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bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:01 AM ET
Lost 7 straight, were going to miss the playoffs if the season didn’t stop? Side note: Leafs would’ve made the playoffs.

Dubas > Lou

- Steven_Seagull



But it stopped. Thus Lou wins..
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 10:01 AM ET
Mostly, because Lou didn't deserve to win the award
- PatC80


yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:01 AM ET
yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)
- MaximusAurelius



Pot / Kettle.
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 10:02 AM ET
Dubas is only a great GM in the minds of some Leafs fans and the younger hockey journalists (because 'same generation' and Dubas is a great communicator).

So far no indication that GMs are very much impressed by Dubas; starting with the Jim Gregory voting..

- MaximusAurelius


That’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about credibility, not whether they think you’re a great GM. If your word isn’t worth anything, you can’t do your job. Nobody pulls the sort of thing you set out in your your little fantasy scenario.
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 10:03 AM ET
but AP free > Johnsson, Andersen, Bracco, 5th for Pesce..plus whatever for Savard
- senstroll


Leafs need to make room anyways, some guys just don't have a future on this team.
Leafs43
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 06.16.2010

Sep 24 @ 10:03 AM ET
yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)
- MaximusAurelius


Lol. Irony.

PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:03 AM ET
yes, again - you pretend to have more insight in that than the NHL GMs (the people most suited to evaluate the performance of their peers)
- MaximusAurelius




Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 10:04 AM ET
Lou won the award this year which completely invalidates it in every possible respect.
- mjones242


The award has nothing to do with Max’s bullpoop
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:04 AM ET
Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...


The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.

Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?).

- MaximusAurelius


all of this is a very long way of saying exactly what I said. all your doing is emphasizing the obstacles that had already been pointed out.

it's possible, contrary to your initial gibberish, if all 3 parties think it helps them.
21peter
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Peter Island
Joined: 11.18.2014

Sep 24 @ 10:04 AM ET
Pot / Kettle.
- bixll

Extraordinary lack of self-insight.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:05 AM ET
Extraordinary lack of self-insight.
- 21peter



OMG
Canada Cup
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Trump? He was just a coffee boy. None of us knew him., ON
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 24 @ 10:09 AM ET
Dubas doesn't have a lot of credibility anyways, so not a big issue there...


The problem is not Stl - it's other teams.
If team x (let's say Wpg) would be interested in talking with Pietrangelo as well, but AP is only interested in talking with Leafs, while STL might have more interest in the deal WPG offers, those sign-and-trade talks might become very very difficult; and other teams might go to the league and say it's a disguised form of tampering (since having contract talks with a player before legally able to do so). Keep in mind -- Stl is still a option to resign AP as well; any offers from other teams per se could be considered as tampering since influencing the contract talks between Stl and AP.

Unless the trade offer from the Leafs is important -- Stl doesn't have a lot of incentive to facilitate the sign-and-trade option; and for the Leafs it doesn't make a lot of sense to offer an important package in exchange for AP, if they can just wait until he becomes UFA -- to then sign him. That's particularly the case if AP has such a strong interest in joining the Leafs (what leverage does AP or Stl have in that case?).

- MaximusAurelius


But it’s still not allowed under the CBA, right Max?
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:14 AM ET
Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4...
- bixll

That's a very poor reason.

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive?
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:15 AM ET
Lou won, because his Isles went to the final 4...
- bixll

That's a very poor reason. (not saying it's necessarily yours)

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive? It would be nice if they included reasons for awarding someone these types of honours.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:17 AM ET
But it’s still not allowed under the CBA, right Max?
- Canada Cup


No,it's allowed for every other team.. Only the Leafs are excluded because of Nylander

Sincerely,

Max
MaximusAurelius
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Joseph Woll - starting goalie Leafs 2020-2021 season
Joined: 04.23.2012

Sep 24 @ 10:17 AM ET
But it’s still not allowed under the CBA, right Max?
- Canada Cup


it's a grey area.
there is some language in the CBA on trades - where the league can disallow a trade if they perceive it's being done to specifically circumvent the cap.
gergeswillems
Detroit Red Wings
Location: Malkin wants to be The Man, ON
Joined: 02.01.2016

Sep 24 @ 10:17 AM ET
I still have no idea how Lou won the award... There were so many better options
- PatC80

Chayka. Great prospects guy. He really works them out.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
That's a very poor reason. (not saying it's necessarily yours)

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive? It would be nice if they included reasons for awarding someone these types of honours.

- mjones242



I'm convinced that Lou won because Bettman wanted to take a shot at the Leafs.. So, he "encouraged" Lou's victory
The Law
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 01.29.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:18 AM ET
but AP free > Johnsson, Andersen, Bracco, 5th for Pesce..plus whatever for Savard
- senstroll


The biggest unknown and most interesting part of this possibility is the cost.

For AP the cost is cap space. They'd have to find about 5.5 minimum.
Johnsson traded and replaced by Robertson nets you 2.5. Can they find a starting goalie for 2 million per year? Can they move Kerfoot and replace him with good vet willing to take 1.5. Or some kind of combination.

Subject to some Dubas magic I'm not loving that strip the club bare option.

For me the best way to find that cap space to sign AP is replacing Willie with a young top 6 fwd on an ELC.

Pesce and Savard (both) is a fantasy. Think of the assets they'd have to move.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
Chayka. Great prospects guy. He really works them out.
- gergeswillems


Yeah, he gets a head start on the other guys, because he's so smart and quick
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
of course Pesce + Savard >> AP
not even close.

in fact, Stl would probably trade Pesce for AP straight up (pesce is 25y old, very good contract, and an excellent shut down defender who can play left and right hand side).

- MaximusAurelius

Nah.
bixll
Location: New Glasgow, NS
Joined: 09.04.2008

Sep 24 @ 10:19 AM ET
That's a very poor reason. (not saying it's necessarily yours)

What moves did Lou make - this season - that were particularly impressive? It would be nice if they included reasons for awarding someone these types of honours.

- mjones242



I didn't pick Lou for the award. You can try to prove me wrong again today, but I didn;t vote for Lou.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I would never let my children play hockey. The risk of getting drafted by Edmonton is too high", ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:20 AM ET
The biggest unknown and most interesting part of this possibility is the cost.

For AP the cost is cap space. They'd have to find about 5.5 minimum.
Johnsson traded and replaced by Robertson nets you 2.5. Can they find a starting goalie for 2 million per year? Can they move Kerfoot and replace him with good vet willing to take 1.5. Or some kind of combination.

Subject to some Dubas magic I'm not loving that strip the club bare option.

For me the best way to find that cap space to sign AP is replacing Willie with a young top 6 fwd on an ELC.

Pesce and Savard (both) is a fantasy. Think of the assets they'd have to move.

- The Law


Or you know, trade Marner
Kinger34
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: We may have already seen Matthews at his potential - SMBDragon, ON
Joined: 07.04.2011

Sep 24 @ 10:21 AM ET

- PatC80



Fackin' geezus christ this guy.
mjones242
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Grimsby, ON
Joined: 06.22.2015

Sep 24 @ 10:23 AM ET
I'm convinced that Lou won because Bettman wanted to take a shot at the Leafs.. So, he "encouraged" Lou's victory
- PatC80



Pretty sure the old boys club doesn't want to give any recognition to the young buck who is GMing the team that is at the centre of the hockey universe.

God forbid they provide any detailed answers as to why a particular winner received votes. It's all bs.

Not that I necessarily think Dubas would be deserving of it this year, but the anti-Dubie brigade/sentiment is certainly amusing.
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