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Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 9:54 AM ET
GMJR isn't the only game in town who makes bad deals, so I'm banking on that.

I could see him revisiting a deal with MIN to have Rask going back the other way. I don't want that, but I could see it.

- Rinosaur

Oh for sure. I just think you get a more useful than JJ player in return that’s also a cap dump.
Blackstrom2
Washington Capitals
Location: richmond, VA
Joined: 10.11.2010

Sep 29 @ 9:56 AM ET
(frank), i hate the bolts.
Rinosaur
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Somewhere, NJ
Joined: 01.21.2016

Sep 29 @ 9:59 AM ET
It's like you expect all the worst deals possible haha JR doesn't help himself

Maybe we sign J.Fast or Ennis? I really see C.Tanev as a possibility. Never hated him but the $$$ and term on his deal would kill us.

- Barnaby36


You really just don't pay attention to what goes on, do you?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 10:04 AM ET
You really just don't pay attention to what goes on, do you?
- Rinosaur

Cmon he’s made at least 2 good moves since the start of the 2018 calendar year.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Sep 29 @ 10:07 AM ET
Oh for sure. I just think you get a more useful than JJ player in return that’s also a cap dump.
- Feds91Stammer

What kind of package would you need for us to land Bertuzzi? A realistic one.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 10:12 AM ET
What kind of package would you need for us to land Bertuzzi? A realistic one.
- Barnaby36

Starts with a 2022 1st.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Sep 29 @ 10:28 AM ET
Starts with a 2022 1st.
- Feds91Stammer

Is he a true Top 6 forward, sniper? I see he's 25yo. What kind of raise he'll get now?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 10:35 AM ET
Is he a true Top 6 forward, sniper? I see he's 25yo. What kind of raise he'll get now?
- Barnaby36

Top 6 well rounded winger. Probably gets something in the realm of 5x5.

There are 393 forwards with at least 1000 mins toi at 5v5 over the last 3 seasons. This is how he ranks.

G/60: 100th. Tied with Hayes, Marchessault, Kopitar, and Grabner.

P/60: 78th. Tied with Burakovsky, Couture, M Tkachuk, and Getzlaf.

Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Sep 29 @ 10:41 AM ET
Top 6 well rounded winger. Probably gets something in the realm of 5x5.

There are 393 forwards with at least 1000 mins toi at 5v5 over the last 3 seasons. This is how he ranks.

G/60: 100th. Tied with Hayes, Marchessault, Kopitar, and Grabner.

P/60: 78th. Tied with Burakovsky, Couture, M Tkachuk, and Getzlaf.

- Feds91Stammer

He really turned out best case scenario for you guys. Good player with a snarl. Usually it’s one or the other.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Sep 29 @ 10:43 AM ET
Top 6 well rounded winger. Probably gets something in the realm of 5x5.

There are 393 forwards with at least 1000 mins toi at 5v5 over the last 3 seasons. This is how he ranks.

G/60: 100th. Tied with Hayes, Marchessault, Kopitar, and Grabner.

P/60: 78th. Tied with Burakovsky, Couture, M Tkachuk, and Getzlaf.

- Feds91Stammer

He'd be someone I'd target to replace Sheary in the Top 6. Mantha probably would cost more but he'd be nice too. We have to work in our 2-3 year window.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 10:59 AM ET
He really turned out best case scenario for you guys. Good player with a snarl. Usually it’s one or the other.
- Victoro311

Yeah he was such a reach when they drafted him too.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 11:00 AM ET
He'd be someone I'd target to replace Sheary in the Top 6. Mantha probably would cost more but he'd be nice too. We have to work in our 2-3 year window.
- Barnaby36

Mantha would cost more and unfortunately for you your gm has you in a position with no cap space or assets a rebuilding team would want.
Satan'sIsland81
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 10.19.2018

Sep 29 @ 11:09 AM ET
Was it necessary to have to get a shot in on the Islanders? A team that got to OT of game 6 in the conference finals against the eventual champs as opposed to losing to an awful Montreal team in a qualifying round? And I guess if you are gonna knock the Isles you should also knock the Stars, considering the Isles were regularly getting 25-30 shots per game against Tampa while Dallas in do or die game 6 had 9 shots with 7 minutes to go in the third period before a bit of a late flurry with Tampa sitting back.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 29 @ 11:21 AM ET
It was expected that a buyout was needed and Toronto was in a worse cap bind. Not comparables.
- Feds91Stammer

I don't agree with this either. The Rangers are staring at around 15M in dead space if they buy out Lundqvist. Detroit just made it too easy on them taking a bad player for just a 2nd round pick.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 11:24 AM ET
Was it necessary to have to get a shot in on the Islanders? A team that got to OT of game 6 in the conference finals against the eventual champs as opposed to losing to an awful Montreal team in a qualifying round? And I guess if you are gonna knock the Isles you should also knock the Stars, considering the Isles were regularly getting 25-30 shots per game against Tampa while Dallas in do or die game 6 had 9 shots with 7 minutes to go in the third period before a bit of a late flurry with Tampa sitting back.
- Satan'sIsland81

The islanders suck and are boring to watch. Now (frank) off.
Tojo.
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Aliquippa, PA
Joined: 11.11.2014

Sep 29 @ 11:25 AM ET
It will be hard for Poulin and Légaré at first sight: Lafferty, Angello, Miletic, Di Pauli, O'Conner, Bellerive, A.Johnson.. so many guys with AHL experience fighting for spots.
Anyone believe Aberg will be in camp as well?

