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Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Oct 13 @ 7:28 AM ET
Everyone you listed, besides Petan, should not have been drafted where they were. They were picked for size.
Goalies are voodoo, so Comrie doesn’t matter.
Petan was screwed by the organization.

Long story short, your point isn’t a point

- Rexypoo


lets not call 3rd round picks high ( Glover ) , Comrie is small and the jets have had as many small guys drafted turn into busts as big guys. more draft picks than not don't make it.

Petan cleared waivers so I guess he's been screwed by everyone now and every team in the nhl has drafted and screwed guys like petan, its not a Winnipeg thing
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 13 @ 7:55 AM ET
100% Ross. However, you wasting your time trying to teach Rexy and Ultimate this very simple concept. They will blame it on everyone from the coach to the GM to the trainer. Not every player makes it, and players like Petan, Dano, Postma, etc were just not NHL material. ( and maybe even Niku...jury is still out on him.),

Roslovic is an example of a player who is in fact NHL material but is on a team that has an exceptionally talented top six. His talents don't really belong on a checking line like the Jets third line, and he deserves better than 4th line minutes. The dilemma is that he is good enough to fill in on any injury to the top six and worth keeping around from the organization's perspective, but at the same time, he is not happy with his situation and has some power as an ( RFA) . It didn't help his case when Perfetti fell into our laps and Stastny got signed. Most NHL players are going to have a player or two in similar situations.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 13 @ 8:33 AM ET
As I have said before, the NHL isn't TIMBITS Hockey. Not everyone gets the same opportunities. Coaches go with what they believe is their best lineup to win games.

Sometimes players just don't have what it takes and sometimes they are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 13 @ 9:35 AM ET
100% Ross. However, you wasting your time trying to teach Rexy and Ultimate this very simple concept. They will blame it on everyone from the coach to the GM to the trainer. Not every player makes it, and players like Petan, Dano, Postma, etc were just not NHL material. ( and maybe even Niku...jury is still out on him.),

Roslovic is an example of a player who is in fact NHL material but is on a team that has an exceptionally talented top six. His talents don't really belong on a checking line like the Jets third line, and he deserves better than 4th line minutes. The dilemma is that he is good enough to fill in on any injury to the top six and worth keeping around from the organization's perspective, but at the same time, he is not happy with his situation and has some power as an ( RFA) . It didn't help his case when Perfetti fell into our laps and Stastny got signed. Most NHL players are going to have a player or two in similar situations.

- jetsnation


You contradict yourself all the time! When those contradictions are exposed, then it's Rexy and Ultimates fault they don't understand you.

Hoping for your sake you win the employee of the month award for October. You are a great company man!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 13 @ 9:36 AM ET
As I have said before, the NHL isn't TIMBITS Hockey. Not everyone gets the same opportunities. Coaches go with what they believe is their best lineup to win games.

Sometimes players just don't have what it takes and sometimes they are just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

- bennythehat

This is a great point!
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

Oct 13 @ 10:27 AM ET
Why can't the Jets win the cup this year? They were 2 points behind the western conference champions in the standings.
- BWJumper


They can win. I am not saying they can't. But you would be wrong to expect them to come out as cup favorites. Looking at Vegas/Colorado, do you think you are a better team? It is the GM's job to look at the roster and choose his risks. Do you want another 1st rd pick being traded at the deadline for a rental? Likely you would hope that Chevy doesn't do that again, and uses what he has. So do you call up young prospects and play them 9 minutes a night, or do you give them a season of top minutes duties in the minors, and retain their ELC? Anything is possible, the blues are proof of that. But unless Samberg and Ville are dominating in pre-season, I'd season them a year in the AHL. Again, not Niku. He has developed plenty in the AHL and now it is time to see how it translates with the Jets.

Safe to say the Jets weren't on Schmidts MNTC. What a bargain for a 3rd.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 13 @ 10:43 AM ET
lets not call 3rd round picks high ( Glover ) , Comrie is small and the jets have had as many small guys drafted turn into busts as big guys. more draft picks than not don't make it.

