Michael Stuart: Jarventie Generating Early Returns in Finland

Nice little surprise, considering there isn't much to follow right now.

Can watch a lot of the Sens players over in Europe right now.

Michael Stuart: Jarventie Generating Early Returns in Finland
- Michael_Stuart

Let’s face it, the Senators scouting staff has been excellent. They drive through blizzards, storms etc to watch prospects games, fans don’t! I have been around long enough to know the official draft eligible rankings mean nothing after the first 15 picks. According to eye witness reports in this years draft the Sens had Stutzle at 2 and Sanderson at 4, if this is true what a home run!

What is interesting was the Senators 28th first round pick, Ridly Greig. The Sens had him ranked around 20th. They couldn’t move up to grab him so had to hope for the best. The scouts were pacing the room praying he wouldn’t be picked by another team. When they picked him at 28 the scouts were ecstatic. This is the player I want to follow to see if the scouts got it right!
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What is interesting was the Senators 28th first round pick, Ridly Greig. The Sens had him ranked around 20th. They couldn’t move up to grab him so had to hope for the best. The scouts were pacing the room praying he wouldn’t be picked by another team. When they picked him at 28 the scouts were ecstatic. This is the player I want to follow to see if the scouts got it right!
- Barrykerr1

I don't mind the Ridley Greig pick at #28, but that line about them not being able to move up is a crock of $hit. The Rangers were able to trade up to #19, the Capitals were able to trade up to #22, and in both cases it only cost a 3rd round pick. Plus, the Devils and Blue Jackets both went off the board with their picks at #20 and #21 (i.e. there's a good chance those picks could have been had for the right price)... to say nothing of what might have been possible with COL, STL, or ANA at #25, #26, and #27.

Factor in that they were sitting on four 2nd round picks and a pair of 3rd round picks, and there was no shortage of opportunity for them to move up. This is the same team that moved up 1 pick to get Brown, and in both of the last 2 years have moved up in the 2nd round to grab players that many feel would have been available with their original picks (Sogaard, Kleven). So if they were really that hot for Greig, they took a hell of a chance on losing out on him.

Let’s face it, the Senators scouting staff has been excellent. They drive through blizzards, storms etc to watch prospects games, fans don’t! I have been around long enough to know the official draft eligible rankings mean nothing after the first 15 picks. According to eye witness reports in this years draft the Sens had Stutzle at 2 and Sanderson at 4, if this is true what a home run!

What is interesting was the Senators 28th first round pick, Ridly Greig. The Sens had him ranked around 20th. They couldn’t move up to grab him so had to hope for the best. The scouts were pacing the room praying he wouldn’t be picked by another team. When they picked him at 28 the scouts were ecstatic. This is the player I want to follow to see if the scouts got it right!
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- Barrykerr1

I enjoyed your comments. And, believe the Ridley Greig story.

Look at the Sens final draft selection list. What do all the players have in common? They have good size, they pose an on-ice physical presence.

Greig stands out as the exception. He is undersized by Sens selection standards. But, he does play an in your face, highly physical game.

Greig may be the exception that proves the rule. His game plays bigger than his physical footprint and that is often the measure of hockey players' heart.

Ottawa certainly shouldn't draft a LW again, lol:

Brady Tkachuk, Tim Stuetzle (initially at least), Roby Jarventie, Egor Sokolov, Alex Formenton, Alex Galchenyuk (at least atm with Norris, L.Brown, White)

Let’s face it, the Senators scouting staff has been excellent. They drive through blizzards, storms etc to watch prospects games, fans don’t! I have been around long enough to know the official draft eligible rankings mean nothing after the first 15 picks. According to eye witness reports in this years draft the Sens had Stutzle at 2 and Sanderson at 4, if this is true what a home run!

What is interesting was the Senators 28th first round pick, Ridly Greig. The Sens had him ranked around 20th. They couldn’t move up to grab him so had to hope for the best. The scouts were pacing the room praying he wouldn’t be picked by another team. When they picked him at 28 the scouts were ecstatic. This is the player I want to follow to see if the scouts got it right!
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- Barrykerr1

BS on your "insider knowledge". There were several trades in the bottom half of the first round and several teams went off the board, so those picks could have been had if the Sens were inquiring.

I don't mind the Ridley Greig pick at #28, but that line about them not being able to move up is a crock of $hit. The Rangers were able to trade up to #19, the Capitals were able to trade up to #22, and in both cases it only cost a 3rd round pick. Plus, the Devils and Blue Jackets both went off the board with their picks at #20 and #21 (i.e. there's a good chance those picks could have been had for the right price)... to say nothing of what might have been possible with COL, STL, or ANA at #25, #26, and #27.

Factor in that they were sitting on four 2nd round picks and a pair of 3rd round picks, and there was no shortage of opportunity for them to move up. This is the same team that moved up 1 pick to get Brown, and in both of the last 2 years have moved up in the 2nd round to grab players that many feel would have been available with their original picks (Sogaard, Kleven). So if they were really that hot for Greig, they took a hell of a chance on losing out on him.
- khawk

Better said than my post.

One wonders if Jarvente is benefitting from playing with Sabres prospect Routsalainen who is leading the Liiga in points and goals. Routsalainen went undrafted and looks like he will have a decent chance of cracking the Sabres line-up this season. So let's see how Jarvente fares when Routsalainen heads to the USA.

What is interesting was the Senators 28th first round pick, Ridly Greig.
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- Barrykerr1

Random comment, Greig just tested positive for Covid before the Team Canada junior camp (per TSN).

