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TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 10 @ 5:59 PM ET
I've got Maurice with 272-190-54 regular season record.
I've also got him with a 12-19 playoff record, zero division titles and zero trips to the stanley cup with the Jets. But maybe those other numbers don't matter.

- BWJumper

As long Maurice stays a media darling and gives out quotes, people in this market will think he's great!
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 10 @ 6:03 PM ET
Vegas appreciates this deal as it allowed them to get Robin Lehner!
- TheUltimateJet


Exactly this!
If Chevy doesn't send them a pick for Eakin is anyone else calling Vegas for him? I doubt it!
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 10 @ 6:04 PM ET
As long Maurice stays a media darling and gives out quotes, people in this market will think he's great!
- TheUltimateJet


Yup, exactly
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:17 PM ET
I've got Maurice with 272-190-54 regular season record.
I've also got him with a 12-19 playoff record, zero division titles and zero trips to the stanley cup with the Jets. But maybe those other numbers don't matter.

- BWJumper



54 is correct...my mistake.

Maurice's fault that he was saddled with Pavelec for a few seasons. Maurice's fault that Laine and Schiefele got injured last season. Maurice's fault that Buff retired. Maurice's fault that Chevy mishandled the Trouba situation. Maurice's fault that aside from Helly, that Chevy was basically M.I.A. in later rounds in every draft.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 10 @ 6:33 PM ET
Exactly this!
If Chevy doesn't send them a pick for Eakin is anyone else calling Vegas for him? I doubt it!

- JetFuel

Furthermore, Chevy has given Vegas back-to-back 4th round picks to take on bad contracts to help Vegas clear up cap space. It's highly contradictory to what he always preaches about the importance of accumulating draft assets.

I think Chevy should have forced Vegas to send us picks and prospects to take on bad contracts and not the other way around. It is nice to see a Manitoban in Kelly McCrimmon benefitting from Chevy's top 5 management ability!
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 10 @ 6:45 PM ET
54 is correct...my mistake.

Maurice's fault that he was saddled with Pavelec for a few seasons. Maurice's fault that Laine and Schiefele got injured last season. Maurice's fault that Buff retired. Maurice's fault that Chevy mishandled the Trouba situation. Maurice's fault that aside from Helly, that Chevy was basically M.I.A. in later rounds in every draft.

- bennythehat



Is Maurice somehow unique that problems occur for him and not the other 30 coaches in the NHL?
You stay a coach in the NHL by delivering results not excuses.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 10 @ 6:54 PM ET
557 579 60

OR

557 479 60 100

Depends on how you prefer to read it. Would you consider this a good coaching record ?
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 10 @ 6:57 PM ET
Furthermore, Chevy has given Vegas back-to-back 4th round picks to take on bad contracts to help Vegas clear up cap space. It's highly contradictory to what he always preaches about the importance of accumulating draft assets.

I think Chevy should have forced Vegas to send us picks and prospects to take on bad contracts and not the other way around. It is nice to see a Manitoban in Kelly McCrimmon benefitting from Chevy's top 5 management ability!

- TheUltimateJet


I do wonder what the actual market for Stastny was. It seems the Jets jumped at the notion of getting him for free before realizing that they were doing Vegas a favour.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 10 @ 7:12 PM ET
30 coaches don’t win the cup each year. Even higher number if you count the fired ones. Quite a number of teams have gone thru 3-4 coaches during Maurice’s tenure and they are no closer than we are to a cup. We overrate our team’s talent (as do fans in every city).....not always the coach’s fault
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 10 @ 7:39 PM ET
30 coaches don’t win the cup each year. Even higher number if you count the fired ones. Quite a number of teams have gone thru 3-4 coaches during Maurice’s tenure and they are no closer than we are to a cup. We overrate our team’s talent (as do fans in every city).....not always the coach’s fault
- bennythehat

It's someone's fault. We keep getting told that we have a super talented team. If we get no results than one of Chevy or Maurice or both need to go.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 10 @ 7:41 PM ET
557 579 60

OR

557 479 60 100

Depends on how you prefer to read it. Would you consider this a good coaching record ?

