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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 23 @ 3:33 PM ET
Staal and a 3rd rounder...done? haha

What would you give up for Pettersson AND Murray?

EDIT: I thought Staal was signed another year or two....better make it a 2nd rounder

- MattStrat


LOL, nothing because there is zero interest in Murray, at least for me.

I think the Sabres also decided to look at other options for goaltending.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:45 PM ET
Is/was there not a single RD available for Horny... You know RD, an organizational need, that could of been had instead of an overpaid 3rd pair LD....because if there was you do that and then not have to overpay in free agency for a 3rd pair RD...

Has Math ever played RD as a lefty at all?
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:46 PM ET
LOL, nothing because there is zero interest in Murray, at least for me.

I think the Sabres also decided to look at other options for goaltending.

- kingcong39


Haha understandably, on both.
123Kid
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: PA
Joined: 07.03.2017

Sep 23 @ 3:51 PM ET
Idk why JR is acquiring Matheson he sounds like a more expensive Riikola.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 3:55 PM ET
Is/was there not a single RD available for Horny... You know RD, an organizational need, that could of been had instead of an overpaid 3rd pair LD....because if there was you do that and then not have to overpay in free agency for a 3rd pair RD...

Has Math ever played RD as a lefty at all?

- MattStrat

LD only. Always plays with a righty.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 3:55 PM ET
trade of an overpaid 3rd liner for overpaid 3rd pairing d-man is apparently what gets everyone's emotions at peak
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 3:56 PM ET
If this goes through I think the Pens need to do two things:

Sign Kovy, hopefully as close to $1M as possible.

Trade Pettersson + Murray to Ottawa for a 2nd + Connor Brown's rights then extend him.

I say this because one of Dumo or Petts are gone. There's no way around this and don't say move JJ, because we all know that's not happening, so get the most of what you can.

I took a look around at teams that IMO Pettersson makes sense to go to, and there were just no good 3C fits either because of money or quality.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:03 PM ET
If this goes through I think the Pens need to do two things:

Sign Kovy, hopefully as close to $1M as possible.

Trade Pettersson + Murray to Ottawa for a 2nd + Connor Brown's rights then extend him.

I say this because one of Dumo or Petts are gone. There's no way around this and don't say move JJ, because we all know that's not happening, so get the most of what you can.

I took a look around at teams that IMO Pettersson makes sense to go to, and there were just no good 3C fits either because of money or quality.

- Rinosaur


Just thinking outside the box... Buffalo needs LD and has too many RD. perhaps there could be a swap of Pettersson and Montour? (ironically, Montour is who the Pens wanted from ANA in the Sprong deal to begin with)

Or Pettersson to WPG for Copp?

MisterBrown
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.10.2020

Sep 23 @ 4:28 PM ET
Lotta smooth brain ideas flowing here
- Feds91Stammer

Lols
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:29 PM ET
Just thinking outside the box... Buffalo needs LD and has too many RD. perhaps there could be a swap of Pettersson and Montour? (ironically, Montour is who the Pens wanted from ANA in the Sprong deal to begin with)

Or Pettersson to WPG for Copp?

- YouMeAndDupuis9


Pens would simply be spending too much money on their defense as a whole vs. how good they'd actually be, not to mention there would be no money left over fill out the forward group.

WPG is definitely in need of Pettersson, but I don't think Copp or Lowry are enough for what the Pens need and they'd definitely have to add in that return.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:43 PM ET
trade of an overpaid 3rd liner for overpaid 3rd pairing d-man is apparently what gets everyone's emotions at peak
- YouMeAndDupuis9

This is an oversimplification. The 3rd line wing is (or should be) a top PP contributor. They don't have anyone to step into that role.

They already had 2 or 3 bottom pair LD, so they didn't need another. And a 3rd pair defender shouldn't be the 2nd highest paid defenseman on the team.

Yes, both were overpaid, but Hornqvist had a role.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Sep 23 @ 4:52 PM ET
Gawd... Unless JJ is leaving, I just don't get this. 8mil tied up in 2 bottom pairing LD's. I guess Petts will be leaving now? Not a huge fan of Petts, but I think he's mostly competent.

It's kind of funny how the JJ mistake just keeps snowballing.

They will miss Hornie. They have no one capable of that role.
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 4:55 PM ET
Pens would simply be spending too much money on their defense as a whole vs. how good they'd actually be, not to mention there would be no money left over fill out the forward group.

WPG is definitely in need of Pettersson, but I don't think Copp or Lowry are enough for what the Pens need and they'd definitely have to add in that return.

- Rinosaur



Fair point on about spending too much money on defense.. though that's exactly where we're at today. if you take JJ out of the equation...Letang, Dumo, Marino, Matheson, Montour, POJ, Riikola, Ruhwedel is an impressively mobile top 8.

I'd prefer to get a forward in return and I somewhat agree with you on Copp/Lowry as I'd rather get more offense.

But I feel that Copp is the kind of player the Pens mgmt wants in the 3C role. Very solid two-way play... great leadership.... young... and saves us ~$2M in cap space. Even has good chemistry with Tanev.


