Food (Turkey leftovers) for Thought

Winning the AHL Best D-Man award is not any guarantee of NHL success. The last 5 winners have been:Bean, Redmond, Niku, Taormina, Brennan. TJ Brennan actually won it twice and that has got him 53 games in the show.

Coaches are paid to win games and cups. I assume that if the coach felt that a player would help accomplish that, he would be playing ahead of someone who wasn't helping the cause.

Roslovic is/was not going to take a spot away from Wheeler, Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Schiefele, or Little. 3rd liner at best on the Jets. Maybe Jack should accept his role and try to perfect it. A lot of hot-shot scorers come to the NHL from Junior or College and find themselves unable to crack the top 2 lines. Some adapt, some don't.

There must be a trade brewing with Chevy....we now have too many LHD's under contract.
- bennythehat

You basically want to compare rookie prospects with career minor leaguers. There's a difference between TJ Brennan bouncing around the NHL for a few years and then winning the award and Niku a professional rookie doing it.

What is your point here ? Vegas ate a salary just like I said they would. We got rid of Dahlstrom's $850k in salary.We didn't need him. Vegas didn't need him and according to blogs they are sending him to the AHL. We effectively got Statsny for $5.65 MM . I call that a win.
- jetsnation

No. Because Dahlstrom is better than Sbisa and Beaulieu. We gave them salary relief and a useful 6/7 defenceman for a player they would’ve paid to get rid of. They should’ve been paying us

You basically want to compare rookie prospects with career minor leaguers. There's a difference between TJ Brennan bouncing around the NHL for a few years and then winning the award and Niku a professional rookie doing it.
- BWJumper

Look at Morrissey’s debut season in the AHL.
Now look at Niku’s.
One was drafted in round 1, and hand picked by Byfuglien.
The other was not.

Draft position and daddy Dustin are the reasons why we are here with only one of those defencemen having made it.

Why do the Jets always over ripen all their prospect past the time they're ready? Other rookies come into the league and make rookie mistakes but play to a high level. Samberg. Niku and Henola should be on the roster as they have to be better than Sbiza, Beaulieu and Forbort. Its Maurice and his love for old washed up players that will keep the young d-men off the roster. Maurice is ruining the Jets. Due to the weak defense last season Maurice has bought himself another 1/2 years.
- islansjet

They don’t have to be better, we want them to be better. Best development for them is to get significant ice time in all situations in a league at a level they haven’t experienced before.

Look at Morrissey’s debut season in the AHL.
Now look at Niku’s.
One was drafted in round 1, and hand picked by Byfuglien.
The other was not.

Draft position and daddy Dustin are the reasons why we are here with only one of those defencemen having made it.
- Rexypoo

Draft position ? Nonsense ! Either you have it or you don't. Lots of higher picks have flopped - Petan, Stanley, Comrie, Sutter, Glover. They didn't magically make the Jets just because they were higher picks.

As far as comparing Niku to Morrissey is concerned....that's laughable !

Why do the Jets always over ripen all their prospect past the time they're ready? Other rookies come into the league and make rookie mistakes but play to a high level. Samberg. Niku and Henola should be on the roster as they have to be better than Sbiza, Beaulieu and Forbort. Its Maurice and his love for old washed up players that will keep the young d-men off the roster. Maurice is ruining the Jets. Due to the weak defense last season Maurice has bought himself another 1/2 years.
- islansjet

I think Sbisa is actually pretty good. For a big guy he skates very well, hits like a freight train, and sheds the gloves at the drop of the hat. As a 3rd pairing D, I am a big fan. Beaulieu and Fobort would not crack most nhl rosters this season, but the Jets need some cheap fill in players.

Now why rush Samberg and Niku? Are the Jets winning the cup this year? Likely not, and burning a year of these prospects entry level won't help the club out. Ville has just 11 games on North American ice and giving him a full season as the lead guy with the Moose is going to prepare him best for the NHL. He is only 19 years old and then the Jets can have his entry level deal for the following 3. Samberg is already 21, and if he impresses at camp, maybe he will get a shot. Only time will tell but I sure wouldn't rush these guys in. Niku needs to make an NHL impact this year tho. No doubt about it.

Maybe they can get creative and free up cap to ink a short term deal on Vats/Hutton/Gustafsson.... But I doubt they can afford it.

You basically want to compare rookie prospects with career minor leaguers. There's a difference between TJ Brennan bouncing around the NHL for a few years and then winning the award and Niku a professional rookie doing it.
- BWJumper

Winning the award still means zilch in the big picture. Sort of like being the all-time leading home run hitter in AA baseball.

I think Sbisa is actually pretty good. For a big guy he skates very well, hits like a freight train, and sheds the gloves at the drop of the hat. As a 3rd pairing D, I am a big fan. Beaulieu and Fobort would not crack most nhl rosters this season, but the Jets need some cheap fill in players.

