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Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Sep 23 @ 11:55 AM ET
Seems Horny was a spare part that didn't fit anymore and there is always a commodity with defenseman

Probably better then trading Horny and having to retain $$ and pickings could have been slim with the NTC

33 year old diminishing Forward for a 26 year old defenseman

meh, the more defense we have, the less chance JJ is here or plays going forward

- TheGame316

You get it.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Sep 23 @ 11:57 AM ET
Horny sucks. He only has value on the powerplay in front of the net (something I think another guy can replace him on)... if the Penguins are serious about getting faster, trading Hornqvist was the only move.

I dont love getting a guy like Matheson, but I think he could be easier to move than Hornqvist was.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 11:59 AM ET
Horny sucks. He only has value on the powerplay in front of the net (something I think another guy can replace him on)... if the Penguins are serious about getting faster, trading Hornqvist was the only move.

I dont love getting a guy like Matheson, but I think he could be easier to move than Hornqvist was.

- SuperHenderson13


Easy to move? What team would want a six year contract for a 3rd pairing dman making just under $5M? Oh wait.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Sep 23 @ 12:01 PM ET
What team would want a six year contract for a 3rd pairing dman making just under $5M? Oh wait.
- Rinosaur

You can't label the guy before watching what he brings to the table man. Just be happy we traded a $5.3M contract from our 3rd line in order to be a faster team.
Matheson is not the garbage some people are saying. 26yo too.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:01 PM ET
Players that were better than Matheson last season:
Bortuzzo
Engelland
Del Zotto
Ruhwedel
Gudbranson
Hamhuis
Tanev
Gudas
Merrill
Borowiecki
Biega

And tons more including guys nobody has ever heard of
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:02 PM ET
You can't label the guy before watching what he brings to the table man. Just be happy we traded a $5.3M contract from our 3rd line in order to be a faster team.
Matheson is not the garbage some people are saying. 26yo too.

- Barnaby36

Hey dumbass he’s been in the league for 4 seasons now. You know what you’re getting. You did the same poop with JJ. Just give him a chance first. Lmao.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 23 @ 12:03 PM ET
You can't label the guy before watching what he brings to the table man. Just be happy we traded a $5.3M contract from our 3rd line in order to be a faster team.
Matheson is not the garbage some people are saying. 26yo too.

- Barnaby36


You said this with JJ. And you absolutely can. That’s the sweet world we live in with technology of game tapes and statistics.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Sep 23 @ 12:03 PM ET
You can't label the guy before watching what he brings to the table man. Just be happy we traded a $5.3M contract from our 3rd line in order to be a faster team.
Matheson is not the garbage some people are saying. 26yo too.

- Barnaby36


He was FLA's 6th dman by ice time.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:04 PM ET
You can't label the guy before watching what he brings to the table man. Just be happy we traded a $5.3M contract from our 3rd line in order to be a faster team.
Matheson is not the garbage some people are saying. 26yo too.

- Barnaby36


Everyone here pretending they're an expert on someone who plays on the 2nd/3rd pairing in FLORIDA

like anyone here has watched more than a passing 5 minutes of a Panthers game

The chief complaint was/is the 3rd line. We all agreed Horn doesn't fit on a 3rd line if the goal is speed and possession. He's not in the top 6

Everyone with ideas of all the better trades out there forgetting GMJR has to also find a team willing to make that trade also
Wildschwein
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.17.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:05 PM ET
He was FLA's 6th dman by ice time.
- Blackstrom2


He was very noticeable in the preliminaries. Just not in a good way.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:06 PM ET
You can't label the guy before watching what he brings to the table man. Just be happy we traded a $5.3M contract from our 3rd line in order to be a faster team.
Matheson is not the garbage some people are saying. 26yo too.

- Barnaby36

You always say this as if these guys haven't been in the league for a while so we have a pretty good idea who they are. Every now and then a guy flips a switch when traded, Gudbranson cones to mind, but the change of scenery deal rarely works out.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:07 PM ET
Everyone here pretending they're an expert on someone who plays on the 2nd/3rd pairing in FLORIDA

like anyone here has watched more than a passing 5 minutes of a Panthers game

The chief complaint was/is the 3rd line. We all agreed Horn doesn't fit on a 3rd line if the goal is speed and possession. He's not in the top 6

Everyone with ideas of all the better trades out there forgetting GMJR has to also find a team willing to make that trade also

- TheGame316

Some people here regularly watch teams that happen to play in the same division as Florida. He fails the eye test and the stats test but hey iTs A gOoD tRaDe.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:08 PM ET
Everyone here pretending they're an expert on someone who plays on the 2nd/3rd pairing in FLORIDA

like anyone here has watched more than a passing 5 minutes of a Panthers game

The chief complaint was/is the 3rd line. We all agreed Horn doesn't fit on a 3rd line if the goal is speed and possession. He's not in the top 6

Everyone with ideas of all the better trades out there forgetting GMJR has to also find a team willing to make that trade also

- TheGame316

3rd line should be sheltered at 5v5 and be your PP specialists.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Sep 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
He was very noticeable in the preliminaries. Just not in a good way.
- Wildschwein


Apparently he was healthy scratched multiple times last year, and twice in the "playoffs". Yikes.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 12:09 PM ET
You can't label the guy before watching what he brings to the table man. Just be happy we traded a $5.3M contract from our 3rd line in order to be a faster team.
Matheson is not the garbage some people are saying. 26yo too.

