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Ftown19125
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 09.17.2013

Sep 29 @ 12:31 PM ET
Patrick was #1 or #2 on just about every draft site/list that I saw and I follow a lot. There was, I believe, one that had Heiskanen at the top, Patrick second and Hischier 3rd, but that’s the only outlier that I can remember.

Could there have been one or 2 Flyers scouts that preferred Heiskanen? Probably, especially perhaps a Euro scout who saw the kid regularly and was not as familiar with Patrick. However the overall consensus of the scouts and all the draft sites was that the Flyers made the right pick.

- BiggE


All it is is people using hindsight to try to make themselves look smart, but none of them said any of this around the draft. It's laughable.
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Sep 29 @ 12:33 PM ET
don't you think it's hard to be consistent with intermittent migraines
- missingmike

The point still remains does it not? Regardless of the alleged reasons.

Was it ever reported that he had migraines while he has been playing games with the flyers?
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 29 @ 12:39 PM ET
@Bill

Any Laine rumors ? what would it take to get him in a Flyers uniform ?
Patrick + Farabee + 1st rounder?

Howabout Voracek+Ghost for Gaudreau and Lucic (50% retained by CGY)

Gotta make some space since Seattle is taking someone (JVR?) and Frost needs to be up with the big club next season.

- MrBigglesworth

I don’t think Patrick has much value until he gets back on the ice. And presuming he will wouldn’t you rather not sell him for pennies on the dollar?

I think Winnipeg is going to want one of Sanhiem or Myers and at least one 1st. Gotta know how you’re going to fill that defensive hole before making a move like that imo.

That said, I’d love to add Laine to this roster. It’s just going to take a lot of juggling to pull off and probably isn’t too very likely.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

Sep 29 @ 12:42 PM ET
Funny how all the criticism of Patrick has nothing to do with his on ice performance
- KINGKENZO

Probably becuase he’s never on the ice
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 29 @ 12:44 PM ET


It does not seem to be random, or at least, the chances of it being random are not random. This one guy Hakan has had a string of hits. Similarly, Bolts have drafted Point, Johnson, Palat, Kucherov, Cirelli, Killorn, which is the entirety of their cup winning top two lines after the first round.

Bu I rarely see this issue discussed. Maybe I just don't know where to look.

- PT21


TB has gotten ridiculously lucky with later picks. If they actually knew what they were drafting, they would've made different decisions.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Sep 29 @ 12:48 PM ET
TB has gotten ridiculously lucky with later picks. If they actually knew what they were drafting, they would've made different decisions.
- MJL

It's hard to believe in luck when there are so many successes. I would, most likely, attribute that to the very effective development system and not being afraid to shed pieces that do not seem to fit.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Sep 29 @ 12:49 PM ET
Any thoughts on drafting for more of a high risk/reward type player since we have decent depth at most positions?
- DrMidnite

Not sure how many high risk guys are on the board around where we’re picking that wouldn’t be a total reach. There’s Gunler but from what I’ve read about him he’s said to have “absolutely no aggressiveness or physicality to his game” and I just don’t think you can make it in the league like that anymore regardless of how much offensive talent you have.

There seem to be a solid number of well rounded forwards where we'll be picking and going into the beginning of round 2. I might entertain moving back a couple spots to pick up an extra 2nd if possible.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 29 @ 12:49 PM ET
Hart is a RFA after this coming season. Let's assume he has another strong season this year. What would his next contract look like? Bridge deal? Will the Flyers look to lock him up long term right off of his ELC, or is that too risky? Will Hart be looking for a mega deal right off his ELC? Being a Flyers fan, I'm not sure how these contracts typically go for young, promising tenders coming off their ELC. I would imagine a 2 or 3 year bridge. If that is the case, what type of AAV do you think that would that carry? Is anyone aware of any recent comparable players and what they signed for? Thanks.
- Big_E_88


Unless Hart falters in the upcoming season, the Flyers will likely lock him up long term with an 8 year deal.
jmatchett383
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Newark, DE
Joined: 03.09.2010

Sep 29 @ 12:52 PM ET
Patrick is such a difficult contact to handle. Former #2 overall who has migraine disorder that's so severe that it effects his ability to play hockey.
He has all of the potential in the world but may never put it all together no say 1 year contract for... 1m? If that is offered to NoPa does he even have a choice? Accept it or not report to camp?
I truly hope he gets healthy and can live a normal life but the hockey fan in me hopes he comes back and elevated his game and becomes the stud we hoped he would be

- Bob Habib


I think it's very simple. Qualify him. He doesn't have to accept, but he has zero leverage. If he accepts and is healthy, he can extend next offseason. If he's not healthy (whether or not he accepts), then maybe you cut ties.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 29 @ 12:53 PM ET
It's hard to believe in luck when there are so many successes. I would, most likely, attribute that to the very effective development system and not being afraid to shed pieces that do not seem to fit.
- missingmike


Its not development when looking at players like Kucherov and Point. They stepped right in. Look who they took with earlier picks in the drafts where they were taken.
missingmike
Joined: 07.08.2011

Sep 29 @ 12:56 PM ET
Its not development when looking at players like Kucherov and Point. They stepped right in. Look who they took with earlier picks in the drafts where they were taken.
- MJL

I shall agree to disagree as killorn, johnson, palat cirelli seem to be firing on all cylinders
Also, i do not think that development of the young talent stops at the NHL level.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Sep 29 @ 1:01 PM ET
I'm not one to look at things in hindsight and say we should have taken Hischier or Heiskanen or Petterson instead of Patrick because of the current circumstances involving his health, however it really is somewhat fitting that this would happen to the Flyers. They've had one overall #1 pick in team history (traded to get it) and the times when they had lottery picks, they haven't been franchise changers or something really unexpected hinders their progress.

