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Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 15 @ 10:14 AM ET
Jan Levine: Potential performance bonuses driving cap and roster decisions in New York Oh and dead cap space as well....
gocanes0506
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: United States, NC
Joined: 02.12.2007

Oct 15 @ 10:25 AM ET
The bonuses are require to be tracked and managed. The NHL gives an allowed cushion, 7.5%, anything else you have to account for. If you had 6 million worth of potential bonuses then you could spend up to the ceiling.

The rule is to prevent teams from signing a ton of 35+ dudes to low cap, high performance bonus deals, giving them an advantage. It also helps keep some veterans in the league as teams have to limit the number of rookies (unless they want a penalty).

This little rule wasnt even a factor until this year. Quit complaining that is so unfair that the league gifted you the 1OA pick.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 15 @ 10:31 AM ET
The bonuses are require to be tracked and managed. The NHL gives an allowed cushion, 7.5%, anything else you have to account for. If you had 6 million worth of potential bonuses then you could spend up to the ceiling.

The rule is to prevent teams from signing a ton of 35+ dudes to low cap, high performance bonus deals, giving them an advantage. It also helps keep some veterans in the league as teams have to limit the number of rookies (unless they want a penalty).

This little rule wasnt even a factor until this year. Quit complaining that is so unfair that the league gifted you the 1OA pick
.

- gocanes0506



hey change your attitude or that weighted ball is coming back to the lottery next year too
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 10:31 AM ET
The bonuses are require to be tracked and managed. The NHL gives an allowed cushion, 7.5%, anything else you have to account for. If you had 6 million worth of potential bonuses then you could spend up to the ceiling.

The rule is to prevent teams from signing a ton of 35+ dudes to low cap, high performance bonus deals, giving them an advantage. It also helps keep some veterans in the league as teams have to limit the number of rookies (unless they want a penalty).

This little rule wasnt even a factor until this year. Quit complaining that is so unfair that the league gifted you the 1OA pick.

- gocanes0506


Did he go onto Shelley's blog and complain about it?
No, he wrote a blog to inform Rangers fans about the realities of our cap situation. If you don't want to contribute to a discussion, then bugger off loser.
And enjoy your sour grapes, pal. If anything, we were "gifted" the first overall pick by your Hurricanes, so thanks.
Buh-bye!!
Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 15 @ 10:38 AM ET
The bonuses are require to be tracked and managed. The NHL gives an allowed cushion, 7.5%, anything else you have to account for. If you had 6 million worth of potential bonuses then you could spend up to the ceiling.

The rule is to prevent teams from signing a ton of 35+ dudes to low cap, high performance bonus deals, giving them an advantage. It also helps keep some veterans in the league as teams have to limit the number of rookies (unless they want a penalty).

This little rule wasnt even a factor until this year. Quit complaining that is so unfair that the league gifted you the 1OA pick.

- gocanes0506

Thanks for your opinion. Please explain how New York was gifted the pick? If you had read me during the year, I said that those who were in the playoffs should have at best had the ninth pick, once those teams out of the playoffs had their lottery. Unless you are espousing a conspiracy theory about the ping pong ball itself.

If you want to have the bonuses for the over-35 count, that I would understand more. But how frequently have rookies met their bonuses clauses compared to those who haven't? Plus, should the team not draft talent to make a squad because of a bonus? In addition, those bonuses are standard parts of rookie contract, 35 and older players were awarded as incentives, different sides of the coin.
gskalt
Season Ticket Holder
New York Rangers
Location: Stamford, CT
Joined: 12.01.2005

Oct 15 @ 10:49 AM ET
As much as many of us would love to see guys like Barron and Kravtsov in the NHL, it may make sense to delay that a year to put out the beginning of their rookie deal and performance bonuses. seems like this coming year is the final year of dealing with a bad contract (every team will have buyouts to deal with) but this year is an anomaly with two big ones on the books. next season will provide more flexibility and will also have kids like Lafrieniere, Kakko, CHytl, Lindgren, Fox all mature another year. also, any jockeying teams need to do to protect themselves from expansion losses can be interesting.

