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JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 15 @ 8:13 PM ET
Well if you believe rumors. Laine wants 10M a year, if he doesn't get it he will follow the path of Trouba, go arbitration next year and hold the Jets hostage the year after on where he will sign a long term deal.
- BWJumper


I haven't heard those rumors, you think that's all it is, Laine wants a $10M per year deal and the Jets don't want to pay him that much?
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 15 @ 8:35 PM ET
I haven't heard those rumors, you think that's all it is, Laine wants a $10M per year deal and the Jets don't want to pay him that much?
- JetFuel


It was an article that a finnish reporter who has interviewed Laine in the past wrote. Probably means nothing.


JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 15 @ 8:39 PM ET
Well if you believe rumors. Laine wants 10M a year, if he doesn't get it he will follow the path of Trouba, go arbitration next year and hold the Jets hostage the year after on where he will sign a long term deal.
- BWJumper


I wasn't the biggest Trouba fan but to be fair he hardly held the Jets hostage, he made his wishes known years before, if Chevy trades him sooner the return is likely a lot better and who knows how history plays out for the Jets, honestly Chevy backed himself into that corner.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 15 @ 8:42 PM ET
It was an article that a finnish reporter who has interviewed Laine in the past wrote. Probably means nothing.
- BWJumper


I see, good chance that's what it is then but with everything else that's gone on with this soap opera of a hockey club the last few years I just wonder if that's all it is, could very well be though.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 15 @ 8:47 PM ET
Sorry but what do you mean?
- JetFuel

From what I have read, it appears that Maurice has autonomy to create and implement systems both at the A and NHL level. I have also seen it be reported that both the Moose and Jets play the same systems. Chevy keeps drafting players that seem to excel in the A but for some reason do not get ice time in the NHL even though both play the same systems.

Furthermore as I have said in the past, it wasn't Chevy that announced Maurice's contract extension. How many times have we seen other owners announce coaching contracts?

It's all just speculation on my part.
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 15 @ 9:01 PM ET
I wasn't the biggest Trouba fan but to be fair he hardly held the Jets hostage, he made his wishes known years before, if Chevy trades him sooner the return is likely a lot better and who knows how history plays out for the Jets, honestly Chevy backed himself into that corner.
- JetFuel


Not disagreeing there. Just saying once it got to 1 year left Trouba made his intentions known.
But if Laine follows the same path I look forward to a mid first round pick and a college FA who who played 100 games in the NHL as compensation in a trade for him.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 15 @ 10:38 PM ET
There is no team in the NHL that is giving Laine $10MM per year. That might have been a possibility in the past when the cap was going up yearly, but now 85% of the teams just don't have that type of cap room. Then there is the whole Covid thing that also leads to future cap uncertainty. I will use his fellow countryman Sebastion Aho as a comparison ( and I'd rather have Aho than Laine). Aho gets $8.45 pre-Covid. To me, that is likely the max AAV for Laine right now.

Any trade for Laine is not going to be for useless draft picks as pessimists on this board like to suggest. Whatever team involved would need to give at least $5-$6 MM in cap space back, if not more. It would be a comparable player at the very least and could be a part of a more complex deal.

I'm not so sure Laine gets traded or believe the rumors....but of course, anything can happen. One thing I'm certain with 100% certainty is that Connor is not getting traded and will be a fixture on the Jets for many years to come. Drop him from any imaginary trade list.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:25 PM ET
There is no team in the NHL that is giving Laine $10MM per year. That might have been a possibility in the past when the cap was going up yearly, but now 85% of the teams just don't have that type of cap room. Then there is the whole Covid thing that also leads to future cap uncertainty. I will use his fellow countryman Sebastion Aho as a comparison ( and I'd rather have Aho than Laine). Aho gets $8.45 pre-Covid. To me, that is likely the max AAV for Laine right now.

Any trade for Laine is not going to be for useless draft picks as pessimists on this board like to suggest. Whatever team involved would need to give at least $5-$6 MM in cap space back, if not more. It would be a comparable player at the very least and could be a part of a more complex deal.

