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Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 22 @ 10:03 AM ET
“Brown was scheduled to go before an arbitrator later today. One factor in both sides settling so close to the hearing was the new rule where no settlement could be reached after the hearing began per the MOU. Meaning they would have then had to wait for the arbitrator’s decision.”

https://twitter.com/capfr.../1319251098956423169?s=21

- Pegullaville


Sheesh. Why would they change that rule in a year like this? Welp Buffalo better take care of those 3 ASAP
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:12 AM ET
Sheesh. Why would they change that rule in a year like this? Welp Buffalo better take care of those 3 ASAP
- Stripes77


I’m honestly thinking they are using the arbitration date as a deadline then to basically squeeze a 2-3 year deal out of both Olofsson and Reinhart at a more favourable cap hit.

Or I’m just overestimating the intelligence of our front office
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Oct 22 @ 10:15 AM ET
I’m honestly thinking they are using the arbitration date as a deadline then to basically squeeze a 2-3 year deal out of both Olofsson and Reinhart at a more favourable cap hit.

Or I’m just overestimating the intelligence of our front office

- Pegullaville



Do you know what their asks are heading into arbitration?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 22 @ 10:17 AM ET
Sheesh. Why would they change that rule in a year like this? Welp Buffalo better take care of those 3 ASAP
- Stripes77


Ullmark 2 × 3.4 = 6.8
Olloffson 4 years × 4.25 = 17 million
Sam 1 x 5.75 = 5.75

34ER
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:17 AM ET
Do you know what their asks are heading into arbitration?
- Stripes77


No sir.

I believe they publicize that the day of or the day before the hearing
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Oct 22 @ 10:19 AM ET
Sheesh. Why would they change that rule in a year like this? Welp Buffalo better take care of those 3 ASAP
- Stripes77


Good question.

Why did the NHL eliminate the legal tampering period for UFAs this year?


¯\_(ツ)_/¯
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:22 AM ET
Not true. Teams and players can continue to negotiate until arbitration rules (3 days after hearing)
- Stripes77


This rule changed this year.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:23 AM ET
Ullmark 2 × 3.4 = 6.8
Olloffson 4 years × 4.25 = 17 million
Sam 1 x 5.75 = 5.75

34ER

- Boss34


Ullmark 2 years 3M per
Olofsson 2 years 3.25M per
Reinhart 3 years at $6.5M per

Those are my guesses.
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:24 AM ET
Ullmark 2 years 3M per
Olofsson 2 years 3.25M per
Reinhart 3 years at $6.5M per

Those are my guesses.

- Pegullaville


Ullmark 2.6 but I buy the other two. Maybe Olo 3.75
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:29 AM ET
Ullmark 2.6 but I buy the other two. Maybe Olo 3.75
- TheSabresTaco


$2.8M for two years. Let’s meet in the middle.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:34 AM ET
Ullmark 2.6 but I buy the other two. Maybe Olo 3.75
- TheSabresTaco


Can’t see Olofsson getting as much as Kubalik.

Also Mangiapane came in at $2.4M which is highway robbery for Calgary.

So I settled on $3.25M for Olofsson, as he will probably use the Kubalik contract as the main comparison
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 22 @ 10:50 AM ET
Ullmark 2 years 3M per
Olofsson 2 years 3.25M per
Reinhart 3 years at $6.5M per

Those are my guesses.

- Pegullaville



Same ballpark. I'm hoping they lock olloffson down for a long term deal.

3 at 6.5m for sam seems very respectable

Ullmark- not sold yet on him being the #1 nhl goalie.
*different from the 1rw discussion yesterday.

#1 playoff goalie ( ,good enough to make the playoffs)
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 22 @ 10:54 AM ET
Same ballpark. I'm hoping they lock olloffson down for a long term deal.

3 at 6.5m for sam seems very respectable

Ullmark- not sold yet on him being the #1 nhl goalie.
*different from the 1rw discussion yesterday.

#1 playoff goalie ( ,good enough to make the playoffs)

- Boss34

It sounds like what we've got is what we've got, at least to start the year.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 22 @ 10:55 AM ET
$2.8M for two years. Let’s meet in the middle.
- Pegullaville


I'm out, if your making side deals with taco. 😉

Good luck with taco, careful on negotiating the sam deal, Taco rides the sam hammer pretty strong. Suit and tie - no sweatpants
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 22 @ 11:00 AM ET
It sounds like what we've got is what we've got, at least to start the year.
- TheSabresTaco


I read the athletic article this morning.

