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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:42 AM ET
1) see if the kings would want marner for vilardi + moar picks/prospects.

2) sign tanev, gudas and toffoli for $13Mish.

3) Play bruins in the 1st round. still lose in 7 games.

- Tumbleweed


By moving Marner, Leafs could get Vilardi, picks, prospects, Tanev, Gudas and Toffoli..

That would be a lot of depth, that is needed... Too bad we'll just lose to the Bruins again in 7 games though..
Fakepartofme
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Right behind you, ON
Joined: 09.20.2010

Sep 24 @ 10:42 AM ET
Lehtonen and Lillybust probably won't be commanding major salary upgrades. I'm kind of doubting Sandin will either. And it's not like the Leafs couldn't move pieces like Holl if they needed to find some salary.

Hyman... yeah, I think he's gonzo.

Re-signing Rielly will take some serious roster/contractual gymnastics.

The great thing though: cap hell awaits almost every team.

- mjones242

Luckily for every team, they dont have 40 m invested in 4 forwards.
If the leafs sign AP, I dont see how they can keep Rielly when his contract is up.
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:43 AM ET
bergevin should have won.

got aho signed to a good team friendly deal.

- Tumbleweed


Totally stealing that one ...
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
People seem really butt hurt that lou won some foolish award?
- Fakepartofme

Who is butt hurt? Calling out a foolish award for being foolish and the winner being a foolish choice and using the foolish award as a foolish way to try to say that a particular GM (Kyle Dubas) is foolish because he didn't win said foolish award is not necessarily butt hurtfulness being displayed.

MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
But you said it couldn’t happen because only STL can talk to AP. You said problem is tampering, not cap circumvention.

There is nothing that prevents the Blues from giving Toronto permission to talk to one of its players. Curious to see how hard it is for you to acknowledge you’re flat out wrong.

- Canada Cup


I started off with "I am not sure whether a 'sign and trade' is legal under the CBA" - and then pointing out that AP would need to negotiate with Toronto via Stl (you argued that if Stl would give permission -- it would be ok) -- and I then said that a legal agreement on a trade contingent on AP accepting a deal from Stl (actually Toronto) would probably not be possible.

the new CBA already has language on the 7 vs 8 year deals (see below) and -- and a sign-and-trade deal might be considered by the league as 'cap circumventing' (even going further than the rule below).

CBA §50.8(b)(iv) shall be amended to provide that when a Club
acquires a Player who is signed through the subsequent Trade
Deadline, it can immediately sign him to an 8-year SPC without
waiting until the subsequent Trade Deadline if otherwise
permitted to do so under Section 50.5(f).


Again, I started off with "I'm not sure whether..."
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:44 AM ET
Inching closer to my SC predictions. Eat your heart out Roger!
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:45 AM ET
Luckily for every team, they dont have 40 m invested in 4 forwards.
If the leafs sign AP, I dont see how they can keep Rielly when his contract is up.

- Fakepartofme

Which is why I keep calling for Nylander to be traded if they actually want to sign AP.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
By moving Marner, Leafs could get Vilardi, picks, prospects, Tanev, Gudas and Toffoli..

That would be a lot of depth, that is needed... Too bad we'll just lose to the Bruins again in 7 games though..

- PatC80

Not to mention Marner will win a Conn Smythe... or two.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 24 @ 10:46 AM ET
By moving Marner, Leafs could get Vilardi, picks, prospects, Tanev, Gudas and Toffoli..

That would be a lot of depth, that is needed... Too bad we'll just lose to the Bruins again in 7 games though..

- PatC80


(frank)ing refs.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
Inching closer to my SC predictions. Eat your heart out Roger!
- AdamFrench


knodublin looks exhausted
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 10:47 AM ET
Lehtonen and Lillybust probably won't be commanding major salary upgrades. I'm kind of doubting Sandin will either. And it's not like the Leafs couldn't move pieces like Holl if they needed to find some salary.

Hyman... yeah, I think he's gonzo.

Re-signing Rielly will take some serious roster/contractual gymnastics.

The great thing though: cap hell awaits almost every team.

- mjones242


If we sell off everything for Pietrangelo, even minor upgrades become too much and we run out of room for the contractural gymnastics ended for Rielly. We’ve always had some cap growth to help out.