I'm not so sure Laine gets traded or believe the rumors....but of course, anything can happen. One thing I'm certain with 100% certainty is that Connor is not getting traded and will be a fixture on the Jets for many years to come. Drop him from any imaginary trade list.

- jetsnation


This is a good post!

If Chevy did sign Laine to 10 million per, it would be a bold move as it would signal that the Jets are all-in on Laine and as a result are intending on building their team around him.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 15 @ 11:59 PM ET
From what I have read, it appears that Maurice has autonomy to create and implement systems both at the A and NHL level. I have also seen it be reported that both the Moose and Jets play the same systems. Chevy keeps drafting players that seem to excel in the A but for some reason do not get ice time in the NHL even though both play the same systems.

Furthermore as I have said in the past, it wasn't Chevy that announced Maurice's contract extension. How many times have we seen other owners announce coaching contracts?

It's all just speculation on my part.

- TheUltimateJet


Yeah that could be, but a divide between coach and GM doesn't really explain why there's so many unhappy players unless the GM is saying/promising one thing and the coach is doing another.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 16 @ 12:00 AM ET
This is a good post!

If Chevy did sign Laine to 10 million per, it would be a bold move as it would signal that the Jets are all-in on Laine and as a result are intending on building their team around him.

- TheUltimateJet


They really should be all in on Laine, it's unfortunate how this is all unraveling.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 16 @ 9:40 AM ET
They really should be all in on Laine, it's unfortunate how this is all unraveling.
- JetFuel


Even though I am not the biggest Laine fan, I agree with this!
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 16 @ 10:00 AM ET
So there is no chance that an immature, lazy, one-trick pony can be at fault ?
It has to be all on Chevy and Maurice ?
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 16 @ 10:13 AM ET
There is no team in the NHL that is giving Laine $10MM per year. That might have been a possibility in the past when the cap was going up yearly, but now 85% of the teams just don't have that type of cap room. Then there is the whole Covid thing that also leads to future cap uncertainty. I will use his fellow countryman Sebastion Aho as a comparison ( and I'd rather have Aho than Laine). Aho gets $8.45 pre-Covid. To me, that is likely the max AAV for Laine right now.

Any trade for Laine is not going to be for useless draft picks as pessimists on this board like to suggest. Whatever team involved would need to give at least $5-$6 MM in cap space back, if not more. It would be a comparable player at the very least and could be a part of a more complex deal.

I'm not so sure Laine gets traded or believe the rumors....but of course, anything can happen. One thing I'm certain with 100% certainty is that Connor is not getting traded and will be a fixture on the Jets for many years to come. Drop him from any imaginary trade list.

- jetsnation



One problem is that I believe that Laine actually "thinks" he is worth $10 mill. He's definitely not, in my untrained eyes. He shouldn't get a cent more than $7M. Let some other team pay him that.

The best story I've read lately is currently on the TSN site: "Laine and Jets Remain Poised to Part Ways." It is an interesting read, hope all can see it.

Jets need to trade Laine for that missing piece on defence.

So bring it on Flyers, Blue Jackets, Panthers, Islanders, Canes or whoever. Make us a reasonable offer. The Jets should be all-in on that.

We really don't want another Trouba situation, do we?
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 16 @ 10:42 AM ET
So there is no chance that an immature, lazy, one-trick pony can be at fault ?
It has to be all on Chevy and Maurice ?

- bennythehat


Oh yes cause his assist totals being higher then his goal totals, his physical play throwing his body around and vastly improved defensive play just screams one trick pony.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 16 @ 10:50 AM ET
One problem is that I believe that Laine actually "thinks" he is worth $10 mill. He's definitely not, in my untrained eyes. He shouldn't get a cent more than $7M. Let some other team pay him that.

The best story I've read lately is currently on the TSN site: "Laine and Jets Remain Poised to Part Ways." It is an interesting read, hope all can see it.

