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JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 16 @ 3:20 PM ET
I kinda think that Mangiapane and Roslovic are similar type players in terms of skill . I like them both. Some might argue differently but this is my view. So while AM is a UFA and has had similar problems cracking the top six in Calgary as Roslovic has had with the Jets, I think this 2.425 MM contract he just signed sets the bar somewhat on RFA contract talks with Roslovic.
- jetsnation


Mangiapane was an RFA without arbitration rights just like Roslovic, this is a good comparison for Roslovic, I think this is the deal Roslovic is looking at whether he signs with the Jets or with whoever he gets traded to.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 16 @ 3:20 PM ET
I kinda think that Mangiapane and Roslovic are similar type players in terms of skill . I like them both. Some might argue differently but this is my view. So while AM is a UFA and has had similar problems cracking the top six in Calgary as Roslovic has had with the Jets, I think this 2.425 MM contract he just signed sets the bar somewhat on RFA contract talks with Roslovic.
- jetsnation


Mangiapane was an RFA without arbitration rights just like Roslovic, this is a good comparison for Roslovic, I think this is the deal Roslovic is looking at whether he signs with the Jets or with whoever he gets traded to.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 16 @ 5:20 PM ET
To be clear!! I am not saying trade Laine with this!!

But if it happens, I’d hope!!!!! We would get a chance to see Vesalainen on the top PP, he absolutely has the 2nd best one timer in the entire organization right now behind Laine. If we let ehlers take the Wheeler spot and flipped sides on the PP, I’d love to see that.

- Ross77

I really like your point about Ehlers and flipping the power play for him. I think Ehlers would be money for at least 40 goals if that happens.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 16 @ 6:00 PM ET
I feel sorry for the fall of Nolan Patrick. Only $874K. Basically, the league minimum. Patrick's are family friends. Loved spending time at their cottage. Head injuries are so hard to deal with now that science has improved to the point that caution comes ahead of being tough.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 16 @ 6:12 PM ET
One problem is that I believe that Laine actually "thinks" he is worth $10 mill. He's definitely not, in my untrained eyes. He shouldn't get a cent more than $7M. Let some other team pay him that.

The best story I've read lately is currently on the TSN site: "Laine and Jets Remain Poised to Part Ways." It is an interesting read, hope all can see it.

Jets need to trade Laine for that missing piece on defence.

So bring it on Flyers, Blue Jackets, Panthers, Islanders, Canes or whoever. Make us a reasonable offer. The Jets should be all-in on that.

We really don't want another Trouba situation, do we?

- grahamzky

I read the article. Thank you for the suggestion!
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Oct 16 @ 8:30 PM ET
I feel sorry for the fall of Nolan Patrick. Only $874K. Basically, the league minimum. Patrick's are family friends. Loved spending time at their cottage. Head injuries are so hard to deal with now that science has improved to the point that caution comes ahead of being tough.
- jetsnation

I heard he has bought a new house here and is scrimmaging?
Maybe if he can get healthy here’s a guy who wants to be a jet one day?
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 16 @ 9:34 PM ET
I heard he has bought a new house here and is scrimmaging?
Maybe if he can get healthy here’s a guy who wants to be a jet one day?

- Ross77


yea, wishing the best for Nolan Patrick. I believe his ancestors, not that it matters, came from small town Manitoba.

Regardless, all the best for the Patricks, Jets or otherwise. Damn concussions!
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 16 @ 9:43 PM ET
I heard he has bought a new house here and is scrimmaging?
Maybe if he can get healthy here’s a guy who wants to be a jet one day?

- Ross77


Leafs sign Thornton. So Simmonds, Spezza and Thornton. Is Guy Lafleur still available?
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 16 @ 9:47 PM ET
I read the article. Thank you for the suggestion!
- TheUltimateJet


You're welcome.

EK says big trade coming down tonight maybe Laine.

I doubt it, but if so, hope it's Columbus (Werenski), Florida (Ekblad), Islanders (Pulock) or Philly (???).
Quillanrocks
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Courtenay, BC
Joined: 07.22.2013

Oct 17 @ 2:37 AM ET
You're welcome.

