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dmnted
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 08.30.2006

Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM ET
That was last night.
- AdamFrench

damn, his beard grows in fast!

Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: add all u want but u will never win. torotno curse is alive. basketbal is king. another 52 years bef
Joined: 04.06.2011

Sep 24 @ 12:00 PM ET
That makes sense then.

I'll give him benefit of the doubt that he thought Schneider would already be gone by 15th, and wrote up a big spiel on a guy rated in the second round and didn't want to make his work go to waste.

'Cause there ain't no (frank)ing way he's getting drafted 15th. It'd be insanely (frank)ing stupid.

- GreatGigInTheSky

Mike's a good guy, but he is really poop at prospects.

No offense Mike.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 24 @ 12:01 PM ET
the cost for getting AP on an 8 year deal according to Lebrun is a 1st...or maybe a 2nd. obv the 15th pick is crazy to get that done.

a 2nd...also feels steep

- senstroll


Eff that noise, I would move on.

The whole allure of Pietrangelo to me is that he can be had for "nothing".

Now we suddenly need to give up a first for the right to overpay him for longer?

I'm out. Get a decent D man to pair with Rielly for the first time in his career and let's go from there.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 12:02 PM ET
Lets play this out ...

Hypothetically sign AP for 8 x 8.5.

Move Nylander in a trade that includes a young top 6 winger on an ELC.

If they carried a 7th Dman making 700k and Robertson as their 13th forward they'd have 1.75 milly leftover to sign two 4th liners.

It could work.

If they wanted to create more space moving Johnsson and replacing with Robertson would add another 2.5 to that leftover.

And/Or, move Freddy and replace him with a less expensive option could save another chunk of change.

Hypothetical (non specific) example ...

Sign and trade with the Blues. Leafs get AP at 8.5 over 8 years. Leafs owe the Blues a small sweetener. Leafs need to move Willy and get some young assets back. Blues like Willy (?) and need to replace some of Tarasenko's offense.

Willie for Thomas and some picks/prospects. That kind of thing if it's available could work.

- The Law


How good is Thomas now?
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 24 @ 12:03 PM ET
Chayka. Great prospects guy. He really works them out.
- gergeswillems




I think my favourite part of the entire thing is that he just up and left the team after doing that to them. Just said (frank) it, I'm out.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 12:05 PM ET
Ha!

I don't hate Pietrangelo at all... I just hope that if he signs in Toronto it's at a reasonable number for even more reasonable term.

I also see that unlikely regardless of climate. Excited to see how it plays out either way!

- joel878

mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 12:06 PM ET
Eff that noise, I would move on.

The whole allure of Pietrangelo to me is that he can be had for "nothing".

Now we suddenly need to give up a first for the right to overpay him for longer?

I'm out. Get a decent D man to pair with Rielly for the first time in his career and let's go from there.

- Leafs43

A 1st or 2nd to facilitate an 8 year deal is beyond absurd.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 12:10 PM ET
How good is Thomas now?
- Canada Cup

42pts in 66 games with only 14:34 ATOI. Really nice TK/GV numbers. The kid looks like he's going to be really good.
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Sep 24 @ 12:11 PM ET
Jays can clinch today
- senstroll


Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 12:15 PM ET
42pts in 66 games with only 14:34 ATOI. Really nice TK/GV numbers. The kid looks like he's going to be really good.
- mjones242


So that kind of deal if it gets us $8M AAV has potential (except I hate losing Willie)
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Muzzin might be superior to Seth Jones - James Tanner, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

Sep 24 @ 12:16 PM ET
How good is Thomas now?
- Canada Cup


Pretty damn good.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 12:17 PM ET
A 1st or 2nd to facilitate an 8 year deal is beyond absurd.
- mjones242


Blues can’t demand that much since AP has a No Trade. They can only deal with someone he’s prepared to move to so that limits the price.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 12:18 PM ET
Pretty damn good.
- Scabeh


Ok, ok. Tell Dubas to go ahead.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 24 @ 12:21 PM ET
Eff that noise, I would move on.

The whole allure of Pietrangelo to me is that he can be had for "nothing".

Now we suddenly need to give up a first for the right to overpay him for longer?

I'm out. Get a decent D man to pair with Rielly for the first time in his career and let's go from there.

- Leafs43


yeah, im not interested in giving up a 1 or 2 at all... something later than that..or take the chance on him in UFA and 7 years

also, this is all probably just posturing on both sides...he will end up back in stl
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 12:21 PM ET
Blues can’t demand that much since AP has a No Trade. They can only deal with someone he’s prepared to move to so that limits the price.
- Canada Cup

His NTC doesnt cover the new contract - although he obv only speaks with teams of his interest.
If AP only is interested in Leafs -- and interested in an 8y deal -- stl actually has a lot of leverage and can def ask for a 1st as a starter to facilitate that deal
joel878
Location: Here's my bet. Gardiner is in
Joined: 06.13.2009

Sep 24 @ 12:23 PM ET
yeah, im not interested in giving up a 1 or 2 at all... something later than that..or take the chance on him in UFA and 7 years

also, this is all probably just posturing on both sides...he will end up back in stl

- senstroll


The cap benefit that would come out of as much isn't of as much importance as the stocked cupboards you're going to need to have ELC contracts to roster with the handcuffed cap that comes out an AP signing.