- jetsnation

Since you represent the organization, you tell us.
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 10 @ 7:43 PM ET
30 coaches don’t win the cup each year. Even higher number if you count the fired ones. Quite a number of teams have gone thru 3-4 coaches during Maurice’s tenure and they are no closer than we are to a cup. We overrate our team’s talent (as do fans in every city).....not always the coach’s fault
- bennythehat



Not exactly a ringing endorsement comparing Maurice's tenure with the Jets with inept organizations who go through 3-4 coaches and are currently in the same position as the Jets
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

Oct 10 @ 7:45 PM ET
30 coaches don’t win the cup each year. Even higher number if you count the fired ones. Quite a number of teams have gone thru 3-4 coaches during Maurice’s tenure and they are no closer than we are to a cup. We overrate our team’s talent (as do fans in every city).....not always the coach’s fault
- bennythehat
In a previous post I listed few problems that plague the Jets in which its up to Maurice to try and rectify. These problems are well documented yet every year they don't seem to be addressed. He was horribly out coached by Gallant when the Jets had a great team because he refused to change his game plan after game 3. Some examples of how he mismanaged players.
He held Scheifele back at least a season by playing him on the 3rd line with useless plugs only to put him on the top line when Little was hurt. He took off after that.
Morrissey was sent down for three years and was about to be send down to the Moose until Buff demanded that he becomes his partner. He took off after that.
Connor was sent down to the Moose until there was a injury that force Maurice to recall him. He then was had a great rookie season.
Laine is a very good 30 goal 200 foot player but will he become the 50 goal scorer that hockey minds believes he is being forced into Maurices dump and chaise philosophy.
No faith in young draft and develop players. Stubbornly refuses to change any system the Jets have. He has the talent but watching them chasing inferior teams in their own zone, unable to get out of their own end shift after shift is unacceptable given the talent, what all hockey minds say the Jets have.
I fear as long as Maurice is the Jets coach they will not win the cup




jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 10 @ 7:46 PM ET
Since you represent the organization, you tell us.
- TheUltimateJet


That is Barry Trotz's coaching record. Pretty much the same winning percentage as Maurice.


TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 10 @ 7:51 PM ET
That is Barry Trotz's coaching record. Pretty much the same winning percentage as Maurice.
- jetsnation

The same Barry Trotz who was the first coach of Nashville? Correct me if I am wrong but did it not take Nashville at least 5 years to get some real talent?

He didn't have guys like Scheifele, Byfuglien, Wheeler, Kane, Bogosian, Little and Ladd on his team's, did he.

Go back to the early Nashville teams and compare them to the Jets, Leafs and Hurricanes/Whalers teams that Maurice coached.
Quillanrocks
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Courtenay, BC
Joined: 07.22.2013

Oct 10 @ 9:29 PM ET
I’m not trading Ehlers.
- Ross77



Just trying to make my point and picked Ehlers cuz Laine is likely too expensive for the Islanders, both in dollars, resign cost, AND acquisition price. My point is: Trade forwards and/or prospects and/or picks to acquire a top pairing or top 4 d-man; DON'T trade one of the better defenders we already have!

JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 10 @ 10:49 PM ET
Jets signed C/W Dominic Toninato, $700K two way deal, probably just a Moose player, from Duluth and played at UMD with Pionk.
Was a 5th round pick by the Leafs in 2012, has
14 points in 85 games with the Avs and Panthers over three seasons.

With this signing the Jets are clearly killing it in free agency... 😂
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 10 @ 11:33 PM ET
Jets signed C/W Dominic Toninato, $700K two way deal, probably just a Moose player, from Duluth and played at UMD with Pionk.
Was a 5th round pick by the Leafs in 2012, has
14 points in 85 games with the Avs and Panthers over three seasons.

With this signing the Jets are clearly killing it in free agency... 😂

- JetFuel


Well as long as the myth about no one wanting to play in Winnipeg keeps being perpetuated by True North and the media, Jets fans will continue to accept mediocrity. It also makes the job of the GM much easier, whereas if the fans believe no one wants to be here than why expect more.

I still have not seen an example of a player turning down significant more money here to play elsewhere. Further to that, I pay close attention to the end of the year pressers. Not once in 9 years have I heard Chevy say that he tried to make moves where players on other team refused to waive their NMC's to come to Winnipeg. Further to that, how many times have trades fallen through due to players refusing to waive their NMC's.

I remember a few years back where Tyler Johnson refused to waive his NMC to go to St. Louis in a trade for Shattenkirk and it was well publicized.

Just some more Ultimate thoughts for a Covid-19 Saturday night......
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 10 @ 11:36 PM ET
Just trying to make my point and picked Ehlers cuz Laine is likely too expensive for the Islanders, both in dollars, resign cost, AND acquisition price. My point is: Trade forwards and/or prospects and/or picks to acquire a top pairing or top 4 d-man; DON'T trade one of the better defenders we already have!
- Quillanrocks

You always have to think about upgrading your positions. For example if Pittsburgh, Colorado or Edmonton offered us Crosby, Malkin, MacKinnon, McDavid or Draisatl for Scheifele, would you not make that deal?

Same situation for trading Pionk for Pullock. I love Ross77's idea!
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Oct 11 @ 8:53 AM ET
Jets signed C/W Dominic Toninato, $700K two way deal, probably just a Moose player, from Duluth and played at UMD with Pionk.
Was a 5th round pick by the Leafs in 2012, has
14 points in 85 games with the Avs and Panthers over three seasons.

