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Why don’t we take a look at these other lovely charts? The first showing his lack of offensive impact, the second displaying his negative impact on offensive production, and the third showing his evident decline over the past few seasons.
- Rexypoo

Rexy you are friggin unbelievable!

Next thing you'll be saying is that Andrew Copp should be 1st line on the Jets, and that L. Broissoit should be the #1 goalie!

Rexy you are friggin unbelievable!

Next thing you'll be saying is that Andrew Copp should be 1st line on the Jets, and that L. Broissoit should be the #1 goalie!
- grahamzky

Actually I'm pretty sure he does think Copp should be on the Jets first line.

You took this chart from the same guy who wrote the article about how Jones isn’t good
- Rexypoo

Yes cause I knew you read it, he didn’t say was not good!! That’s a lie. He said Jones was not elite. Again, you seem to leave out key words.

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Why don’t we take a look at these other lovely charts? The first showing his lack of offensive impact, the second displaying his negative impact on offensive production, and the third showing his evident decline over the past few seasons.
- Rexypoo

It’s funny how you can not see you are proving my main point!!! You and I can both find charts that show two very different things. You can find a chart somewhere to show a player is good or bad, it’s not hard.

You asked to see charts showing he is good. I did that.

It’s funny how you can not see you are proving my main point!!! You and I can both find charts that show two very different things. You can find a chart somewhere to show a player is good or bad, it’s not hard.

You asked to see charts showing he is good. I did that.
- Ross77

The chart you provided showed the main strength of Jones’ game: transition.
I never said he had nothing to offer, simply that he’s dramatically overrated

Rexy you are friggin unbelievable!

Next thing you'll be saying is that Andrew Copp should be 1st line on the Jets, and that L. Broissoit should be the #1 goalie!
- grahamzky

Did... did you look at any of that?
Because this response makes me think you didn’t.
I’m talking about one player and bringing receipts. You’re just swinging at strawmen

Yes cause I knew you read it, he didn’t say was not good!! That’s a lie. He said Jones was not elite. Again, you seem to leave out key words.
- Ross77

He essentially said Jones is a solid #5 at this point in time.

But yes, I absolutely exaggerated my stance to instigate

Did... did you look at any of that?
Because this response makes me think you didn’t.
I’m talking about one player and bringing receipts. You’re just swinging at strawmen
- Rexypoo

You say you watch Blue Jackets games, but obviously don't or don't pay much attention.

Seth Jones drives the bus for the Jackets and would for the vast majority of NHL teams, including the Jets.

You can feed me all the garbage you can find, I know what my eyes tell me. But know there is no possibility of you ever believing Jones is a top-notch d-man. Why I am not sure!

But I'm not going to change your mind, and I won't change my mind either re Jones so not much use haggling about it anymore.

yes, I absolutely exaggerated my stance to instigate
- Rexypoo

Because this is what trolls do and you all got sucked into his game.

You say you watch Blue Jackets games, but obviously don't or don't pay much attention.

Seth Jones drives the bus for the Jackets and would for the vast majority of NHL teams, including the Jets.

You can feed me all the garbage you can find, I know what my eyes tell me. But know there is no possibility of you ever believing Jones is a top-notch d-man. Why I am not sure!

But I'm not going to change your mind, and I won't change my mind either re Jones so not much use haggling about it anymore.
- grahamzky

Nor will I change my mind.

Jones 100% drives the bus on Columbus. Werenski a close second. Jones's average ice time is over 25 minutes a game. Last season he set the all-time NHL record for ice time in a game. That's a lot of ice time given by Tort's ( a very good coach) for the "5th best Defenseman on the team"

This will be my only words on the subject because it's a ludicrous statement to waste more time on.

So as of right now the Jets D core is looking like this is what it's going to be and this is how I think the pairings will be:

Morrissey-DeMelo
Forbort-Pionk
Beaulieu-Poolman
#7/8 Sbisa-Niku
*Samberg goes to the Moose, Heinola stays in Finland (in my opinion that's what happens but we'll see, everything is really up in the air at this point)

If we were to rank D cores in the league from
1 to 31 where would the Jets roughly be?
A team like Carolina would be 1st or close to it with their stacked defense and a team with a weak group of defensemen like LA would be around the bottom of the list but where would the Jets end up, I'm thinking somewhere in the 20-28 range.