Jets need to trade Laine for that missing piece on defence.

So bring it on Flyers, Blue Jackets, Panthers, Islanders, Canes or whoever. Make us a reasonable offer. The Jets should be all-in on that.

We really don't want another Trouba situation, do we?

- grahamzky


Seriously he's not worth a center more then $7M?

Lol, he's easily worth $8M at least but probably a bit more, he was close to the Jets best forward this season.

If they trade him for that missing piece on defense they'll now have a missing piece that scores a ton of goals and is their weapon on the powerplay, goal scorers aren't easy to find.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 16 @ 11:23 AM ET
Oh yes cause his assist totals being higher then his goal totals, his physical play throwing his body around and vastly improved defensive play just screams one trick pony.
- JetFuel


Giddyup !
Since he only scored 28 goals, I would hope that he would at least contribute some assists. His hit numbers did increase. He is still a turnover machine.


grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 16 @ 11:30 AM ET
Seriously he's not worth a center more then $7M?

Lol, he's easily worth $8M at least but probably a bit more, he was close to the Jets best forward this season.

If they trade him for that missing piece on defense they'll now have a missing piece that scores a ton of goals and is their weapon on the powerplay, goal scorers aren't easy to find.

- JetFuel


Hope that other teams see Laine in the same light as you do as it will increase the return. Or will they see Laine as the same as the player poll a couple of years ago - "the most over-rated forward?"

Hopefully in any deal for Laine we get a young forward prospect included, but if not, think that Jack Roslovic may surprise a lot of people this season if he gets a chance - 25+ goals. With Stastny there the PP will be fine without the stationary Laine. Scheif can take his spot as the shooter.

To be fair, Laine did have his best year last season (all-round), but still not a $10M player. No, far from it IMO. And then saying he wasn't going to be in shape for the playoffs! Really!

But I realize that quite a few fans see Laine as the saviour - but I'm obviously not one of them.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 16 @ 11:44 AM ET
Giddyup !
Since he only scored 28 goals, I would hope that he would at least contribute some assists. His hit numbers did increase. He is still a turnover machine.

- bennythehat


Only 28 but would've broken the 30 mark again if not for injury and stoppage.
Turnovers decreased I'd assume, idk, the turnovers were barely an issue from Laine this season from what I can recall, the Jets playing a system where there's little puck support leads to a lot of turnovers for all the forwards.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 16 @ 11:54 AM ET
Hope that other teams see Laine in the same light as you do as it will increase the return. Or will they see Laine as the same as the player poll a couple of years ago - "the most over-rated forward?"

Hopefully in any deal for Laine we get a young forward prospect included, but if not, think that Jack Roslovic may surprise a lot of people this season if he gets a chance - 25+ goals. With Stastny there the PP will be fine without the stationary Laine. Scheif can take his spot as the shooter.

To be fair, Laine did have his best year last season (all-round), but still not a $10M player. No, far from it IMO. And then saying he wasn't going to be in shape for the playoffs! Really!

But I realize that quite a few fans see Laine as the saviour - but I'm obviously not one of them.

- grahamzky


I like Roslovic but Maurice hates him, that ship has sailed, Scheifele isn't the shooter Laine is who are we trying to kid.

I didn't make the jump to $10M but somewhere in the $9M range seems realistic.

Really what is with so many in this fanbase taking what players say so seriously? The majority of all hockey players are cliche machines but Laine has a dry, sarcastic self depreciating sense of humor that few seem to get and they jump all over every word of it like it's some exact truth.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 16 @ 12:50 PM ET
I like Roslovic but Maurice hates him, that ship has sailed, Scheifele isn't the shooter Laine is who are we trying to kid.

I didn't make the jump to $10M but somewhere in the $9M range seems realistic.

Really what is with so many in this fanbase taking what players say so seriously? The majority of all hockey players are cliche machines but Laine has a dry, sarcastic self depreciating sense of humor that few seem to get and they jump all over every word of it like it's some exact truth.