Realistically, to sign AP and be able to make other adjustments and have pieces to address needs, we’re going to have to move Nylander, plus.

All that and we’re seriously constrained in going after other upgrades elsewhere- Perry, Maroon, etc.
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Inching closer to my SC predictions. Eat your heart out Roger!
- AdamFrench


you're so smart
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:48 AM ET
Not to mention Marner will win a Conn Smythe... or two.
- mjones242


with the Kings?
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
knodublin looks exhausted
- Tumbleweed

The Stars' defense had their worst game of the entire playoffs. Can't blame the Kruel Kazakh Khudoby
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 24 @ 10:51 AM ET
with the Kings?
- PatC80


nah. with the bruins.

chiarelli will take over in la. trade him to the bruins for coyle, ritchie, lauzon and a 2nd.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:52 AM ET
If we sell off everything for Pietrangelo, even minor upgrades become too much and we run out of room for the contractural gymnastics ended for Rielly. We’ve always had some cap growth to help out.

Realistically, to sign AP and be able to make other adjustments and have pieces to address needs, we’re going to have to move Nylander, plus.

All that and we’re seriously constrained in going after other upgrades elsewhere- Perry, Maroon, etc.

- Canada Cup


Have to assume that Dubas has a plan in place already if someone needs to be traded to fit Pietrangelo in. Maybe it is Andersen, Johnsson, Kerfoot and Holl


PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:52 AM ET
nah. with the bruins.

chiarelli will take over in la. trade him to the bruins for coyle, ritchie, lauzon and a 2nd.

- Tumbleweed




I'm only sad, because I actually do se this happening
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:55 AM ET
you're so smart
- TheMussel

mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:56 AM ET
with the Kings?
- PatC80

At some point in his non-Leafs career. Because this is the simulation we live in.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
At some point in his non-Leafs career. Because this is the simulation we live in.
- mjones242

mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:57 AM ET
If we sell off everything for Pietrangelo, even minor upgrades become too much and we run out of room for the contractural gymnastics ended for Rielly. We’ve always had some cap growth to help out.

Realistically, to sign AP and be able to make other adjustments and have pieces to address needs, we’re going to have to move Nylander, plus.

All that and we’re seriously constrained in going after other upgrades elsewhere- Perry, Maroon, etc.

- Canada Cup

This.

I can't see any other way to fit AP without severely depleting any notion of depth the Leafs currently have.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
Leafs need to make room anyways, some guys just don't have a future on this team.
- MaximusAurelius



so AP for free, plus all the assets you can get for the players you need to move is better..glad we agree
TheMussel
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 09.24.2013

Sep 24 @ 10:58 AM ET

- AdamFrench


Yes, choosing the best team in the league to win the stanley cup is a bold move
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Sep 24 @ 10:58 AM ET
Have to assume that Dubas has a plan in place already if someone needs to be traded to fit Pietrangelo in. Maybe it is Andersen, Johnsson, Kerfoot and Holl
- PatC80


i think nylander will need to pack his poop. if not, it would only leave us with an average of ~$2m/player for the rest of the roster.

but as much as i hate it - i think we are backed into a corner. need to move out marner's $10.9m. sucks, but it's the reality.

worst result will be if we ship out nylander this year and then realize in a year or 2 that marner still needs to be moved to add proper depth.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 10:59 AM ET
I started off with "I am not sure whether a 'sign and trade' is legal under the CBA" - and then pointing out that AP would need to negotiate with Toronto via Stl (you argued that if Stl would give permission -- it would be ok) -- and I then said that a legal agreement on a trade contingent on AP accepting a deal from Stl (actually Toronto) would probably not be possible.

the new CBA already has language on the 7 vs 8 year deals (see below) and -- and a sign-and-trade deal might be considered by the league as 'cap circumventing' (even going further than the rule below).

CBA §50.8(b)(iv) shall be amended to provide that when a Club
acquires a Player who is signed through the subsequent Trade
Deadline, it can immediately sign him to an 8-year SPC without
waiting until the subsequent Trade Deadline if otherwise
permitted to do so under Section 50.5(f).


Again, I started off with "I'm not sure whether..."

- MaximusAurelius


See, doesn’t that feel better? Acknowledging that you were wrong in saying that the Leafs couldn’t talk to him is good for your soul. Congratulations.
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