So as of right now the Jets D core is looking like this is what it's going to be and this is how I think the pairings will be:

Morrissey-DeMelo
Forbort-Pionk
Beaulieu-Poolman
#7/8 Sbisa-Niku
*Samberg goes to the Moose, Heinola stays in Finland (in my opinion that's what happens but we'll see, everything is really up in the air at this point)

If we were to rank D cores in the league from
1 to 31 where would the Jets roughly be?
A team like Carolina would be 1st or close to it with their stacked defense and a team with a weak group of defensemen like LA would be around the bottom of the list but where would the Jets end up, I'm thinking somewhere in the 20-28 range.
- JetFuel

Two years ago the islanders D unit would have been ranked near the bottom and last year the exact same D were near the top. Systems, coaching and all 5 players on the ice buying in can change things dramatically. I’d have more confidence with a new coach but my point is more to not put too much into the names.
Hopefully Samberg, Heinola and evening Niku get at least longer looks and consideration, same goes for our other D who just seem destined for the Moose.

Two years ago the islanders D unit would have been ranked near the bottom and last year the exact same D were near the top. Systems, coaching and all 5 players on the ice buying in can change things dramatically. I’d have more confidence with a new coach but my point is more to not put too much into the names.
Hopefully Samberg, Heinola and evening Niku get at least longer looks and consideration, same goes for our other D who just seem destined for the Moose.
- Ross77

Is evening Niku that much better then morning or even afternoon Niku?...

Sorry, I couldn't resist, me loves a perfectly placed typo or autocorrect... 😃😂

Two years ago the islanders D unit would have been ranked near the bottom and last year the exact same D were near the top. Systems, coaching and all 5 players on the ice buying in can change things dramatically. I’d have more confidence with a new coach but my point is more to not put too much into the names.
Hopefully Samberg, Heinola and evening Niku get at least longer looks and consideration, same goes for our other D who just seem destined for the Moose.
- Ross77

If Samberg would evolve into a LH d-man, say like David Savard (solid, reliable, steady, not flashy) of the Jackets, suddenly the Jets D would look a lot better - just missing that one stud RH d-man then.

But d-men, unless super-star material, usually take a little longer than forwards to develop, so one needs patience here with Samberg. Poolman, if he could avoid injury, could be a player who steps up to be counted this season. Niku?

Right now, yes, the Jets D probably rates in the 20-28 range in the league. But one surprise, and/or change, and that could improve dramatically.

Two years ago the islanders D unit would have been ranked near the bottom and last year the exact same D were near the top. Systems, coaching and all 5 players on the ice buying in can change things dramatically. I’d have more confidence with a new coach but my point is more to not put too much into the names.
Hopefully Samberg, Heinola and evening Niku get at least longer looks and consideration, same goes for our other D who just seem destined for the Moose.
- Ross77

I agree that the systems being run makes a big difference and overall 5 player buy in matters but this personnel worries me, still think it lacks at least one true top 4 dman which is why I really would of liked Chevy to have made the D.Toews trade or the Ryan Murray trade, I know he's injury prone but Murray's a legit top 4 dman and a 5th round pick is peanuts to pay for him.

Also I looked at the Islanders D core from the
17-18 and 18-19 seasons and both are much better then the Jets current group of dmen, idk where they would of ranked in the league in those seasons but I doubt near the bottom, probably somewhere in the middle I'm guessing.

I too hope the youngsters get a look, actually the guys that are Moose bound like Gawanke, Kovacevic, Green, Chisholm, etc. are more interesting to me then Heinola and Samberg, really hope with the weight/muscle Niku has put on that now he can hold his own in the D zone and push for a spot but my guess is they've already made their decision on him, imo once Maurice has his mind made up on what a guy is that's pretty much it for that player.

I think a team with an average D core can win but I worry that this D core just can't survive a long term Morrissey or Pionk injury the way it's presently constructed.

I agree that the systems being run makes a big difference and overall 5 player buy in matters but this personnel worries me, still think it lacks at least one true top 4 dman which is why I really would of liked Chevy to have made the D.Toews trade or the Ryan Murray trade, I know he's injury prone but Murray's a legit top 4 dman and a 5th round pick is peanuts to pay for him.

Also I looked at the Islanders D core from the
17-18 and 18-19 seasons and both are much better then the Jets current group of dmen, idk where they would of ranked in the league in those seasons but I doubt near the bottom, probably somewhere in the middle I'm guessing.

