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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 9:18 AM ET
I thought i heard AP is stuck on bonuses late in the contract but it us like 7.7 per year to stay with the blues. Leafs can give the bonus and id ve content at 8 million a year.
- Aaron_85



I think the reporting is they got to 8x8
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 24 @ 9:21 AM ET
You’re right about the bouyout. It’s so he gets a significant cash payout. And I’ll split the difference on age. He turns 31 in January.
- Canada Cup


haha ..

I've experienced life after 35, 36, 37, 38 ....so I'm too familiar with the problems with aging. So those details are big!

7 years with the extra AAV may be better for the Leafs then doing that 8th year.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 9:24 AM ET
There’s nothing that prevents this kind of deal. It’s only tampering if STL complains, not if they give permission.

Secondly, no GM is going to behave the way you describe. Reneging on a deal is going to undermine your credibility across the league and make future deals much more difficult.

The real issue is whether it is worth it to get a reduction in AAV in return for having a player who you can’t trade or buyout under contract until they’re 39.

- Canada Cup



Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...


The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.

Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?).
Kinger34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We may have already seen Matthews at his potential - SMBDragon, ON
Joined: 07.04.2011

Sep 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
[quote=MaximusAurelius]Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...

quote]


Based on what? Your unfounded opinion?

If he didn't have a lot of credibility how did he just pull off the Kapanen trade with Pittsburgh? Why would other GMs talk to him if he didn't have credibility?
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Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
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Sep 24 @ 9:32 AM ET
Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...


The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.

Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?).

- MaximusAurelius


Which GMs have told you they don’t trust the word of Dubas? Stop talking out of your ass. Better still, just stop talking.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 9:44 AM ET
Which GMs have told you they don’t trust the word of Dubas? Stop talking out of your ass. Better still, just stop talking.
- Canada Cup


Dubas is only a great GM in the minds of some Leafs fans and the younger hockey journalists (because 'same generation' and Dubas is a great communicator).

So far no indication that GMs are very much impressed by Dubas; starting with the Jim Gregory voting..
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 9:46 AM ET
Pesce+Savard > AP
- mr.sir

Nah.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 9:48 AM ET
I think the reporting is they got to 8x8
- Canada Cup


yes, reported is 8x8 but that the salary structure is not to his liking.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 9:50 AM ET
Dubas is only a great GM in the minds of some Leafs fans and the younger hockey journalists (because 'same generation' and Dubas is a great communicator).

So far no indication that GMs are very much impressed by Dubas; starting with the Jim Gregory voting..

- MaximusAurelius

Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 9:50 AM ET
Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...


The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.

Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?).

- MaximusAurelius


How do you come up with this stuff?
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 24 @ 9:51 AM ET
Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect.
- mjones242


I still have no idea how Lou won the award... There were so many better options
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 9:52 AM ET
I still have no idea how Lou won the award... There were so many better options
- PatC80



Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4...
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 9:54 AM ET
Nah.
- mjones242

of course Pesce + Savard >> AP
not even close.

in fact, Stl would probably trade Pesce for AP straight up (pesce is 25y old, very good contract, and an excellent shut down defender who can play left and right hand side).

PatC80
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Sep 24 @ 9:54 AM ET
Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4...
- bixll


The award is based on the regular season though, not the playoffs..
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 24 @ 9:55 AM ET
Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect.
- mjones242


because you are more right than the NHL GMs?
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 24 @ 9:56 AM ET
Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4...
- bixll



Even though it’s a regular season award?
PatC80
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Sep 24 @ 9:56 AM ET
because you are more right than the NHL GMs?
- MaximusAurelius


Mostly, because Lou didn't deserve to win the award
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 9:58 AM ET
The award is based on the regular season though, not the playoffs..
- PatC80



Ya, ok... Because how well they did in the regular season then.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 24 @ 9:58 AM ET
yes, reported is 8x8 but that the salary structure is not to his liking.
- PatC80



7x8, NMC, let Pietrangelo structure the contract however he likes.
hags11
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Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary, AB
Joined: 08.06.2010

Sep 24 @ 9:58 AM ET
Geez guys - stop hurting your brains overthinking this. AP is going to Calgary. He loves the mountains!
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 9:58 AM ET
Even though it’s a regular season award?
- Steven_Seagull



Just my guess...
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 24 @ 9:59 AM ET
Ya, ok... Because how well they did in the regular season then.
- bixll


Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
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Sep 24 @ 9:59 AM ET
Ya, ok... Because how well they did in the regular season then.
- bixll



Lost 7 straight, were going to miss the playoffs if the season didn’t stop? Side note: Leafs would’ve made the playoffs.

Dubas > Lou
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
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Sep 24 @ 10:00 AM ET
7x8, NMC, let Pietrangelo structure the contract however he likes.
- Steven_Seagull


agreed.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:00 AM ET
of course Pesce + Savard >> AP
not even close.

in fact, Stl would probably trade Pesce for AP straight up (pesce is 25y old, very good contract, and an excellent shut down defender who can play left and right hand side).

- MaximusAurelius



but AP free > Johnsson, Andersen, Bracco, 5th for Pesce..plus whatever for Savard
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