Petan cleared waivers so I guess he's been screwed by everyone now and every team in the nhl has drafted and screwed guys like petan, its not a Winnipeg thing

- Ross77


I hope that the Jets are able to emulate Tampa Bay's drafting record one day. Tampa Bay has so many guys drafted outside the first round that have turned into impact players: Point, Kucherov, Cirelli, Palat, Killorn to name a few. They have also done good at finding gems in undrafted free agents in: Johnson and Gourde. They have also doe well at maximizing asset value see both the Namestnikov and Miller trades. They have also shown fearlessness in making bold moves such as trading #4 overall pick in Drouin for Sergachev,

Looking at that list, none of it has anything do with tax advantages or stuff like that.

I think the biggest free agent signing the Jets could make is somehow stealing the director of scouting from Tampa Bay whenever his contract comes up!
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 13 @ 10:51 AM ET
I hope that the Jets are able to emulate Tampa Bay's drafting record one day. Tampa Bay has so many guys drafted outside the first round that have turned into impact players: Point, Kucherov, Cirelli, Palat, Killorn to name a few. They have also done good at finding gems in undrafted free agents in: Johnson and Gourde. They have also doe well at maximizing asset value see both the Namestnikov and Miller trades. They have also shown fearlessness in making bold moves such as trading #4 overall pick in Drouin for Sergachev,

Looking at that list, none of it has anything do with tax advantages or stuff like that.

I think the biggest free agent signing the Jets could make is somehow stealing the director of scouting from Tampa Bay whenever his contract comes up!

- TheUltimateJet


Almost all of the above-mentioned players spent time in the AHL developing.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Oct 13 @ 12:09 PM ET
Almost all of the above-mentioned players spent time in the AHL developing.
- bennythehat

Would you say that we have a problem with our AHL development system? For some reason their AHL success is not translating to NHL success.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 13 @ 12:36 PM ET
Would you say that we have a problem with our AHL development system? For some reason their AHL success is not translating to NHL success.
- TheUltimateJet


The Moose have certainly developed some good young players for the Jets. I think the problem is more with our drafting. Jets always seems to draft a player that is just like a player they already have, hence there is no forseeable roster spot for the prospect.
Examples - you have Niku, do you need to pick Heinola ?
You have Copp and Lowry, do you need to pick Gustavsson ?
Maybe we could have been drafting a big LHD or a 2nd line center prospect instead ?





jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 13 @ 12:51 PM ET
I was scanning some of the rosters last night to see who is still in cap trouble. Then I came across the Devils. Man, have they ever completely screwed up in just about every way. Their lineup is basically stud Nico Hischier, and that's it. Most other players will soon be UFA's . Subban is way overpaid at $9 MM. Just a complete trainwreck of a roster.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 13 @ 12:55 PM ET
I wonder how many places, if any, Stutzle would have fallen if he had broken his leg before the draft and then how that would have changed the draft dynamics ?
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 13 @ 1:45 PM ET
I wonder how many places, if any, Stutzle would have fallen if he had broken his leg before the draft and then how that would have changed the draft dynamics ?
- jetsnation


Arm I believe. Regardless, with the season starting (?) so late, no think it would have made a difference.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Oct 13 @ 2:00 PM ET
I was scanning some of the rosters last night to see who is still in cap trouble. Then I came across the Devils. Man, have they ever completely screwed up in just about every way. Their lineup is basically stud Nico Hischier, and that's it. Most other players will soon be UFA's . Subban is way overpaid at $9 MM. Just a complete trainwreck of a roster.
- jetsnation


Yea not much there is there? Hischier, Hughes, Boquist, Severson and ??? See nothing happening now with the Jets.

Ottawa? Now could be a different story. Need about $6M+ to reach the cap I believe. Maybe one could interest them in Perreault to meet their needs - and give us a 3rd rd pick in return? The Sens can use another vet or two.

Perreault can still be useful when healthy - and if he is successful they can recoup their pick, or better, and more at the deadline. Do what the Red Wings are doing, sign veterans or reclamation projects to one-year deals or who are UFA in one year, hope they produce and then trade for draft picks at the deadline.