Now why rush Samberg and Niku? Are the Jets winning the cup this year? Likely not, and burning a year of these prospects entry level won't help the club out. Ville has just 11 games on North American ice and giving him a full season as the lead guy with the Moose is going to prepare him best for the NHL. He is only 19 years old and then the Jets can have his entry level deal for the following 3. Samberg is already 21, and if he impresses at camp, maybe he will get a shot. Only time will tell but I sure wouldn't rush these guys in. Niku needs to make an NHL impact this year tho. No doubt about it.
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- bikeguy99

Bikeguy gets it !

Winning the award still means zilch in the big picture. Sort of like being the all-time leading home run hitter in AA baseball.
- bennythehat

Your example applies more to TJ Brennan than Niku.

Winning the award as a 21 year old prospect showed potential. Is that a guarantee that he will be an NHL dman? No. But maybe you want him on the roster before keeping Sbisa, Dahlstrom, and Bitetto which the Jets did last year.

I think Sbisa is actually pretty good. For a big guy he skates very well, hits like a freight train, and sheds the gloves at the drop of the hat. As a 3rd pairing D, I am a big fan. Beaulieu and Fobort would not crack most nhl rosters this season, but the Jets need some cheap fill in players.

Now why rush Samberg and Niku? Are the Jets winning the cup this year? Likely not, and burning a year of these prospects entry level won't help the club out. Ville has just 11 games on North American ice and giving him a full season as the lead guy with the Moose is going to prepare him best for the NHL. He is only 19 years old and then the Jets can have his entry level deal for the following 3. Samberg is already 21, and if he impresses at camp, maybe he will get a shot. Only time will tell but I sure wouldn't rush these guys in. Niku needs to make an NHL impact this year tho. No doubt about it.

Maybe they can get creative and free up cap to ink a short term deal on Vats/Hutton/Gustafsson.... But I doubt they can afford it.
- bikeguy99

Why can't the Jets win the cup this year? They were 2 points behind the western conference champions in the standings.

Why can't the Jets win the cup this year? They were 2 points behind the western conference champions in the standings.
- BWJumper

I'd say that they are one solid Dman away from having a team that can legitimately compete for the cup. The Jets can always get that player at the trade deadline as opposed to now. They also need some injury luck this year because last year was a complete nightmare.

The Avalanche just acquired RFA top 4 LHD
Devon Toews from the Islanders for two 2nd round picks, Chevy missed out on another trade!

There's your 2nd pair LHD to partner with Pionk, oh well, can't get them all I guess, or any of them if you're the Jets apparently....

The Avalanche just acquired RFA top 4 LHD
Devon Toews from the Islanders for two 2nd round picks, Chevy missed out on another trade!

There's your 2nd pair LHD to partner with Pionk, oh well, can't get them all I guess, or any of them if you're the Jets apparently....
- JetFuel

While I'd be happy to have Toews on the Jets , this particular trade just demonstrates to cost of being too close to the cap. Cleary the Islanders acted to free up room to sign Barzal as they only had $8.3 MM in cap left. Quite costly for them to lose a really good young Dman like that despite his RFA/arbitration status. It provides some reference for Roslovic .

I bet Boston is in deep on Nate Schmidt right now as they desperately need a defenseman.

While I'd be happy to have Toews on the Jets , this particular trade just demonstrates to cost of being too close to the cap. Cleary the Islanders acted to free up room to sign Barzal as they only had $8.3 MM in cap left. Quite costly for them to lose a really good young Dman like that despite his RFA/arbitration status. It provides some reference for Roslovic .

I bet Boston is in deep on Nate Schmidt right now as they desperately need a defenseman.
- jetsnation

How does it have any reference for Roslo?
That makes no sense at all!.. Lol

This trade demonstrates a team with a lot of bad contracts and a GM that has made some bad signings himself(Komarov) and hasn't acted quick enough to get rid of some bad deals that he inherited. (Boychuck)

It also demonstrates how Chevy is too inactive building the Jets lineup as this is a trade he absolutely should of made!
It's also one Boston should of made, don't know where Sweeney was either.

How does it have any reference for Roslo?
That makes no sense at all!.. Lol

This trade demonstrates a team with a lot of bad contracts and a GM that has made some bad signings himself(Komarov) and hasn't acted quick enough to get rid of some bad deals that he inherited. (Boychuck)

It also demonstrates how Chevy is too inactive building the Jets lineup as this is a trade he absolutely should of made!
It's also one Boston should of made, don't know where Sweeney was either.
- JetFuel

Inactive! Are you crazy he went out and signed 4 dmen and ripped Vegas off acquiring Stastny for nothing, actually less then nothing, he hoodwinked them into taking a league minimum contract back.

I think Sbisa is actually pretty good. For a big guy he skates very well, hits like a freight train, and sheds the gloves at the drop of the hat. As a 3rd pairing D, I am a big fan. Beaulieu and Fobort would not crack most nhl rosters this season, but the Jets need some cheap fill in players.