EK says big trade coming down tonight maybe Laine.

I doubt it, but if so, hope it's Columbus (Werenski), Florida (Ekblad), Islanders (Pulock) or Philly (???).

- grahamzky


Any of those D-men would be great as a centerpiece, though it's tough to imagine they are available, even for Laine.

Really can't see Columbus parting with Werenski.
Ekblad is intriguing, given his history with Scheifs in Barrie, but I think Florida would need a significant D-man coming back, also.
Pulock would be great (discussed aplenty already!), but I think after Barzal, he's top priority in Lou's mind. Cap challenges or not; I doubt the Islanders will have to pay Pulock more than what Laine's making.
I really don't care for any of the rumors out of Philly.

'Tis probably gonna be a LONG off-season on this front!
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 17 @ 6:32 AM ET
I've read or heard all the Lane rumors. While I don't dismiss the rumors for reasons I'll explain, I certainly don't believe Laine would be traded for cap reasons alone. Chevy has done a great job with managing cap and is actually in a good position right now for the next several years.

For arguments sake, if I were to just look at the current lineup as not being changed for the next few years, then cap-wise we are fine. Because of Little being on LTIR the Jets currently have about $5.5 MM of cap space which is more than enough to sign Roslovic and Harkins, and still have plenty of room for a trade upgrade or trade deadline deal. Next year Perreault drops off. Any replacement will be at least $2-3 MM less . If Little returns Jets save another $1 MM vs Stastny. Assume Laine gets $2 MM lmore. Lowry and Copp combined might be another 1.5 MM. Pionk gets $2 MM more. Add it all up and the net cost is and approximately $2 MM more. If the cap remained unchanged then the Jets would still have about a $2-$3 MM to spare. More likely the cap is $3 MM higher and Jets have $5-6 MM to spare and everyone is locked up . So Cap is NOT a problem. Perfetti kinda changed things as the Jets suddenly will have a cheap superstar potential center for years.

So anyone thinking that the Jets need to trade Laine for cap concerns is mistaken . Its all about whether he fits here , or is happy here. The jury is still out on both . Maybe Roslovic is ready to take his spot ,could be Appleton, could be Vesalainen. The talent is there and either ready or almost ready. Laine's line 5 vs 5 hasn't been great. So the potential is there to trade him and improve the blue line. It makes sense. My guess is that if Chevy doesn't get a very good offer for a Dman then he will wait until later in the season and see if Stastny is the answer. If a deal does come my bet is that it will be with Florida or Columbus. Ekman or Werenski.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 17 @ 8:42 AM ET
I've read or heard all the Lane rumors. While I don't dismiss the rumors for reasons I'll explain, I certainly don't believe Laine would be traded for cap reasons alone. Chevy has done a great job with managing cap and is actually in a good position right now for the next several years.

For arguments sake, if I were to just look at the current lineup as not being changed for the next few years, then cap-wise we are fine. Because of Little being on LTIR the Jets currently have about $5.5 MM of cap space which is more than enough to sign Roslovic and Harkins, and still have plenty of room for a trade upgrade or trade deadline deal. Next year Perreault drops off. Any replacement will be at least $2-3 MM less . If Little returns Jets save another $1 MM vs Stastny. Assume Laine gets $2 MM lmore. Lowry and Copp combined might be another 1.5 MM. Pionk gets $2 MM more. Add it all up and the net cost is and approximately $2 MM more. If the cap remained unchanged then the Jets would still have about a $2-$3 MM to spare. More likely the cap is $3 MM higher and Jets have $5-6 MM to spare and everyone is locked up . So Cap is NOT a problem. Perfetti kinda changed things as the Jets suddenly will have a cheap superstar potential center for years.

So anyone thinking that the Jets need to trade Laine for cap concerns is mistaken . Its all about whether he fits here , or is happy here. The jury is still out on both . Maybe Roslovic is ready to take his spot ,could be Appleton, could be Vesalainen. The talent is there and either ready or almost ready. Laine's line 5 vs 5 hasn't been great. So the potential is there to trade him and improve the blue line. It makes sense. My guess is that if Chevy doesn't get a very good offer for a Dman then he will wait until later in the season and see if Stastny is the answer. If a deal does come my bet is that it will be with Florida or Columbus. Ekman or Werenski.