If krueger looks at the hutton "middle season "stats,
He will be gone this afternoon.

I really can't see the Sabres going into 2021 with this tandem.

As a season ticket holder. Goaltending is the #1 reason we lost last season. Never a big save , beyond stats....
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 22 @ 11:02 AM ET
I'm out, if your making side deals with taco. 😉

Good luck with taco, careful on negotiating the sam deal, Taco rides the sam hammer pretty strong. Suit and tie - no sweatpants

- Boss34


My projection was 5.8 for 1 and 6.3 for 3
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 22 @ 11:12 AM ET
My projection was 5.8 for 1 and 6.3 for 3
- TheSabresTaco


I had sam at 1 for 5.75? Let's meet in the middle 🤝

What happened to 7+ million you've been suggesting for a while? Pandemic? Reality?

I think the Sabres walk if it goes to arbitration.

Imagine the Ka-boo-hoo-huning around here, when Sam's rendered expendable and thrown away.
Powerslave
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Arriving Somewhere But Not Here
Joined: 02.10.2011

Oct 22 @ 11:16 AM ET
https://www.nhl.com/sabre...er-cody-eakin/c-319497340
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 22 @ 11:22 AM ET
I had sam at 1 for 5.75? Let's meet in the middle 🤝

What happened to 7+ million you've been suggesting for a while? Pandemic? Reality?

I think the Sabres walk if it goes to arbitration.

Imagine the Ka-boo-hoo-huning around here, when Sam's rendered expendable and thrown away.

- Boss34


I don't recall suggesting he would receive 7 million. I could be wrong, and feel free to quote me, but I've always been around 6.5ish long term. Short term, I think that number goes down. I think you think I'm this massive Sam Reinhart fan. You'd be incorrect, but that's not to say I can't provide an unbiased opinion for his skill and impact on the ice, and that his impact on the ice and his linemates is probably worth in the range of 6M.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Oct 22 @ 11:24 AM ET
I had sam at 1 for 5.75? Let's meet in the middle 🤝

What happened to 7+ million you've been suggesting for a while? Pandemic? Reality?

I think the Sabres walk if it goes to arbitration.

Imagine the Ka-boo-hoo-huning around here, when Sam's rendered expendable and thrown away.

- Boss34

You think the Sabres will walk away from Sam?
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Oct 22 @ 11:28 AM ET
I'm trying to figure out if this should be a thing:

https://drafttop.com/
TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 22 @ 11:33 AM ET
You think the Sabres will walk away from Sam?
- sbroads24


You heard the man. Expendable. You need to make way for Hall-Eichel-Girgensons.
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Oct 22 @ 11:33 AM ET
I don't recall suggesting he would receive 7 million. I could be wrong, and feel free to quote me, but I've always been around 6.5ish long term. Short term, I think that number goes down. I think you think I'm this massive Sam Reinhart fan. You'd be incorrect, but that's not to say I can't provide an unbiased opinion for his skill and impact on the ice, and that his impact on the ice and his linemates is probably worth in the range of 6M.
- TheSabresTaco


You are a massive sam fan. We have been opposed for years.
Let me guess, Sam's not even in your top 20 favorite Sabres players of all time. 😉

And the rats flee the sinking sam ship , one by one.

S.S. samreinfart - 1 less passenger

TheSabresTaco
Buffalo Sabres
Location: For me. jack Eichel is bobby ryan….that's it. - Octavarium, NY
Joined: 05.05.2011

Oct 22 @ 11:36 AM ET
You are a massive sam fan. We have been opposed for years.
Let me guess, Sam's not even in your top 20 favorite Sabres players of all time. 😉

And the rats flee the sinking sam ship , one by one.

S.S. samreinfart - 1 less passenger

- Boss34


I need to know that you understand the difference between acknowledging skill and being a fan of a player.

Tom Brady is one of the best QBs of all time. I despise his existence.

Use that as an example.

I will defend Sam's skill because not doing so is not being honest, and being biased against him, as you have readily admitted. You don't have to like a guy, but saying he's not talented is simply being dishonest.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Oct 22 @ 11:37 AM ET
You are a massive sam fan. We have been opposed for years.
Let me guess, Sam's not even in your top 20 favorite Sabres players of all time. 😉

And the rats flee the sinking sam ship , one by one.

S.S. samreinfart - 1 less passenger

- Boss34


I prefer Pam Cryfart
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