So no, definitely not a pick from the first two rounds to save maybe half a mil on the cap.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
His NTC doesnt cover the new contract - although he obv only speaks with teams of his interest.
If AP only is interested in Leafs -- and interested in an 8y deal -- stl actually has a lot of leverage and can def ask for a 1st as a starter to facilitate that deal

- MaximusAurelius


?

His NTC limits who STL can do a sign and trade with. That makes it harder to drive up the cost. Less demand = less cost.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 24 @ 12:26 PM ET
yeah, im not interested in giving up a 1 or 2 at all... something later than that..or take the chance on him in UFA and 7 years

also, this is all probably just posturing on both sides...he will end up back in stl

- senstroll


I'm fine with that as well. I could take Pietro or leave him. But no more getting our asses kicked on contracts.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 24 @ 12:27 PM ET
The cap benefit that would come out of as much isn't of as much importance as the stocked cupboards you're going to need to have ELC contracts to roster with the handcuffed cap that comes out an AP signing.

So no, definitely not a pick from the first two rounds to save maybe half a mil on the cap.

- joel878


There’s no way they can get that for a sign and trade. I think Law’s suggestion makes way more sense
GalacticStone
Tampa Bay Lightning
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Joined: 01.29.2013

Sep 24 @ 12:29 PM ET
It's going to be a raging battle of bidders for Pietrangelo's services and somebody is going to overpay bigtime.

The Leafs and 20+ other teams could use him. Whoever lands him will have their parade rained on by the sticker shock.

The Leafs could probably land Shattenkirk and Gudas for the same money.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 12:31 PM ET
?

His NTC limits who STL can do a sign and trade with. That makes it harder to drive up the cost. Less demand = less cost.

- Canada Cup

The NTC is irrelevant - assuming the sign-and-trade scenario (Toronto speaking with AP on that 8y deal).
Stl holds all cards on whether that deal can go through -- if they would lose AP to Leafs, they would only facilitate the deal if the return is right. Anything less than a 1st -- stl might just prefer to let him go as an FA.. At least that's the card they could play. Stl and Toronto are still competitors - stl is not in the business of helping out Toronto
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 24 @ 12:35 PM ET
The NTC is irrelevant - assuming the sign-and-trade scenario (Toronto speaking with AP on that 8y deal).
Stl holds all cards on whether that deal can go through -- if they would lose AP to Leafs, they would only facilitate the deal if the return is right. Anything less than a 1st -- stl might just prefer to let him go as an FA.. At least that's the card they could play. Stl and Toronto are still competitors - stl is not in the business of helping out Toronto

- MaximusAurelius


both sides have an argument.

get something or nothing. a stl fan should be annoyed if they could have taken a 4th and end up with nothing
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 12:37 PM ET
both sides have an argument.

get something or nothing. a stl fan should be annoyed if they could have taken a 4th and end up with nothing

- senstroll

Maybe.
Not facilitating a leafs-ap deal would increase chances of AP eventually taking the stl offer though.
A 1st is a 'consolation prize' - a 4th is really not worth that much
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 12:38 PM ET
The NTC is irrelevant - assuming the sign-and-trade scenario (Toronto speaking with AP on that 8y deal).
Stl holds all cards on whether that deal can go through -- if they would lose AP to Leafs, they would only facilitate the deal if the return is right. Anything less than a 1st -- stl might just prefer to let him go as an FA.. At least that's the card they could play. Stl and Toronto are still competitors - stl is not in the business of helping out Toronto

- MaximusAurelius


So if STL has to choose between getting a first and getting nothing, they’ll pick nothing?

If they have to choose between knowing he’s going outside their Division and not knowing if he might end up in Colorado, they’ll pick not knowing?

Makes sense to me.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 12:43 PM ET
So if STL has to choose between getting a first and getting nothing, they’ll pick nothing?

If they have to choose between knowing he’s going outside their Division and not knowing if he might end up in Colorado, they’ll pick not knowing?

Makes sense to me.

- Canada Cup

Read my comment above - but the point some on here were making was that stl could never get a 1st for facilitating that 8y sign-and-trade.
I don't think they would do it for anything of lesser value - and indeed think they would chose to not facilitate the deal and make a competitor stronger if the proposed return would only be a 2nd or 3rd round pick
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