is he’s not replacing Schultz. He’s a LHD LD.

If he’s replacing JJ... I’m good with it. 100%.

- j.boyd919


hahah me too see my next post...after yours....before this one,

THe thumbs up was thanking for the link. I obvs know he wasnt replacing Schultz.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:56 PM ET
It’s not though as Schulz is a RHD RD and Matheson is a LHD LD. He’s not replacing him.
- j.boyd919


of course... point is that right now our 2021 defense is better than our 2020 defense was.

the fact that this could signal the end of JJ would make it a home run. we dont have any idea if Pettersson gets traded because of this... but as it stands right now with Schultz out and Matheson in... there's improvement (albeit marginal)

the biggest downside to me, is potentially blocking POJ. even if JJ is moved...POJ is 5th on the LHD depth chart

Dumo
Pettersson
Matheson
Riikola
POJ

MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:57 PM ET
of course... point is that right now our 2021 defense is better than our 2020 defense was.

the fact that this could signal the end of JJ would make it a home run. we dont have any idea if Pettersson gets traded because of this... but as it stands right now with Schultz out and Matheson in... there's improvement (albeit marginal)

the biggest downside to me, is potentially blocking POJ. even if JJ is moved...POJ is 5th on the LHD depth chart

Dumo
Pettersson
Matheson
Riikola
POJ

- YouMeAndDupuis9


That left side just looks so much better with no JJ in it hahaha
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:59 PM ET
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 1:01 PM ET

- YouMeAndDupuis9


Looks pretty decent on the transition...
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 23 @ 1:02 PM ET
I don't watch many Penguins games, so I only have the Evolving Hockey website and others like it to go by, but are you playing Matheson over either of Brian Dumoulin or Marcus Pettersson on the left side?

How much better is Matheson really over how Riikola has looked in limited minutes?

Are you going to play him on his off side as an RHD over either of Letang or Marino?

The fit just doesn't seem to make sense.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 23 @ 1:03 PM ET
Are you saying this is reported or saying you think it will happen?
- Rinosaur


No, just a guess.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 1:03 PM ET

- YouMeAndDupuis9


This is what Dom posted as a reason to do a deeper dive compared to some other analytics.

I don't know anything about Dobber, but he tweeted this with some stats:

Mike Matheson - so talented. Last coach misused/clearly disliked him. Pens may have found a hidden gem if they can use him properly.

Yandle/Ekblad took all the PP time. Matheson saw just 10 minutes of PPTOI total. In those 10 minutes, team scored twice, he was in on both
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Sep 23 @ 1:03 PM ET
haha dude come on... he posted that tweet to make fun of the person that said they were comparable. the stats are an obvious illustration that Gudbranson is way worse.
- YouMeAndDupuis9


I will take Matheson in Johnson’s spot any day. Like I said, if Johnson is somehow and someway off the Pens roster, I’m fine with this deal. It also gives a little bit of cap relief and opens a spot on the 3rd line for a “younger faster” player that apparently JR wants.

I’m being a bit optimistic lol. But I just can’t see how JR could add another massive contract on defense without knowing he is dumping one. The only other large contact on defense is Johnson’s. Unless he’s completely lost his mind and is moving dumo
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 1:04 PM ET
No, just a guess.
- bixll


Yeah, this isn't happening. It's likely they will use Pettersson to acquire another piece.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
Yeah, this isn't happening. It's likely they will use Pettersson to acquire another piece.
- Rinosaur

Pettersson for Roslovic. Squeeze in Tanev.

Dumo - Letang
Matheson - Marino
JJ - Tanev


Lol.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Washington, DC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Sep 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
No, just a guess.
- bixll

This organizations doesn’t buy players out.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 1:06 PM ET
I don't watch many Penguins games, so I only have the Evolving Hockey website and others like it to go by, but are you playing Matheson over either of Brian Dumoulin or Marcus Pettersson on the left side?

How much better is Matheson really over how Riikola has looked in limited minutes?

Are you going to play him on his off side as an RHD over either of Letang or Marino?

The fit just doesn't seem to make sense.

- kingcong39


Its not making much sense to any of us who do watch every, or almost every Pens game. There's definitely more moves coming whcih is even more scary because it probably means that Pettersson is gone.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
I don't watch many Penguins games, so I only have the Evolving Hockey website and others like it to go by, but are you playing Matheson over either of Brian Dumoulin or Marcus Pettersson on the left side?

How much better is Matheson really over how Riikola has looked in limited minutes?

Are you going to play him on his off side as an RHD over either of Letang or Marino?

The fit just doesn't seem to make sense.

- kingcong39

JR is making trades until he has destroyed the team for the next 10 years.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 1:07 PM ET
This is what Dom posted as a reason to do a deeper dive compared to some other analytics.

I don't know anything about Dobber, but he tweeted this with some stats:

- Rinosaur


Dobber knows his stuff. He does all the prospect ratings very well.


@DobberHockey
I've been following Matheson since he was 18, before the NHL. I have felt strongly about him throughout, so perhaps I'm biased. But if used right, he can be a star. Disagree on decision making.
Not many players get my love like this. He's been one. Frustrating to see his usage
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