Lost 7 straight, were going to miss the playoffs if the season didn’t stop? Side note: Leafs would’ve made the playoffs.

Dubas > Lou
- Steven_Seagull

But it stopped. Thus Lou wins..

Mostly, because Lou didn't deserve to win the award
- PatC80

yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)

yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)
- MaximusAurelius

Pot / Kettle.

Dubas is only a great GM in the minds of some Leafs fans and the younger hockey journalists (because 'same generation' and Dubas is a great communicator).

So far no indication that GMs are very much impressed by Dubas; starting with the Jim Gregory voting..
- MaximusAurelius

That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about credibility, not whether they think you’re a great GM. If your word isn’t worth anything, you can’t do your job. Nobody pulls the sort of thing you set out in your your little fantasy scenario.

but AP free > Johnsson, Andersen, Bracco, 5th for Pesce..plus whatever for Savard
- senstroll

Leafs need to make room anyways, some guys just don't have a future on this team.

yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)
- MaximusAurelius

Lol. Irony.

yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)
- MaximusAurelius

Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect.
- mjones242

The award has nothing to do with Max’s bullpoop

Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...


The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.

Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?).
- MaximusAurelius

all of this is a very long way of saying exactly what I said. all your doing is emphasizing the obstacles that had already been pointed out.

it's possible, contrary to your initial gibberish, if all 3 parties think it helps them.

Pot / Kettle.
- bixll

Extraordinary lack of self-insight.

Extraordinary lack of self-insight.
- 21peter

OMG

Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...


The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.

Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?).
- MaximusAurelius

But it’s still not allowed under the CBA, right Max?

Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4...
- bixll

That's a very poor reason.

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive?

Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4...
- bixll

That's a very poor reason. (not saying it's necessarily yours)

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive? It would be nice if they included reasons for awarding someone these types of honours.

But it’s still not allowed under the CBA, right Max?
- Canada Cup

No,it's allowed for every other team.. Only the Leafs are excluded because of Nylander

Sincerely,

Max

But it’s still not allowed under the CBA, right Max?
- Canada Cup

it's a grey area.
there is some language in the CBA on trades - where the league can disallow a trade if they perceive it's being done to specifically circumvent the cap.

I still have no idea how Lou won the award... There were so many better options
- PatC80

Chayka. Great prospects guy. He really works them out.

That's a very poor reason. (not saying it's necessarily yours)

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive? It would be nice if they included reasons for awarding someone these types of honours.
- mjones242

I'm convinced that Lou won because Bettman wanted to take a shot at the Leafs.. So, he "encouraged" Lou's victory

but AP free > Johnsson, Andersen, Bracco, 5th for Pesce..plus whatever for Savard
- senstroll

The biggest unknown and most interesting part of this possibility is the cost.

For AP the cost is cap space. They'd have to find about 5.5 minimum.
Johnsson traded and replaced by Robertson nets you 2.5. Can they find a starting goalie for 2 million per year? Can they move Kerfoot and replace him with good vet willing to take 1.5. Or some kind of combination.

Subject to some Dubas magic I'm not loving that strip the club bare option.

For me the best way to find that cap space to sign AP is replacing Willie with a young top 6 fwd on an ELC.

Pesce and Savard (both) is a fantasy. Think of the assets they'd have to move.

Chayka. Great prospects guy. He really works them out.
- gergeswillems

Yeah, he gets a head start on the other guys, because he's so smart and quick

of course Pesce + Savard >> AP
not even close.

in fact, Stl would probably trade Pesce for AP straight up (pesce is 25y old, very good contract, and an excellent shut down defender who can play left and right hand side).
- MaximusAurelius

Nah.

That's a very poor reason. (not saying it's necessarily yours)

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive? It would be nice if they included reasons for awarding someone these types of honours.
- mjones242

I didn't pick Lou for the award. You can try to prove me wrong again today, but I didn;t vote for Lou.

The biggest unknown and most interesting part of this possibility is the cost.

For AP the cost is cap space. They'd have to find about 5.5 minimum.
Johnsson traded and replaced by Robertson nets you 2.5. Can they find a starting goalie for 2 million per year? Can they move Kerfoot and replace him with good vet willing to take 1.5. Or some kind of combination.

Subject to some Dubas magic I'm not loving that strip the club bare option.

For me the best way to find that cap space to sign AP is replacing Willie with a young top 6 fwd on an ELC.

Pesce and Savard (both) is a fantasy. Think of the assets they'd have to move.
- The Law

Or you know, trade Marner

- PatC80

Fackin' geezus christ this guy.

I'm convinced that Lou won because Bettman wanted to take a shot at the Leafs.. So, he "encouraged" Lou's victory
- PatC80

Pretty sure the old boys club doesn't want to give any recognition to the young buck who is GMing the team that is at the centre of the hockey universe.

God forbid they provide any detailed answers as to why a particular winner received votes. It's all bs.

Not that I necessarily think Dubas would be deserving of it this year, but the anti-Dubie brigade/sentiment is certainly amusing.