That's how you rebuild.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 13 @ 2:06 PM ET
I was scanning some of the rosters last night to see who is still in cap trouble. Then I came across the Devils. Man, have they ever completely screwed up in just about every way. Their lineup is basically stud Nico Hischier, and that's it. Most other players will soon be UFA's . Subban is way overpaid at $9 MM. Just a complete trainwreck of a roster.
- jetsnation


Idk, it's coming along there and the Devils new GM did really well in the Hall and Coleman trades, still can't believe what he got for Coleman.. Lol
There new GM seems like he was a pretty good pick for the job, another two to three years and they could be a force, that is if Hughes doesn't end up being a bust.
JetFuel
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 10.08.2019

Oct 13 @ 2:10 PM ET
Yea not much there is there? Hischier, Hughes, Boquist, Severson and ??? See nothing happening now with the Jets.

Ottawa? Now could be a different story. Need about $6M+ to reach the cap I believe. Maybe one could interest them in Perreault to meet their needs - and give us a 3rd rd pick in return? The Sens can use another vet or two.

Perreault can still be useful when healthy - and if he is successful they can recoup their pick, or better, and more at the deadline. Do what the Red Wings are doing, sign veterans or reclamation projects to one-year deals or who are UFA in one year, hope they produce and then trade for draft picks at the deadline.

That's how you rebuild.

- grahamzky


Once Ottawa signs their RFAs they'll be over the cap floor so if we want to send them Perreault it'll cost us something, they're not taking him without being compensated for their trouble,
MP has no value.
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Oct 13 @ 2:45 PM ET
I hope that the Jets are able to emulate Tampa Bay's drafting record one day. Tampa Bay has so many guys drafted outside the first round that have turned into impact players: Point, Kucherov, Cirelli, Palat, Killorn to name a few. They have also done good at finding gems in undrafted free agents in: Johnson and Gourde. They have also doe well at maximizing asset value see both the Namestnikov and Miller trades. They have also shown fearlessness in making bold moves such as trading #4 overall pick in Drouin for Sergachev,

Looking at that list, none of it has anything do with tax advantages or stuff like that.

I think the biggest free agent signing the Jets could make is somehow stealing the director of scouting from Tampa Bay whenever his contract comes up!

- TheUltimateJet


Tampa has done a great job
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Oct 13 @ 2:46 PM ET
I was scanning some of the rosters last night to see who is still in cap trouble. Then I came across the Devils. Man, have they ever completely screwed up in just about every way. Their lineup is basically stud Nico Hischier, and that's it. Most other players will soon be UFA's . Subban is way overpaid at $9 MM. Just a complete trainwreck of a roster.
- jetsnation



Ty Smith is a great D coming up for them to, but overall I to would expect more
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Oct 13 @ 2:49 PM ET
They can win. I am not saying they can't. But you would be wrong to expect them to come out as cup favorites. Looking at Vegas/Colorado, do you think you are a better team? It is the GM's job to look at the roster and choose his risks. Do you want another 1st rd pick being traded at the deadline for a rental? Likely you would hope that Chevy doesn't do that again, and uses what he has. So do you call up young prospects and play them 9 minutes a night, or do you give them a season of top minutes duties in the minors, and retain their ELC? Anything is possible, the blues are proof of that. But unless Samberg and Ville are dominating in pre-season, I'd season them a year in the AHL. Again, not Niku. He has developed plenty in the AHL and now it is time to see how it translates with the Jets.

Safe to say the Jets weren't on Schmidts MNTC. What a bargain for a 3rd.