Now why rush Samberg and Niku? Are the Jets winning the cup this year? Likely not, and burning a year of these prospects entry level won't help the club out. Ville has just 11 games on North American ice and giving him a full season as the lead guy with the Moose is going to prepare him best for the NHL. He is only 19 years old and then the Jets can have his entry level deal for the following 3. Samberg is already 21, and if he impresses at camp, maybe he will get a shot. Only time will tell but I sure wouldn't rush these guys in. Niku needs to make an NHL impact this year tho. No doubt about it.

Maybe they can get creative and free up cap to ink a short term deal on Vats/Hutton/Gustafsson.... But I doubt they can afford it.
- bikeguy99

Correct me if I am wrong, but does playing in the AHL still not burn of a year of his ELC?

I'd say that they are one solid Dman away from having a team that can legitimately compete for the cup. The Jets can always get that player at the trade deadline as opposed to now. They also need some injury luck this year because last year was a complete nightmare.
- jetsnation

Why would you want to wait until the trade deadline? Would you not want that player to develop chemistry with his teammates sooner than later? You always talk about bringing back familiar players because they understand Maurice's systems. It would be a disservice to that player if they have to learn them on short notice.

Inactive! Are you crazy he went out and signed 4 dmen and ripped Vegas off acquiring Stastny for nothing, actually less then nothing, he hoodwinked them into taking a league minimum contract back.

- BWJumper

Yup Chevy sure drove a hard bargain getting Vegas to take back a guy they can bury in the minors for full cap relief... 😂

Draft position ? Nonsense ! Either you have it or you don't. Lots of higher picks have flopped - Petan, Stanley, Comrie, Sutter, Glover. They didn't magically make the Jets just because they were higher picks.

As far as comparing Niku to Morrissey is concerned....that's laughable !
- bennythehat

Everyone you listed, besides Petan, should not have been drafted where they were. They were picked for size.
Goalies are voodoo, so Comrie doesn’t matter.
Petan was screwed by the organization.

Long story short, your point isn’t a point

Inactive! Are you crazy he went out and signed 4 dmen and ripped Vegas off acquiring Stastny for nothing, actually less then nothing, he hoodwinked them into taking a league minimum contract back.

- BWJumper

He went out and signed 1 guy he should’ve had under an extension months ago, then got some fringe defencemen that weren’t as good as other options in the same price range, then paid Vegas for a player they were desperate to get rid of.

Vegas then used that new cap space to further strengthen their lineup, essentially c*ck blocking us out of the conference for the remainder of our core’s prime years

I'd say that they are one solid Dman away from having a team that can legitimately compete for the cup. The Jets can always get that player at the trade deadline as opposed to now. They also need some injury luck this year because last year was a complete nightmare.
- jetsnation

Why not do it now? Heinola and Samberg are going to end up your #1 and #2 defencemen, especially if Morrissey doesn’t recover.

The current blueline doesn’t make the playoffs, and the Jets are no longer in a strong enough position to be sending off picks and prospects

He went out and signed 1 guy he should’ve had under an extension months ago, then got some fringe defencemen that weren’t as good as other options in the same price range, then paid Vegas for a player they were desperate to get rid of.

Vegas then used that new cap space to further strengthen their lineup, essentially c*ck blocking us out of the conference for the remainder of our core’s prime years
- Rexypoo

Vegas just signed Pietrangelo to a long term deal. I am thinking the Jets will do something shortly to take one of their big money contracts.

Vegas just signed Pietrangelo to a long term deal. I am thinking the Jets will do something shortly to take one of their big money contracts.
- TheUltimateJet

We’re gonna get Martinez and fix absolutely nothing while also helping them

While I'd be happy to have Toews on the Jets , this particular trade just demonstrates to cost of being too close to the cap. Cleary the Islanders acted to free up room to sign Barzal as they only had $8.3 MM in cap left. Quite costly for them to lose a really good young Dman like that despite his RFA/arbitration status. It provides some reference for Roslovic .

I bet Boston is in deep on Nate Schmidt right now as they desperately need a defenseman.
- jetsnation

With Vegas signing Pietrangelo for 8.8, will either Schnidt OR Shea Theodore be available? Or does Vegas trade Fleury or go the LTIR route?

I'd say that they are one solid Dman away from having a team that can legitimately compete for the cup. The Jets can always get that player at the trade deadline as opposed to now. They also need some injury luck this year because last year was a complete nightmare.
- jetsnation

I agree,as the Jets stand right now, they are one top-four d-man away from being a legit contender.

But who is that d-man? Pulock, Werenski, Schmodt, Theodore? Sanheim? Pesce? Ekblad? Sergachev? Cernak? Dumba?

No someone of these you may not consider top-4, or some of these are very, very likely not available. But who?