- Barnaby36

Johnson and DiPauli are FAs. Besides O'Connor none of those guys are going to block a top prospect. Half of them at least probably don't stick in the NHL. If Poulin or Legare are ready, they aren't getting blocked by our current depth forwards.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 11:36 AM ET
I don't agree with this either. The Rangers are staring at around 15M in dead space if they buy out Lundqvist. Detroit just made it too easy on them taking a bad player for just a 2nd round pick.
- Tojo.

Lol no
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Sep 29 @ 11:36 AM ET
JJ and Murray package potential returns imo:
DET: Nielsen
OTT: Zaitsev
EDM: Neal

Otherwise you’re adding or retaining on JJ.

- Feds91Stammer


I think you could add Miller out of Buffalo to that list.

With Edmonton, if there was any way to do JJ and Murray for Kassian it would be great.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Sep 29 @ 11:37 AM ET
Was it necessary to have to get a shot in on the Islanders? A team that got to OT of game 6 in the conference finals against the eventual champs as opposed to losing to an awful Montreal team in a qualifying round? And I guess if you are gonna knock the Isles you should also knock the Stars, considering the Isles were regularly getting 25-30 shots per game against Tampa while Dallas in do or die game 6 had 9 shots with 7 minutes to go in the third period before a bit of a late flurry with Tampa sitting back.
- Satan'sIsland81

A couple of us Pens fans appreciate what the Isles were able to do. I appreciate teams that play as a cohesive unit, stick to a system, and find a way to win any way possible (provided the refs call penalties for things like holding and interference). I would love to have Trotz as a coach - I think he can (and did) coach circles around Sullivan. I personally don't need end-to-end action and 4-3 or 5-4 games to be entertained. In fact, those games have a lot less drama and goals are cheapened.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Sep 29 @ 11:38 AM ET
I think you could add Miller out of Buffalo to that list.

With Edmonton, if there was any way to do JJ and Murray for Kassian it would be great.

- MacPatty

That would be ideal, but EDM would have to really like Murray for this to happen, which I highly doubt. I think they like Kassian so I doubt they are shopping him.
MacPatty
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 05.21.2015

Sep 29 @ 11:54 AM ET
That would be ideal, but EDM would have to really like Murray for this to happen, which I highly doubt. I think they like Kassian so I doubt they are shopping him.
- Hockey66


Kass has been mentioned as possibly being on the trade block. I'd love to get him.

I also doubt JJ to edmonton would happen but let me dream. More realistically, I have been thinking about Murray and Simon for Kassian and a 3rd but Holland is a guy I could see making a JR level blunder.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Sep 29 @ 12:14 PM ET
Kass has been mentioned as possibly being on the trade block. I'd love to get him.

I also doubt JJ to edmonton would happen but let me dream. More realistically, I have been thinking about Murray and Simon for Kassian and a 3rd but Holland is a guy I could see making a JR level blunder.

- MacPatty

Ok, that's good to hear. Likewise would love to get him. I wouldn't even worry about getting a 3rd back and if they take JJ I would send them a 3rd in addition to Murray (and Simon if they want him). We'd then be a 3LW / 3C from having a really good bottom six that would be a PITA to play against:

?/McCann - ?/McCann - Kassian
Tanev - Blueger - Sceviour
Satan'sIsland81
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 10.19.2018

Sep 29 @ 12:17 PM ET
The islanders suck and are boring to watch. Now (frank) off.
- Feds91Stammer

More boring than losing like 60 games this past season?
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Sep 29 @ 12:24 PM ET
More boring than losing like 60 games this past season?
- Satan'sIsland81

Not quite but at least I can admit my team sucks and is boring. You’re just a butthurt super fan of a dog poop team.
Barnaby36
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Former Orpik44
Joined: 02.22.2013

Sep 29 @ 12:24 PM ET
Johnson and DiPauli are FAs. Besides O'Connor none of those guys are going to block a top prospect. Half of them at least probably don't stick in the NHL. If Poulin or Legare are ready, they aren't getting blocked by our current depth forwards.
- Tojo.

Any player could block a prospect if they get outplayed IMO. Business first before draft pedigree. I wouldn't be surprised to see Poulin getting outplayed by Miletic, Lafferty or Bellerive right now.
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