- jetsnation


Yes, the Perfetti pick certainly helps the Jets salary cap wise if he lives up to expectations, and there's no reason to believe he won't. Lots of positive scouting reports. Perfetti would come off ELC just as Wheeler and Scheifele's contracts expire. Good timing.

Should Laine be traded, hoping that Roslovic can slide into his spot, or perhaps we'll get a young winger back in deal. I too wonder, and like Appleton's play, as well as Harkins. Appleton and Harkins give the Jets a couple of wingers with a lot of "get up and go" and potential to move up the line-up. Vesalainen?

Agree with you that Werenski and Ekblad may be the leading contenders should we land a d-man in deal, but never count Lou on the Island out.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 17 @ 11:57 AM ET
I'll post a snippet from Murat Ates's article today on Laine ( which can be deleted if necessary ) . Bottom line is the NHL is in a cap crunch and as I have said in the past, the teams over the cap are not going to get very good deals. Winnipeg is in a decent situation here. I'll also put in a plug for the Athletic. It's well worth subscribing to for their excellent and insightful articles.

ATES:

" Cap space is at a premium right now, limiting teams’ flexibility to make moves, and it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

With the NHL returning to last season’s $81.5 million cap, teams are already finding it difficult to do business. Five teams are already over the cap maximum and will need to trim money before the season begins. Only 12 teams have $6.75 million in cap space this season, let alone the $7.5 million qualifying offer that represents the bare minimum for Laine in 2021-22.

Without a full complement of fans in the stands — and without a full, 82-game season — revenues are going down before they go up. I don’t expect the NHL to reduce its $81.5 million cap maximum but I can’t imagine a scenario in which it goes up.

Combine another $81.5 million cap maximum with reduced internal budgets as owners contend with lost revenues and next summer’s transaction market could take a major hit. The pool of teams who can afford to trade for Laine’s $7.5 million — or more, considering that he has arbitration rights — will be much smaller next summer than it is today."
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 17 @ 1:16 PM ET
I'll post a snippet from Murat Ates's article today on Laine ( which can be deleted if necessary ) . Bottom line is the NHL is in a cap crunch and as I have said in the past, the teams over the cap are not going to get very good deals. Winnipeg is in a decent situation here. I'll also put in a plug for the Athletic. It's well worth subscribing to for their excellent articles.

ATES:

" Cap space is at a premium right now, limiting teams’ flexibility to make moves, and it’s going to get worse before it gets better.

With the NHL returning to last season’s $81.5 million cap, teams are already finding it difficult to do business. Five teams are already over the cap maximum and will need to trim money before the season begins. Only 12 teams have $6.75 million in cap space this season, let alone the $7.5 million qualifying offer that represents the bare minimum for Laine in 2021-22.

Without a full complement of fans in the stands — and without a full, 82-game season — revenues are going down before they go up. I don’t expect the NHL to reduce its $81.5 million cap maximum but I can’t imagine a scenario in which it goes up.

Combine another $81.5 million cap maximum with reduced internal budgets as owners contend with lost revenues and next summer’s transaction market could take a major hit. The pool of teams who can afford to trade for Laine’s $7.5 million — or more, considering that he has arbitration rights — will be much smaller next summer than it is today."

- jetsnation


I don't get what the point of this is, yeah it's pretty well known the league is in a cap crunch and even if the cap had risen by a bit there still wasn't a lot of teams with cap space, I'm surprised by the amount of money that's been spent so far in free agency, thought it was going to be tighter, surprised at what some guys have gotten.

"the teams over the cap are not going to get very good deals"- What does that mean, won't get good deals on what exactly?

