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TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:40 PM ET
Ron Hainsey scored a fancy goal once, too.
- Rinosaur


We won a Stanley Cup with Ron Hainsey on the top pair
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 12:41 PM ET
Goddammit.

At least Marshall seems to think he’s a legitimate hockey player but $4+ mil for a bottom pairing defenseman is a death poll even if he can hold his own on the bottom pair.

- Victoro311


Dom Luszczyszyn, who I think really knows his poop, is saying a deeper dive needs to be done. He showed stats that were terrible and some that were positive, so I'll be curious what he turns up.
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 23 @ 12:41 PM ET
We won a Stanley Cup with Ron Hainsey on the top pair
- TheGame316


Yeah Pens lucked their way to that one, skewing a winning formula for their GM for years to come.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:42 PM ET
We won a Stanley Cup with Ron Hainsey on the top pair
- TheGame316


In a way that is almost down right impossible statistically.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:42 PM ET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2rcChXXvBY&feature=youtu.be

Yep, spitting image of JJ

- TheGame316

Yep really shows his defensive play and not his skating abilities that are similar to JJs.
stevens87
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: JTISAPOS, PA
Joined: 10.05.2005

Sep 23 @ 12:43 PM ET
Yeah Pens lucked their way to that one, skewing a winning formula for their GM for years to come.
- j.boyd919


How do you luck your way to 16 playoff wins?
redseerpf
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.14.2019

Sep 23 @ 12:43 PM ET
Stats or no stats, it's unanimous on the Panthers thread : regardless of the return, they couldn't be happier that he's gone.
SuperHenderson13
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 10.13.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Dom Luszczyszyn, who I think really knows his poop, is saying a deeper dive needs to be done. He showed stats that were terrible and some that were positive, so I'll be curious what he turns up.
- Rinosaur

My understanding is he had a good season 2 or 3 years back (hence the contract) and then was completely awful last year.

This isnt brutal trade as far as I'm concerned, but it is obviously based on what Matheson shows up and what corresponding moves Rutherford makes.

Some people just like to complain for the sake of complaining. Save that for when Rutherford trades Rust.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Dom Luszczyszyn, who I think really knows his poop, is saying a deeper dive needs to be done. He showed stats that were terrible and some that were positive, so I'll be curious what he turns up.
- Rinosaur

Which basically says he is a terrible decision maker but is athletic enough to mask those at times. Sound familiar?
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
I cant embed these fancy charts within a comment like all you fancy millennials with your dial-up internet....

but do a comparison of Matheson and Schultz on the SKATR chart. in that sense, this is a pretty big upgrade
drummer829
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.12.2010

Sep 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Jesse Marshall threw up some fancy stats. Essentially Matheson is comparable to Gudbranson but provided more offense on a worse team.

Totally ok with this deal if JJ is off the Penguins roster one way or another.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:44 PM ET
Stats or no stats, it's unanimous on the Panthers thread : regardless of the return, they couldn't be happier that he's gone.
- redseerpf


Panthers are a fan base that is desperate for anything to cling to that resembles hope
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:45 PM ET
How do you luck your way to 16 playoff wins?
- stevens87


It obviously wasnt all luck...but there was a ton of it.

That run took years off my life because the Pens, in 3 out of the 4 series and especially the 1st two, were majorly out played and chanced but would hang around in games due to crazy opportunistic scoring and lights out goaltending. This was very stressful viewing that went on for 2 months haha.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:46 PM ET
Stats or no stats, it's unanimous on the Panthers thread : regardless of the return, they couldn't be happier that he's gone.
- redseerpf


You mean where the author of the blog has commented 4 or 5 times and only one other Panther fan has?
YouMeAndDupuis9
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 06.09.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:47 PM ET
Dom Luszczyszyn, who I think really knows his poop, is saying a deeper dive needs to be done. He showed stats that were terrible and some that were positive, so I'll be curious what he turns up.
- Rinosaur


Normally I'd agree though he mentioned Hornqvist's "play driving ability" as a positive so....losing some credibility points there.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:47 PM ET
Panthers are a fan base that is desperate for anything to cling to that resembles hope
- TheGame316

The irony.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:47 PM ET
How do you luck your way to 16 playoff wins?
- stevens87

Small sample sizes and goalies standing on their heads.
MattStrat
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: St. John's, NF
Joined: 12.12.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
I cant embed these fancy charts within a comment like all you fancy millennials with your dial-up internet....

but do a comparison of Matheson and Schultz on the SKATR chart. in that sense, this is a pretty big upgrade

- YouMeAndDupuis9


Give me a link to the charts please and thanks.

I used to have it bookmarked.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Washington, DC
Joined: 06.17.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
Stats or no stats, it's unanimous on the Panthers thread : regardless of the return, they couldn't be happier that he's gone.
- redseerpf

It’s definitely a poop for poop trade but I definitely think we got the worse end of the poop here. There is a microscopic chance that maybe Matheson could pull it together on a better team due to physical gifts, but that is not something I’ll be holding my breath for. Also, I don’t at all believe for a second this is a precursor to a Johnson trade which makes this all that much more inexplicable.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
I cant embed these fancy charts within a comment like all you fancy millennials with your dial-up internet....

but do a comparison of Matheson and Schultz on the SKATR chart. in that sense, this is a pretty big upgrade

- YouMeAndDupuis9

One weird thing I saw on his SKATR chart, he was in the 86% on TOI against elites over the past 2 years. That's odd usage for a guy you sometimes healthy scratch.
redseerpf
Calgary Flames
Joined: 06.14.2019

Sep 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
You mean where the author of the blog has commented 4 or 5 times and only one other Panther fan has?
- MattStrat


Exactly

Well, my take is still right in the strict sense, no?
j.boyd919
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Tampa, FL
Joined: 06.14.2011

Sep 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
Jesse Marshall threw up some fancy stats. Essentially Matheson is comparable to Gudbranson but provided more offense on a worse team.

Totally ok with this deal if JJ is off the Penguins roster one way or another.

- drummer829


This is really the only thing that matters. If JJ doesn’t play because of the deal, I’m cool with it. If he trades Petts because of this deal and Matheson and JJ are both in the lineup regularly, it’s a fail.
TheGame316
Joined: 11.18.2008

Sep 23 @ 12:48 PM ET
It obviously wasnt all luck...but there was a ton of it.

That run took years off my life because the Pens, in 3 out of the 4 series and especially the 1st two, were majorly out played and chanced but would hang around in games due to crazy opportunistic scoring and lights out goaltending. This was very stressful viewing that went on for 2 months haha.

- MattStrat


Funny thing , I remember after that cup win I thought it would have been the perfect time to do a mini-rebuild, New England Patriots style, and collect assets for guys at their high value mark

Too tempting to go for the 3-peat, but Murray, Kessel, Horn, Schultz, and a few others could have collected a haul and we'd be on the upswing with it right about now
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
Normally I'd agree though he mentioned Hornqvist's "play driving ability" as a positive so....losing some credibility points there.
- YouMeAndDupuis9


Nobody is ever 100%, but he's someone who really complies a lot data and plenty of it can be open to interpretation as far as which stat is more valid than others.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 23 @ 12:49 PM ET
One weird thing I saw on his SKATR chart, he was in the 86% on TOI against elites over the past 2 years. That's odd usage for a guy you sometimes healthy scratch.
- Tojo.

They thought he was good hence the contract and realized he sucks this past season
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