then the rebuild thats now a build becomes structure for contention.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

Oct 15 @ 10:55 AM ET
As much as many of us would love to see guys like Barron and Kravtsov in the NHL, it may make sense to delay that a year to put out the beginning of their rookie deal and performance bonuses. seems like this coming year is the final year of dealing with a bad contract (every team will have buyouts to deal with) but this year is an anomaly with two big ones on the books. next season will provide more flexibility and will also have kids like Lafrieniere, Kakko, CHytl, Lindgren, Fox all mature another year. also, any jockeying teams need to do to protect themselves from expansion losses can be interesting.

then the rebuild thats now a build becomes structure for contention.

- gskalt


I think that's what's gonna happen, just get through this crazy season where who knows when it starts and ends, with 13 million in dead space

just make it about the development of Lafreniere and the continued development of Fox, Kakko and Shesty

mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:01 AM ET
I think that's what's gonna happen, just get through this crazy season where who knows when it starts and ends, with 13 million in dead space

just make it about the development of Lafreniere and the continued development of Fox, Kakko and Shesty

- jimbro83


and Lindgren and Tony
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:09 AM ET
and Lindgren and Tony
- mdw7413



Nobody cares.
climbdenali12
New York Rangers
Location: MSG sec 226 Row 17 Seats 23-24
Joined: 11.18.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:12 AM ET
Jan Levine: Potential performance bonuses driving cap and roster decisions in New York
Oh and dead cap space as well....

- airjan23


Catch 22 here I guess. If you want have young team you're gonna have to account for their growth. A middling team would provide for less Performance Bonus contracts but would be just a middling team. Like mentioned already, take this year for what it is worth in clearing 13M of dead cap space and just move on.


TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:14 AM ET
The bonuses are require to be tracked and managed. The NHL gives an allowed cushion, 7.5%, anything else you have to account for. If you had 6 million worth of potential bonuses then you could spend up to the ceiling.

The rule is to prevent teams from signing a ton of 35+ dudes to low cap, high performance bonus deals, giving them an advantage. It also helps keep some veterans in the league as teams have to limit the number of rookies (unless they want a penalty).

This little rule wasnt even a factor until this year. Quit complaining that is so unfair that the league gifted you the 1OA pick.

- gocanes0506



Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 11:17 AM ET
and Lindgren and Tony
- mdw7413


...and Chytil.

No free rides, Filiy-boy!!!
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:19 AM ET
...and Chytil.

No free rides, Filiy-boy!!!

- Tonybere


Despite JRR not caring, its pretty amazing how young a team we have
gocanes0506
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: United States, NC
Joined: 02.12.2007

Oct 15 @ 11:26 AM ET
Did he go onto Shelley's blog and complain about it?
No, he wrote a blog to inform Rangers fans about the realities of our cap situation. If you don't want to contribute to a discussion, then bugger off loser.
And enjoy your sour grapes, pal. If anything, we were "gifted" the first overall pick by your Hurricanes, so thanks.
Buh-bye!!

- Tonybere


he was complaining that performance bonuses are counted in a season's cap. He finds it weird which means, I dont think that is right, aka complaining.

learn to read, loser.
mrn22
New York Rangers
Location: CT
Joined: 05.22.2014

Oct 15 @ 11:27 AM ET
The bonuses are require to be tracked and managed. The NHL gives an allowed cushion, 7.5%, anything else you have to account for. If you had 6 million worth of potential bonuses then you could spend up to the ceiling.

The rule is to prevent teams from signing a ton of 35+ dudes to low cap, high performance bonus deals, giving them an advantage. It also helps keep some veterans in the league as teams have to limit the number of rookies (unless they want a penalty).