- Barnaby36


See here's why you're wrong. You only watch the Pens, so that's why your opinion of so many non-Penguin players is always so off. I, like many here, actually watch many non-Penguin games throughout the season.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 23 @ 12:12 PM ET
Everyone here pretending they're an expert on someone who plays on the 2nd/3rd pairing in FLORIDA

like anyone here has watched more than a passing 5 minutes of a Panthers game

The chief complaint was/is the 3rd line. We all agreed Horn doesn't fit on a 3rd line if the goal is speed and possession. He's not in the top 6

Everyone with ideas of all the better trades out there forgetting GMJR has to also find a team willing to make that trade also

- TheGame316


I live in Florida and watch their games regularly. But Hokay.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 12:14 PM ET
Ok, I'll say this...

Mattheson is bad at hockey. He's less bad at hockey than Johnson, but his contract is twice as bad as Johnson's on a team that already has a surplus of LDs and major cap restraints.
MaximumBone
Seattle Kraken
Location: Look at how erect McDavid is- BB
Joined: 06.15.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:14 PM ET
Comparing him to Johnson is pretty wrong unless you're comparing him to Johnson from 2013-14 until 2016-17. Johnson is atrocious relative to his team in every stretch of play aside from that one while Matheson is a pretty normal negative impact.

Johnson the past three years:
-5.6%, -6.4% & -7.8% relFF
-9.9%, -16.8% & -8.1% relGF
-6.0%, -9.4%, % -8.6% relHDCF

Matheson the past three years:
+0.21%, -2.3% & -1.2% relFF
-2.6%, -5.2% & -3.4% relGF
-1.4%, -2.1%, % -4.5% relHDCF

So not good, but considering his deployment in that 2nd year of the sample (44% of his TOI against top competition), I'm willing to soften my judgement of him to not lump him in with Jack Johnson.

EDIT: This is also while playing clear cut 1st/2nd pairing EV minutes (17:35/game, 18:08/game & 15:50/game) with one of the seasons involving hard matchups.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:15 PM ET
Everyone here pretending Hornqvist was OV and every team in the league made multiple offers to GMJR

Diminishing 33 year old winger who's getting more injury prone with a NM/NTC

Maybe it's just trash for trash and its the best we could do

was Simon/McCann/Horn anything we needed to see more of?
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:16 PM ET
Easy to move? What team would want a six year contract for a 3rd pairing dman making just under $5M? Oh wait.
- Rinosaur

So no other GM in the league overvalues certain assets lol?

I was purely talking about Horny having a NTC versus Matheson currently not having a NTC.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 23 @ 12:16 PM ET
Does GMJR have a Matheson fetish?

Maybe he thought he was getting Mike Hoffman, not Mike Matheson?
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Sep 23 @ 12:17 PM ET
Elliotte Friedman
@FriedgeHNIC
·
1m
I’m told there’s a “glitch” with the FLA/PIT trade. It was definitely in progress. We will see if it gets worked out.

- jimbro83


Hoping the glitch is that its Ekblad coming back, not Matheson.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 23 @ 12:17 PM ET
Everyone here pretending Hornqvist was OV and every team in the league made multiple offers to GMJR

Diminishing 33 year old winger who's getting more injury prone with a NM/NTC

Maybe it's just trash for trash and its the best we could do

was Simon/McCann/Horn anything we needed to see more of?

- TheGame316


Even if it's trash for trash, you traded 3 years of trash for 6 years of trash.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 12:18 PM ET
Everyone here pretending Hornqvist was OV and every team in the league made multiple offers to GMJR

Diminishing 33 year old winger who's getting more injury prone with a NM/NTC

Maybe it's just trash for trash and its the best we could do

was Simon/McCann/Horn anything we needed to see more of?

- TheGame316


This logic is so severely wrong. I've been very vocal that I think Hornqvist is no longer a good fit for this team, but he's far from trash. He's still a good player who does some good things. Calling this trade Trash-for-Trash is just wrong and it also makes the defense worse than it is now.

So depending on who takes Hornqvist's spot and while I wasn't a huge fan of his anymore, you can always do worse. You've now potentially weakened the bottom six and definitely made the defense worse.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 12:18 PM ET
Hoping the glitch is that its Ekblad coming back, not Matheson.
- MacPatty


Something tells me spelling wasn't the problem here.
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