I too hope the youngsters get a look, actually the guys that are Moose bound like Gawanke, Kovacevic, Green, Chisholm, etc. are more interesting to me then Heinola and Samberg, really hope with the weight/muscle Niku has put on that now he can hold his own in the D zone and push for a spot but my guess is they've already made their decision on him, imo once Maurice has his mind made up on what a guy is that's pretty much it for that player.

I think a team with an average D core can win but I worry that this D core just can't survive a long term Morrissey or Pionk injury the way it's presently constructed.
- JetFuel

I agree with a lot of what you are saying but a few things.
Devon Toews hasn’t even played two full season and is already 26. Would I have liked him, sure but it’s very possible we are seeing him rated right now as highly as he ever will be. He got to play with some other very good D in New York and played with an excellent system. Now lucky for him he is going to Colorado where he will also get to play with some very good D In a decent system. If he were to come here and play with one of our lesser D all year under Maurice, I’m fairly certain the shine would come off very fast!!!
Ryan Murray is good but like you said, is Bogosian like In that he will never play a full year and is also a UFA in one year.

Everyone seems to be forgetting a couple things about our D. Demelo absolutely helped and we only had him for 13 games last year. In the playoffs Poolman was arguably the best D we had. Now that doesn’t say much considering how bad the D was but he is a solid 3rd pair guy!! No one knows for sure what we have in Heinola and Samberg but I am excited even if I do t get to see it fully till next year our D is improving. In two years our D ranking will be (subject to trades and free agency of course)

1- Heinola
2- morrisey
3- Demelo
4- Samberg
5- Pionk
6- Poolman

Then I’d say gawanke, Chisholm, Niku, Green, Stanley, lundmark and others all possibly in the mix

The Jets don’t splash.
Stastny back in the day was a brilliant move, because Vegas tried to f*ck us earlier in the day, and nobody expected St. Louis to be so friendly.
The Hayes move was one everyone and their dog could see coming, but disappointed because of Maurice being a fool, and Stone being right there for the taking.
DeMelo was a very smart pickup, but not huge news.

Everything else has been moving deck chairs around on a ship with a drunk captain. No splash.
- Rexypoo

I am never a fan of shoveling out a 1st for a rental that is guaranteed to walk. At that point, it's win the cup, or bust. Happy to have Statsny back since it's only costing the Jets a 4th. Dahlstrom is not a true NHL D, and the former prospect will likely fizzle out in the AHL unless he can improve his mobility a ton. Other then that, the Jets have been too limited to make any real splash. With little on the LTIR, the Jets should have roughly 4.5M space that would be nice to spend. They may be waiting to see how the season looks, as that 4.5M could be much larger if they are pro-rating this into a 48 game season. Only time will tell.

I'd like to see Vesalainen on the trading block. 21 years old and a former 1st rounder may entice some interest. Other then his draft position, the guy has not done anything to impress me. His skating is weak, and 0.5ppg in the AHL when given every offensive opportunity is very lackluster. I know he is still young, but other Moose teammates seem to keep outplaying this prospect on a regular basis. At least Niku is dominating the AHL. Vesa has not shown a pulse. He could be a great guy to move in exchange for a rental.

Because this is what trolls do and you all got sucked into his game.
- jetsnation

The return of Dano pretty much destroyed whatever credibility that Rexy may have ever had. Hence, I no longer feel a need to debate with him. I am now just a casual observer. I'm really looking forward to the World Junior's, and hopefully a start to the NHL season in the new year.
Everyone, stay safe !

The return of Dano pretty much destroyed whatever credibility that Rexy may have ever had. Hence, I no longer feel a need to debate with him. I am now just a casual observer. I'm really looking forward to the World Junior's, and hopefully a start to the NHL season in the new year.
Everyone, stay safe !
- bennythehat

With Covid cases recording record highs almost every day across North America - and political instability in the USA - I almost see zero chance of the NHL beginning Jan. 1.

Right now here in Manitoba code red is in effect until Dec. 11 I believe, which means basically "stay home" except for essential needs, which does not include recreational activities like hockey.

Once this code red is lifted, you would still have to get the players here, probably isolate for 14 days, and then have a training camp.

IMO the earliest we "might" see hockey is Jan 15, with Feb1 being more likely. And then again, the whole season might be wiped out in worst case scenario. Anyone know how that would affect the various contracts if the latter were to happen?