This little rule wasnt even a factor until this year. Quit complaining that is so unfair that the league gifted you the 1OA pick.

- gocanes0506


whiny c*nt
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 11:28 AM ET
Despite JRR not caring, its pretty amazing how young a team we have
- mdw7413


As bad as this sounds, I couldn't help but think of you last night as I watched From Dusk Til Dawn.
Well, mostly I was thinking about Salma...
JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:32 AM ET
As bad as this sounds, I couldn't help but think of you last night as I watched From Dusk Til Dawn.
Well, mostly I was thinking about Salma...

- Tonybere


JRR1285
New York Rangers
Location: Coach's decision, PEI
Joined: 02.21.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:33 AM ET
he was complaining that performance bonuses are counted in a season's cap. He finds it weird which means, I dont think that is right, aka complaining.

learn to read, loser.

- gocanes0506



Go (frank) yourself moron.
TommyGTrain
New York Rangers
Location: Part of NJ where its Taylor Ham not pork roll
Joined: 05.19.2017

Oct 15 @ 11:33 AM ET
This is not a normal situation. Out of a 23 man roster, Rangers may have as many as 12 players on ELCs! That doesn't happen often ( if ever ), so I wouldn't worry about it so much!
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 11:35 AM ET
he was complaining that performance bonuses are counted in a season's cap. He finds it weird which means, I dont think that is right, aka complaining.

learn to read, loser.

- gocanes0506


Well, we're close to the subject of comprehension (the ability to understand) so, what he finds weird was the specific fact that the entire bonus structure is counted toward the cap, not the actual amount of bonuses earned.
I personally found that to be an interesting fact that I was unaware of. So, maybe not so much complaining as informing? Difficult to have an open discussion in a blog. It's more of a one-sided opinion piece, wouldn't you agree? That is what the comment section is for. Of course, it takes away from the discussion when the first comment on the board is some bumhole female doging about something they want to push some sort of agenda for and ignoring the intentions of the blogger.

Have a nice day.
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

Oct 15 @ 11:36 AM ET
Go (frank) yourself moron.
- JRR1285

I support this
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

Oct 15 @ 11:36 AM ET

- JRR1285


Yeah, posted that knowing full well I was walking into this response...
TommyGTrain
New York Rangers
Location: Part of NJ where its Taylor Ham not pork roll
Joined: 05.19.2017

Oct 15 @ 11:37 AM ET
As bad as this sounds, I couldn't help but think of you last night as I watched From Dusk Til Dawn.
Well, mostly I was thinking about Salma...

- Tonybere


Tony-

If you are watching Salma in the snake scene and are thinking about mdw, you don't see a problem here?
mdw7413
New York Rangers
Location: I would rather see a dudes hairy balls than his hairy feet-Jimbro
Joined: 12.13.2013

Oct 15 @ 11:38 AM ET
As bad as this sounds, I couldn't help but think of you last night as I watched From Dusk Til Dawn.
Well, mostly I was thinking about Salma...

- Tonybere

Jan Levine
New York Rangers
Joined: 09.16.2005

Oct 15 @ 11:38 AM ET
As much as many of us would love to see guys like Barron and Kravtsov in the NHL, it may make sense to delay that a year to put out the beginning of their rookie deal and performance bonuses. seems like this coming year is the final year of dealing with a bad contract (every team will have buyouts to deal with) but this year is an anomaly with two big ones on the books. next season will provide more flexibility and will also have kids like Lafrieniere, Kakko, CHytl, Lindgren, Fox all mature another year. also, any jockeying teams need to do to protect themselves from expansion losses can be interesting.

then the rebuild thats now a build becomes structure for contention.

- gskalt

Barron, easier to accomplish since he is coming out of college. Kravtsov, after what happened last year, sending down to the AHL, if there is a season, or having him remain in the KHL might result in him determining not to join the team in the future. Not saying it's a definite but concern has to be in the back of their mind and accounted for in any decision making.
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