- bikeguy99



maybe its just me but i'm not all in on Vegas. Colorado, yes, 100% I like that team's makeup for tomorrow, next week and years to come!! Vegas not so much. I'm not sure how much Stastny and Schmidt for Pietro actually improves their team. they have an elite top line but the other 3 are not something that scares me. I really like Glass and Krebs and think that Vegas really needs them to step up sooner rather than later.
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Oct 13 @ 3:01 PM ET
maybe its just me but i'm not all in on Vegas. Colorado, yes, 100% I like that team's makeup for tomorrow, next week and years to come!! Vegas not so much. I'm not sure how much Stastny and Schmidt for Pietro actually improves their team. they have an elite top line but the other 3 are not something that scares me. I really like Glass and Krebs and think that Vegas really needs them to step up sooner rather than later.
- Ross77


Agreed. Also, signing Pieitro for close to $9 MM for seven seasons in a Covid-19 world is also somewhat risky. If the older folks won't get on an airplane then why would they go into a crowded arena? TV ratings across most sports is also down. Covid will eventually end, but its effects on crowds and close spaces may last years. If teams start to face revenue shortfalls, then these expensive contracts represent some degree of risk. In particular , Vegas is still a ghost town.
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 13 @ 3:06 PM ET
They can win. I am not saying they can't. But you would be wrong to expect them to come out as cup favorites. Looking at Vegas/Colorado, do you think you are a better team? It is the GM's job to look at the roster and choose his risks. Do you want another 1st rd pick being traded at the deadline for a rental? Likely you would hope that Chevy doesn't do that again, and uses what he has. So do you call up young prospects and play them 9 minutes a night, or do you give them a season of top minutes duties in the minors, and retain their ELC? Anything is possible, the blues are proof of that. But unless Samberg and Ville are dominating in pre-season, I'd season them a year in the AHL. Again, not Niku. He has developed plenty in the AHL and now it is time to see how it translates with the Jets.

Safe to say the Jets weren't on Schmidts MNTC. What a bargain for a 3rd.

- bikeguy99


Take coaching out as a factor and look at Vegas and Colorado rosters.
The Jets have better goaltending then both.
They also have a better top 6 then both
Bottom 6 is at best even
Defense is where the Jets are the weakest. But that's mostly because they don't have a true number 1 dman.

So yes the Jets are comparable to both Vegas/Colorado player wise. Now bring coaching into it and the Jets are the worst of the 3.
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 13 @ 3:18 PM ET
Agreed. Also, signing Pieitro for close to $9 MM for seven seasons in a Covid-19 world is also somewhat risky. If the older folks won't get on an airplane then why would they go into a crowded arena? TV ratings across most sports is also down. Covid will eventually end, but its effects on crowds and close spaces may last years. If teams start to face revenue shortfalls, then these expensive contracts represent some degree of risk. In particular , Vegas is still a ghost town.
- jetsnation


Vegas protected themselves for the next 2 years, he's earning only 5m per. Of course that makes his contract untradeable when he's earning 12.5m when he's 35.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Oct 13 @ 3:39 PM ET
Take coaching out as a factor and look at Vegas and Colorado rosters.
The Jets have better goaltending then both.
They also have a better top 6 then both
Bottom 6 is at best even
Defense is where the Jets are the weakest. But that's mostly because they don't have a true number 1 dman.

So yes the Jets are comparable to both Vegas/Colorado player wise. Now bring coaching into it and the Jets are the worst of the 3.

- BWJumper


Damn, I completely missed seeing the parades in Denver and Vegas !
BWJumper
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Oct 13 @ 4:09 PM ET
Damn, I completely missed seeing the parades in Denver and Vegas !
- bennythehat



Those were the teams that bikeguy mentioned. But if you want to apply it to whole western conference find a better forward group and goalie, I don't see it.

2.0
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Oct 13 @ 4:11 PM ET
maybe its just me but i'm not all in on Vegas. Colorado, yes, 100% I like that team's makeup for tomorrow, next week and years to come!! Vegas not so much. I'm not sure how much Stastny and Schmidt for Pietro actually improves their team. they have an elite top line but the other 3 are not something that scares me. I really like Glass and Krebs and think that Vegas really needs them to step up sooner rather than later.
- Ross77


totally agree - these are not the 'us against the world' underdogs that gelled so well a couple years ago. Each of those players has now been displaced by the same process that lead to them being exposed in the expansion draft -- they are nobodys again. Stone, Patches, Petro, Lehner, Deboer - all displace guys like Karlson, Marchesseault, Theodore, Fleury, Gallant. If they are not careful they will have a powder keg in their dressing room. One losing skid ignites the fuse.
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