Finish last in the league in 06-07 and get JVR instead of Kane, who just happens to score the Cup winning goal against us at the WFC. You can't write that stuff!
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Sep 29 @ 1:03 PM ET
I'm not one to look at things in hindsight and say we should have taken Hischier or Heiskanen or Petterson instead of Patrick because of the current circumstances involving his health, however it really is somewhat fitting that this would happen to the Flyers. They've had one overall #1 pick in team history (traded to get it) and the times when they had lottery picks, they haven't been franchise changers.

Finish last in the league in 06-07 and get JVR instead of Kane, who just happens to score the Cup winning goal against us at the WFC. You can't write that stuff!

- aantny88

just wait until hischier torches us for years to come
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Sep 29 @ 1:04 PM ET
just wait until hischier torches us for years to come
- 2Real


They didn't have the opportunity to draft him, last time I checked. Just like Kane and JVR. Not super impressed with Hischier from what I've seen at this point.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 29 @ 1:05 PM ET
It's hard to believe in luck when there are so many successes. I would, most likely, attribute that to the very effective development system and not being afraid to shed pieces that do not seem to fit.
- missingmike



Exactly. The likelihood of luck diminishes the more successes they have.

The probability of getting 1 head in an unbiased coin toss is 50%. The probability of getting 6 in a row is less than 1% and you then begin to think whether the coin is actually random (unbiased).

Edit: About 1.5%. Rest as above
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Sep 29 @ 1:16 PM ET
I'm not one to look at things in hindsight and say we should have taken Hischier or Heiskanen or Petterson instead of Patrick because of the current circumstances involving his health, however it really is somewhat fitting that this would happen to the Flyers. They've had one overall #1 pick in team history (traded to get it) and the times when they had lottery picks, they haven't been franchise changers or something really unexpected hinders their progress.

Finish last in the league in 06-07 and get JVR instead of Kane, who just happens to score the Cup winning goal against us at the WFC. You can't write that stuff!

- aantny88


Even when they get it right, poop happens.

They go out on a limb and take Foppa. Then trade him and a king's ransom for Lindros.

Foppa goes and becomes a key piece of a dynasty and by himself is as good as Lindros. Lindros then, well..


Thrashahoy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.07.2018

Sep 29 @ 1:24 PM ET
They didn't have the opportunity to draft him, last time I checked. Just like Kane and JVR. Not super impressed with Hischier from what I've seen at this point.
- aantny88


Yeah, hes whatever. Solid player. No need to argue about the top 20, its the later rounds that we need to hit on. I dont care about the NoPa pick, for the hundredth time, every team would have picked him 2nd overall.

Now, the one that really pisses me off was the pascal laberge pick. I don not get the reasoning behind this pick at all. DId they think they could develop him to a couturier 2.0? Cause even in juniors my man was scoring, and pascal laberge in juniors, well, nothing to write home about.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 1:25 PM ET
@Bill

Any Laine rumors ? what would it take to get him in a Flyers uniform ?
Patrick + Farabee + 1st rounder?

Howabout Voracek+Ghost for Gaudreau and Lucic (50% retained by CGY)

Gotta make some space since Seattle is taking someone (JVR?) and Frost needs to be up with the big club next season.

- MrBigglesworth

None of these offers make sense on any level.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 29 @ 1:31 PM ET
Exactly. The likelihood of luck diminishes the more successes they have.

The probability of getting 1 head in an unbiased coin toss is 50%. The probability of getting 6 in a row is less than 1% and you then begin to think whether the coin is actually random (unbiased).

Edit: About 1.5%. Rest as above

- PT21


Lol..This isn't coin tossing. You consistently refer to irrelevant factors. Its absolutely luck. All you have to do is look at who they took with earlier picks.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Sep 29 @ 1:50 PM ET
What are you talking about? Please clarify
- login

Exactly.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Sep 29 @ 1:52 PM ET
TB has gotten ridiculously lucky with later picks. If they actually knew what they were drafting, they would've made different decisions.
- MJL

Agree. Hindsight.
wolfhounds
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: dicky seamus, PA
Joined: 06.02.2009

Sep 29 @ 1:52 PM ET
Even when they get it right, poop happens.

They go out on a limb and take Foppa. Then trade him and a king's ransom for Lindros.

Foppa goes and becomes a key piece of a dynasty and by himself is as good as Lindros. Lindros then, well..

- PT21


Too soon, too soon!

You're not allowed to post for the rest of the day!
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Sep 29 @ 1:54 PM ET
Exactly.
- Peter Richards

Amuse me what are you referring too please. You can do it.
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Sep 29 @ 1:55 PM ET
Lol..This isn't coin tossing. You consistently refer to irrelevant factors. Its absolutely luck. All you have to do is look at who they took with earlier picks.
- MJL

Damn going all Tanner saying its all luck.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Sep 29 @ 1:57 PM ET
Yeah, hes whatever. Solid player. No need to argue about the top 20, its the later rounds that we need to hit on. I dont care about the NoPa pick, for the hundredth time, every team would have picked him 2nd overall.

Now, the one that really pisses me off was the pascal laberge pick. I don not get the reasoning behind this pick at all. DId they think they could develop him to a couturier 2.0? Cause even in juniors my man was scoring, and pascal laberge in juniors, well, nothing to write home about.

- Thrashahoy



I get it. But except for Debrincat, not many other players drafted after him stand out very much that other teams also didn't pass over many times.

Im more disappointed in the Rubstov pick with hindsight.

Overall that was a VERY top heavy draft and pretty weak taken as a whole.
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