Canada Cup
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Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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I thought i heard AP is stuck on bonuses late in the contract but it us like 7.7 per year to stay with the blues. Leafs can give the bonus and id ve content at 8 million a year. - Aaron_85
I think the reporting is they got to 8x8 |
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The Law
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Joined: 01.29.2008
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You’re right about the bouyout. It’s so he gets a significant cash payout. And I’ll split the difference on age. He turns 31 in January. - Canada Cup
haha ..
I've experienced life after 35, 36, 37, 38 ....so I'm too familiar with the problems with aging. So those details are big!
7 years with the extra AAV may be better for the Leafs then doing that 8th year. |
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There’s nothing that prevents this kind of deal. It’s only tampering if STL complains, not if they give permission.
Secondly, no GM is going to behave the way you describe. Reneging on a deal is going to undermine your credibility across the league and make future deals much more difficult.
The real issue is whether it is worth it to get a reduction in AAV in return for having a player who you can’t trade or buyout under contract until they’re 39. - Canada Cup
Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...
The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.
Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?). |
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Kinger34
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Location: We may have already seen Matthews at his potential - SMBDragon, ON Joined: 07.04.2011
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[quote=MaximusAurelius]Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...
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Based on what? Your unfounded opinion?
If he didn't have a lot of credibility how did he just pull off the Kapanen trade with Pittsburgh? Why would other GMs talk to him if he didn't have credibility? |
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Canada Cup
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Location: This world is just a veil and the face you wear is not your own., ON Joined: 07.06.2007
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Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...
The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.
Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?). - MaximusAurelius
Which GMs have told you they don’t trust the word of Dubas? Stop talking out of your ass. Better still, just stop talking. |
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Which GMs have told you they don’t trust the word of Dubas? Stop talking out of your ass. Better still, just stop talking. - Canada Cup
Dubas is only a great GM in the minds of some Leafs fans and the younger hockey journalists (because 'same generation' and Dubas is a great communicator).
So far no indication that GMs are very much impressed by Dubas; starting with the Jim Gregory voting.. |
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mjones242
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Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON Joined: 06.22.2015
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Pesce+Savard > AP - mr.sir
Nah. |
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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I think the reporting is they got to 8x8 - Canada Cup
yes, reported is 8x8 but that the salary structure is not to his liking. |
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mjones242
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Location: Pretentious Beer Snob, ON Joined: 06.22.2015
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Dubas is only a great GM in the minds of some Leafs fans and the younger hockey journalists (because 'same generation' and Dubas is a great communicator).
So far no indication that GMs are very much impressed by Dubas; starting with the Jim Gregory voting.. - MaximusAurelius
Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect. |
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...
The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.
Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?). - MaximusAurelius
How do you come up with this stuff? |
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect. - mjones242
I still have no idea how Lou won the award... There were so many better options |
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Location: New Glasgow, NS Joined: 09.04.2008
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I still have no idea how Lou won the award... There were so many better options - PatC80
Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4... |
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Nah. - mjones242
of course Pesce + Savard >> AP
not even close.
in fact, Stl would probably trade Pesce for AP straight up (pesce is 25y old, very good contract, and an excellent shut down defender who can play left and right hand side).
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4... - bixll
The award is based on the regular season though, not the playoffs.. |
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Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect. - mjones242
because you are more right than the NHL GMs?
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Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4... - bixll
Even though it’s a regular season award? |
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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because you are more right than the NHL GMs? - MaximusAurelius
Mostly, because Lou didn't deserve to win the award |
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bixll
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Location: New Glasgow, NS Joined: 09.04.2008
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The award is based on the regular season though, not the playoffs.. - PatC80
Ya, ok... Because how well they did in the regular season then. |
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yes, reported is 8x8 but that the salary structure is not to his liking. - PatC80
7x8, NMC, let Pietrangelo structure the contract however he likes. |
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hags11
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Location: Calgary, AB Joined: 08.06.2010
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Geez guys - stop hurting your brains overthinking this. AP is going to Calgary. He loves the mountains! |
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bixll
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Location: New Glasgow, NS Joined: 09.04.2008
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Even though it’s a regular season award? - Steven_Seagull
Just my guess... |
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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Ya, ok... Because how well they did in the regular season then. - bixll
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Ya, ok... Because how well they did in the regular season then. - bixll
Lost 7 straight, were going to miss the playoffs if the season didn’t stop? Side note: Leafs would’ve made the playoffs.
Dubas > Lou |
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PatC80
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Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON Joined: 08.11.2011
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7x8, NMC, let Pietrangelo structure the contract however he likes. - Steven_Seagull
agreed. |
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Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON Joined: 02.22.2008
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of course Pesce + Savard >> AP
not even close.
in fact, Stl would probably trade Pesce for AP straight up (pesce is 25y old, very good contract, and an excellent shut down defender who can play left and right hand side). - MaximusAurelius
but AP free > Johnsson, Andersen, Bracco, 5th for Pesce..plus whatever for Savard |
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