Also any Laine trade is going to likely mean money/cap space coming to the Jets which would offset some of Laine's existing contract and whatever his next one is for whoever acquires him plus any team acquiring Laine likely has some UFA'S expiring that they can walk away from at the same time Laine will be getting his $2-3M raise so I don't think it's really going to be that hard for a team to fit Laine if they want him, there's also the possibility of whoever acquires Laine to make other trades to open up cap space or do a buyout, if a team wants him they'll figure out how to fit him in both the short and long term.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You Frigging Bisterd
Joined: 09.24.2010

Oct 17 @ 4:44 PM ET
Leafs sign Thornton. So Simmonds, Spezza and Thornton. Is Guy Lafleur still available?
- grahamzky


We’re trying to land Chara as well
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 17 @ 6:24 PM ET
We’re trying to land Chara as well
- Byfuglien Ate Me


Chara can still play in the NHL. That would be a good move for many teams.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Oct 17 @ 6:27 PM ET
We’re trying to land Chara as well
- Byfuglien Ate Me


I hope that the Laine for Barzal rumors are true. A complete 200', elite center for the 89th best RW is a no brainer. Keeps Perfetti in the minors for one more season while Scheiffs/Barz/Stats run the show. Jets would have 2 of the best 10 centers in the NHL.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 17 @ 6:40 PM ET
I hope that the Laine for Barzal rumors are true. A complete 200', elite center for the 89th best RW is a no brainer. Keeps Perfetti in the minors for one more season while Scheiffs/Barz/Stats run the show. Jets would have 2 of the best 10 centers in the NHL.
- bikeguy99


I know that the rumour came from Eklund, but on the 1/200 of 1 percent chance that it happens, I will build a statue of Chevy outside the MTS Centre !
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 17 @ 6:51 PM ET
I know that the rumour came from Eklund, but on the 1/200 of 1 percent chance that it happens, I will build a statue of Chevy outside the MTS Centre !
- bennythehat

If this happens, I will say that Chevy is the best GM in the league. I will never criticize him again.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 17 @ 6:53 PM ET
If this happens, I will say that Chevy is the best GM in the league. I will never criticize him again.
- TheUltimateJet


I will name my next child after him
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 17 @ 7:04 PM ET
I will name my next child after him
- bennythehat

bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Oct 17 @ 8:13 PM ET
If this happens, I will say that Chevy is the best GM in the league. I will never criticize him again.
- TheUltimateJet


Haha loving those responses. Yes Ek is ground zero at the rumor mill. That being said, he did get about 8 trades right this offseason (of his 90ish trade rumors). Nonetheless, the isles top D, and top C are both due for massive pay raises, and their 8M cap space just isn't going to cut it. Most of their contracts are terrible and un-tradable. Maybe Leddy or Cizikas could get shipped out, but they are moving anything else unless they add 1st rd picks to the packages. If Dadanov had to take a 3 year 5M AAV deal from Ott, then chances are Lee/Ladd/Bailey/Komorov/Boychuck/Nelson/Eberle are stuck in the island until the their mid-late 30's.

I still have no clue how Lou was the GM of the year. His contracts look like Detroits contract situation from 6 years ago. They had to ride out some dark times and are finally starting to see the light now.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You Frigging Bisterd
Joined: 09.24.2010

Oct 17 @ 8:24 PM ET
Chara can still play in the NHL. That would be a good move for many teams.
- grahamzky


100%

Talking heads have been saying it may be the Bruins that want to move on.
Byfuglien Ate Me
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: You Frigging Bisterd
Joined: 09.24.2010

Oct 17 @ 8:28 PM ET
I hope that the Laine for Barzal rumors are true. A complete 200', elite center for the 89th best RW is a no brainer. Keeps Perfetti in the minors for one more season while Scheiffs/Barz/Stats run the show. Jets would have 2 of the best 10 centers in the NHL.
- bikeguy99


Even if it’s close to what’s being reported and the Jets add the pick or a prospect you do it.

That would be a Stella Ave. Stickup for Chevy! Robbery
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 17 @ 8:35 PM ET
Even if it’s close to what’s being reported and the Jets add the pick or a prospect you do it.

That would be a Stella Ave. Stickup for Chevy! Robbery

- Byfuglien Ate Me


We could throw in Niku
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