For example. M. Perreault presently still has one year left, would he still have a year left on his Jet contract?

You say you watch Blue Jackets games, but obviously don't or don't pay much attention.

Seth Jones drives the bus for the Jackets and would for the vast majority of NHL teams, including the Jets.

You can feed me all the garbage you can find, I know what my eyes tell me. But know there is no possibility of you ever believing Jones is a top-notch d-man. Why I am not sure!

But I'm not going to change your mind, and I won't change my mind either re Jones so not much use haggling about it anymore.
- grahamzky

I believed it in the past, back when it was true.
But I’ll take the actual on ice results over the eye test of a stranger watching television any day

So as of right now the Jets D core is looking like this is what it's going to be and this is how I think the pairings will be:

Morrissey-DeMelo
Forbort-Pionk
Beaulieu-Poolman
#7/8 Sbisa-Niku
*Samberg goes to the Moose, Heinola stays in Finland (in my opinion that's what happens but we'll see, everything is really up in the air at this point)

If we were to rank D cores in the league from
1 to 31 where would the Jets roughly be?
A team like Carolina would be 1st or close to it with their stacked defense and a team with a weak group of defensemen like LA would be around the bottom of the list but where would the Jets end up, I'm thinking somewhere in the 20-28 range.
- JetFuel

LA would actually be pretty high for me. Hovering around like 12-15. Doughty is really their only weak point.

Jets are very close to the bottom. Maybe only Detroit is worse

The return of Dano pretty much destroyed whatever credibility that Rexy may have ever had. Hence, I no longer feel a need to debate with him. I am now just a casual observer. I'm really looking forward to the World Junior's, and hopefully a start to the NHL season in the new year.
Everyone, stay safe !
- bennythehat

Code for: I have no way of debating, so here is my lucky out-clause

So as of right now the Jets D core is looking like this is what it's going to be and this is how I think the pairings will be:

Morrissey-DeMelo
Forbort-Pionk
Beaulieu-Poolman
#7/8 Sbisa-Niku
*Samberg goes to the Moose, Heinola stays in Finland (in my opinion that's what happens but we'll see, everything is really up in the air at this point)

If we were to rank D cores in the league from
1 to 31 where would the Jets roughly be?
A team like Carolina would be 1st or close to it with their stacked defense and a team with a weak group of defensemen like LA would be around the bottom of the list but where would the Jets end up, I'm thinking somewhere in the 20-28 range.
- JetFuel

I like Sbisa far more then Beaulieu, and probably more than Forbort (tho I have not seen much of Forbort to make a real assessment). Niku really needs to make the jump into being a full time NHL D. Hopefully he can get a fair chance with a decent partner.

As for where to the Jets D rank..... It's hard to say. I believe that each team only really needs one big $$, puck moving offensive D. Jets do not have that, but they do have some solid D. I'd prefer this to the porous San Jose D which has 2 high output RD's. I think the Pens/Sharks/Yotes/Panthers/Kings/Devs/Red Wings/ Blackhawks all have some issues at D that could make an argument for being below the Jets. Especially when you consider that the Jet's 7 man D-core costs only 16M this season. For what they are, they are a great deal.

With Covid cases recording record highs almost every day across North America - and political instability in the USA - I almost see zero chance of the NHL beginning Jan. 1.

Right now here in Manitoba code red is in effect until Dec. 11 I believe, which means basically "stay home" except for essential needs, which does not include recreational activities like hockey.

Once this code red is lifted, you would still have to get the players here, probably isolate for 14 days, and then have a training camp.

IMO the earliest we "might" see hockey is Jan 15, with Feb1 being more likely. And then again, the whole season might be wiped out in worst case scenario. Anyone know how that would affect the various contracts if the latter were to happen?

For example. M. Perreault presently still has one year left, would he still have a year left on his Jet contract?
- grahamzky

No contracts can be deferred except entry level deals. There is insurance for this reason, and the contract with Perreault ends after this year regardless. Insurance may have to cover some of his income, but it would never carry over into another season.

The return of Dano pretty much destroyed whatever credibility that Rexy may have ever had. Hence, I no longer feel a need to debate with him. I am now just a casual observer. I'm really looking forward to the World Junior's, and hopefully a start to the NHL season in the new year.
Everyone, stay safe !
- bennythehat

How would Dano's return destroy Rexy's credibility?