McCann, Copp, Tanev, Blueger, Poulin is a great start for the bottom 6.
Beatnic57
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 10.08.2019

Sep 23 @ 4:57 PM ET
If this goes through I think the Pens need to do two things:

Sign Kovy, hopefully as close to $1M as possible.

Trade Pettersson + Murray to Ottawa for a 2nd + Connor Brown's rights then extend him.

I say this because one of Dumo or Petts are gone. There's no way around this and don't say move JJ, because we all know that's not happening, so get the most of what you can.

I took a look around at teams that IMO Pettersson makes sense to go to, and there were just no good 3C fits either because of money or quality.

- Rinosaur


I was completely on the Kovy train. But I don't think we can get him that cheap, and the Pens have something against him for some reason... This was made obvious by them giving up an asset to get Marleau vs giving up no assets to get Kovy. That's not even Monday Morning QBing. Kovy signed a 2 way contract!
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 4:59 PM ET
Fair point on about spending too much money on defense.. though that's exactly where we're at today. if you take JJ out of the equation...Letang, Dumo, Marino, Matheson, Montour, POJ, Riikola, Ruhwedel is an impressively mobile top 8.

I'd prefer to get a forward in return and I somewhat agree with you on Copp/Lowry as I'd rather get more offense.

But I feel that Copp is the kind of player the Pens mgmt wants in the 3C role. Very solid two-way play... great leadership.... young... and saves us ~$2M in cap space. Even has good chemistry with Tanev.


McCann, Copp, Tanev, Blueger, Poulin is a great start for the bottom 6.

- YouMeAndDupuis9


To your first point, the position we're in today is because of the trade. It wasn't like that yesterday. A dman needs to leave.

I don't HATE that bottoms six, but you'd be leaving around $2.5M to spend on the 3rd RW and I'm not sure what they're going to get for that. There's more quality cheap LW options for the Pens if they leave McCann at C. If they can spend $3 to $4M at 3rd RW they can a decent piece.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 5:20 PM ET
Do you think RW is sitting somewhere with a blog about this trade already wrote getting an itchy trigger finger?
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 23 @ 5:21 PM ET
Do you think RW is sitting somewhere with a blog about this trade already wrote getting an itchy trigger finger?
- MattStrat


He's just trying to soak the comment section on this blog before he submits his hot take of graphs and JJ/GMJR hate


MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 5:27 PM ET
LD only. Always plays with a righty.
- Feds91Stammer


Your truths hurt, Feds....but I need them none the less.

I'm just trying to find some silver to be scraping off the lining of this latest turd sandwich JR has fixed us up.
Thunderbolt
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Wampum, PA
Joined: 01.20.2014

Sep 23 @ 5:28 PM ET
Looks like we are going to see Johnson back on the right side.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 5:29 PM ET
Do you think RW is sitting somewhere with a blog about this trade already wrote getting an itchy trigger finger?
- MattStrat


He's locked and loaded for when it's official.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 23 @ 6:05 PM ET
Pens would simply be spending too much money on their defense as a whole vs. how good they'd actually be, not to mention there would be no money left over fill out the forward group.

WPG is definitely in need of Pettersson, but I don't think Copp or Lowry are enough for what the Pens need and they'd definitely have to add in that return.

- Rinosaur


I believe you are way underselling Copp. He is outstanding and severely underrated.

He would be an ideal 3C for you.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Sep 23 @ 6:09 PM ET
Just thinking outside the box... Buffalo needs LD and has too many RD. perhaps there could be a swap of Pettersson and Montour? (ironically, Montour is who the Pens wanted from ANA in the Sprong deal to begin with)

Or Pettersson to WPG for Copp?

- YouMeAndDupuis9


The Sabres absolutely need an LHD like Pettersson, and if they were smart, they would make a move like Montour for him, but as another poster pointed out, it doesn't really help the Penguins as their pairings seem set with Dumoulin and Matheson on the left side and Letang and Marino on the right side.

Spending $7M combined between Johnson and Montour for a 3rd pairing is far less than ideal.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Sep 23 @ 6:09 PM ET
When does it ever take this long for a trade to go through? Fingers crossed it is fake news.

I actually wouldn't mind Matheson if we didn't have JJ and Florida was sending back a 1st or 2nd

It just seems completely counter-intuitive. If the Pens were planning an internal cap, why would they trade for someone overpaid with a backlogged contract?
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 6:14 PM ET
When does it ever take this long for a trade to go through? Fingers crossed it is fake news.

I actually wouldn't mind Matheson if we didn't have JJ and Florida was sending back a 1st or 2nd

It just seems completely counter-intuitive. If the Pens were planning an internal cap, why would they trade for someone overpaid with a backlogged contract?

- MacPatty


Friedman just wrote a blog about it .. didn't exactly inspire confidence that the deal will get done
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 6:21 PM ET
I believe you are way underselling Copp. He is outstanding and severely underrated.

He would be an ideal 3C for you.

- kingcong39


The more I think about it...I think that might be the perfect move.

I mean I made the Pettersson for Copp suggestion under the assumption that Matheson was here. If that trade falls through... I still think we could find a good enough LD because Marino is so good he doesn't need a great partner. (Obviously better than Jack Johnson but you get my point)
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