Random comment, Greig just tested positive for Covid before the Team Canada junior camp (per TSN).
- sensfan1984

Also North Dakota is experiencing very high covid #s. Rumblings around the academic system is to shut down sports programs .

Also North Dakota is experiencing very high covid #s. Rumblings around the academic system is to shut down sports programs .
- spazzbot

That's worrisome. The impact this has on player development will be intersting to see league wide.

Let’s face it, the Senators scouting staff has been excellent. They drive through blizzards, storms etc to watch prospects games, fans don’t! I have been around long enough to know the official draft eligible rankings mean nothing after the first 15 picks. According to eye witness reports in this years draft the Sens had Stutzle at 2 and Sanderson at 4, if this is true what a home run!

What is interesting was the Senators 28th first round pick, Ridly Greig. The Sens had him ranked around 20th. They couldn’t move up to grab him so had to hope for the best. The scouts were pacing the room praying he wouldn’t be picked by another team. When they picked him at 28 the scouts were ecstatic. This is the player I want to follow to see if the scouts got it right!
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- Barrykerr1

The Sens did well this year at the draft. And i do enjoy the " if this is true" picture painted.
I have driven through snowstorms,waited in -20 lineups and pay through the teeth to watch Sens hockey.

Great!! Lassi Thomson on the other hand is an absolute trainwreck this season. Worrisome, very worrisome

BS on your "insider knowledge". There were several trades in the bottom half of the first round and several teams went off the board, so those picks could have been had if the Sens were inquiring.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

If you are referring to my inside information being Stutzle was ranked 2 and Sanderson ranked 4 by the Sens. I read about this in 2 different articles on Oct 7.

Or if it is about Ridly Greig, google Bruce Garrioch’s Oct 7 article in the Ottawa Sun.The scout who was pacing the floor was George Farager who is based in western Canada

If you are referring to my inside information being Stutzle was ranked 2 and Sanderson ranked 4 by the Sens. I read about this in 2 different articles on Oct 7.

Or if it is about Ridly Greig, google Bruce Garrioch’s Oct 7 article in the Ottawa Sun.The scout who was pacing the floor was George Farager who is based in western Canada
- Barrykerr1

Apologies if your post was based on a printed article.

I'm referring to Greig. Even if there was an article, I don't see much evidence supporting "they couldn't move up in the draft". In the second half of the first round, several teams did just that plus a couple of the teams went way off the board with those picks. It's reasonable to assume those picks could have been had via trade upon reasonable inquiry.

I don't doubt a scout wanted Greig, but the dramatics of it seem off to me. Just an opinion based on what happened.

Great!! Lassi Thomson on the other hand is an absolute trainwreck this season. Worrisome, very worrisome
- DutchSenators

ya he doesn't seem to be producing offensively which is a warning sign.

hopefully he finds his legs if and when belleville gets going.

Great!! Lassi Thomson on the other hand is an absolute trainwreck this season. Worrisome, very worrisome
- DutchSenators

People need to settle down a bit... Ilves added Juuso Valimaki to the roster this year, and he's absorbed the primary offensive-D role (15Pts/15GP). Plus, Thomson would essentially be on his scoring pace from last year with just 2 more points in 14GP. He's barely 20yo, and playing a full time role in the SM-LIIGA... micro-analyzing his statistics with minimal context and literally zero visibility to the actual quality of his play is not overly useful.

People need to settle down a bit... Ilves added Juuso Valimaki to the roster this year, and he's absorbed the primary offensive-D role (15Pts/15GP). Plus, Thomson would essentially be on his scoring pace from last year with just 2 more points in 14GP. He's barely 20yo, and playing a full time role in the SM-LIIGA... micro-analyzing his statistics with minimal context and literally zero visibility to the actual quality of his play is not overly useful.
- khawk

I always thought Thompson was more of a 2-way d-man than an offensive d-man who didn't have a particularly high celling in any one area. He will only crack this roster if he is sound defensively. I'd be less concerned with the offensiveness at this point in time.

I always thought Thompson was more of a 2-way d-man than an offensive d-man who didn't have a particularly high celling in any one area. He will only crack this roster if he is sound defensively. I'd be less concerned with the offensiveness at this point in time.
- Gord_Wilson_2.0

Skating and transition support are strengths, from most of the accounts I've read and highlights I've seen - plus he has a pretty heavy shot, which should lead to some 2nd-unit PP time. But you're right, it's his defensive/two-way game that will define how significant a role he can take on in the NHL. It's not unlike Brannstrom last year, where he wasn't really producing, but was being actively coached to focus on the development of other aspects of his game.

Very possibly a draft steal... but, let's not get ahead of ourselves. Let's enjoy his Liiga success, and hope he can produce in the NHL as well.

Ottawa certainly shouldn't draft a LW again, lol:

Brady Tkachuk, Tim Stuetzle (initially at least), Roby Jarventie, Egor Sokolov, Alex Formenton, Alex Galchenyuk (at least atm with Norris, L.Brown, White)
- AlfieisKing

100%. And also consider handedness: I'm not sold on Sokolov just yet, as overagers are always a crap shoot. So C. Brown, White, Batherson, and I guess Pinto are the only right-shot forwards that show much promise in the entire system. That's a bit worrisome to me.

I was scratching my head a bit during the draft watching Mann annonce left-shot left-winger after left-shot left-winger. After nabbing Sandrson at 5, it seemed Dorion et al were seeking balance in the draft. But after Sanderson, it just felt like they were drafting the same player over and over. And this was after bringing in J. Brown and Gudbransson who are the exact same player in my eyes. And also Shaw and Watson, who are very similar, as well.