With this signing the Jets are clearly killing it in free agency... 😂

- JetFuel


But every team has their depth plugs, Wpg just signed the plugs they wanted. I will take Nate Thompson any day over Nick Shore as a depth plug so nothing to get excited about.

Look at all Wpg's plugs like Griffin, Shaw, Schilling, Bittetto, Eakin (I consider Eakin a plug) all got signed by other teams so every team has them and Wpg has to find some players for the Moose as well as Lipon is gone and few other wern't qualified. So, nothing sexy in a FA signing except the depth plugs which every team has and needs.

There is still 3 months of time left to make a hockey trade and swap players and hopefully get an upgrade on D or bottom 6. Hopefully they can dump Perreault's salary somehow, total waste of money there.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 11 @ 10:28 AM ET
But every team has their depth plugs, Wpg just signed the plugs they wanted. I will take Nate Thompson any day over Nick Shore as a depth plug so nothing to get excited about.

Look at all Wpg's plugs like Griffin, Shaw, Schilling, Bittetto, Eakin (I consider Eakin a plug) all got signed by other teams so every team has them and Wpg has to find some players for the Moose as well as Lipon is gone and few other wern't qualified. So, nothing sexy in a FA signing except the depth plugs which every team has and needs.

There is still 3 months of time left to make a hockey trade and swap players and hopefully get an upgrade on D or bottom 6. Hopefully they can dump Perreault's salary somehow, total waste of money there.

- Old Flopper


Yeah I know, wasn't excited about it at all, just thought I'd mention it, made me laugh that while other teams are adding some decent pieces through free agency, not the Jets, we're signing Dominic Toninato, classic Jets.. Lol

I do like the Thompson signing and yes he's much better then a guy like Letestu or Bourque, this has been one of the issues with the Jets, when it comes down to filling out your 4th line/plugs they pick the worst plugs, glad they picked a better one this time in Thompson!

A lot of decent depth players have signed around the league for pretty cheap, would've been good to have grabbed some of them.
Old Flopper
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 08.06.2020

Oct 11 @ 10:38 AM ET
Statsny will be good for Ehlers and Laine and will help educate these guys for the next year. I understand its stop gap but there is still a serviceable player there with great IQ that can still play.

Same with Thompson, good faceoff % and was used alot in Dzone faceoffs. He'll be able to share some info to these young guys liks Harkins and Appleton and hwoever else. Good plug signing.





Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Oct 11 @ 12:18 PM ET
Morrissey-DeMelo
Forbort-Pionk
Beaulieu-Poolman
Sbisa

That’s your blueline. Add in Thompson stealing a 4th line job, probably from Appleton or Harkins.
I was so happy with Perfetti and Stastny. Now the dream is dead.

All I can hope for in this life is to find someone who loves me as much as the Jets love pushing home grown talent down the depth chart for other teams’ scraps. Draft and develop my ass.

*edit* Thompson just sucks, by the way. I don’t care about faceoff percentage. A faceoff is the same thing as any other puck battle anywhere on the ice, just with everyone stood still.
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

Oct 11 @ 12:23 PM ET
Morrissey-DeMelo
Forbort-Pionk
Beaulieu-Poolman
Sbisa

That’s your blueline. Add in Thompson stealing a 4th line job, probably from Appleton or Harkins.
I was so happy with Perfetti and Stastny. Now the dream is dead.

All I can hope for in this life is to find someone who loves me as much as the Jets love pushing home grown talent down the depth chart for other teams’ scraps. Draft and develop my ass.

*edit* Thompson just sucks, by the way. I don’t care about faceoff percentage. A faceoff is the same thing as any other puck battle anywhere on the ice, just with everyone stood still.

- Rexypoo
How true.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 11 @ 12:31 PM ET
Morrissey-DeMelo
Forbort-Pionk
Beaulieu-Poolman
Sbisa

That’s your blueline. Add in Thompson stealing a 4th line job, probably from Appleton or Harkins.
I was so happy with Perfetti and Stastny. Now the dream is dead.

All I can hope for in this life is to find someone who loves me as much as the Jets love pushing home grown talent down the depth chart for other teams’ scraps. Draft and develop my ass.

*edit* Thompson just sucks, by the way. I don’t care about faceoff percentage. A faceoff is the same thing as any other puck battle anywhere on the ice, just with everyone stood still.

- Rexypoo


Fobort is just a depth addition. So is Nate Thompson and those other recent signings Beaulieu and Pionk are definite pairing partners. I still think Chevy is hunting for a 2nd pairing defenseman though,but if so, it would need to involve a trade.



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