- JetFuel


No Scheifele doesn't have the velocity of shot no doubt, but I would say that if Laine got 30 goals, Scheifele would get 28, and not whine about ice time. Does that make him a $9M player?

Hoping the Roslovic ship hasn't sailed as you say.

I have a hunch, with nothing to back it, that the Jets players would open the door when/if Patrik departs. I've played with players who continually tell you how great they are, get sick of it.

I would say that most opposition players have a basic handle of what it's like to play against their individual opponents.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Oct 16 @ 1:49 PM ET
Seriously he's not worth a center more then $7M?

Lol, he's easily worth $8M at least but probably a bit more, he was close to the Jets best forward this season.

If they trade him for that missing piece on defense they'll now have a missing piece that scores a ton of goals and is their weapon on the powerplay, goal scorers aren't easy to find.

- JetFuel


To be clear!! I am not saying trade Laine with this!!

But if it happens, I’d hope!!!!! We would get a chance to see Vesalainen on the top PP, he absolutely has the 2nd best one timer in the entire organization right now behind Laine. If we let ehlers take the Wheeler spot and flipped sides on the PP, I’d love to see that.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 16 @ 2:27 PM ET
To be clear!! I am not saying trade Laine with this!!

But if it happens, I’d hope!!!!! We would get a chance to see Vesalainen on the top PP, he absolutely has the 2nd best one timer in the entire organization right now behind Laine. If we let ehlers take the Wheeler spot and flipped sides on the PP, I’d love to see that.

- Ross77


Schiefele has a great one-timer, so if Vesalainen has a better one, that's awesome.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 16 @ 2:30 PM ET
I kinda think that Mangiapane and Roslovic are similar type players in terms of skill . I like them both. Some might argue differently but this is my view. So while AM is a UFA and has had similar problems cracking the top six in Calgary as Roslovic has had with the Jets, I think this 2.425 MM contract he just signed sets the bar somewhat on RFA contract talks with Roslovic.
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 16 @ 2:32 PM ET
To be clear!! I am not saying trade Laine with this!!

But if it happens, I’d hope!!!!! We would get a chance to see Vesalainen on the top PP, he absolutely has the 2nd best one timer in the entire organization right now behind Laine. If we let ehlers take the Wheeler spot and flipped sides on the PP, I’d love to see that.

- Ross77


I doubt a guy who "lit up" the AHL for 12 goals is going to be handed PP1 time from Maurice.

Speaking of Ehlers, if anybody has a right to complain about ice time it's him.
Quillanrocks
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Courtenay, BC
Joined: 07.22.2013

Oct 16 @ 3:11 PM ET
Just throwing this out there. Would any of you guys do the following trade?

To CAR: Patrik Laine, Jack Roslovic, Mathieau Perreault, Sami Niku, 2021 first round pick

To WPG: Andrei Svechnikov, Dougie Hamilton, Jordan Staal


Carolina gets instantaneous cap relief as Staal's contract is another 3 years. We dump Perreault. We also get an up and coming superstar in Svechnikov. Carolina gets two Finish players to go with their Aho and Teravainen. We get a top 5 defenseman in Hamilton. Hamilton and Staal are definitely Maurice type of players.

- TheUltimateJet


As someone else said, no way they trade Svechnikov. I do think Carolina is the team that is the best fit pertaining any Laine trade, though. I posted this on the recent Carolina article, but curious about the Winnipeg fans opinions . . .

If I'm the Jets GM (and probably a good thing I'm not! LOL) these are the players I would be interested in (that I feel could be realistically included in a deal for Patrik Laine) . . .

Forwards: Necas, Foegele, Geekie (love that name! . . . and a Manitoba boy)
Defense: Fleury, Pesce, Skjei

Keeping in mind there are other assets Winnipeg looks to have available (Roslovic, Niku, Perreault (salary dump), perhaps Vesalainen?, +++?) whom would you package in a deal? Of course, depending on the quality/quantity, draft picks are in play, also.

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