Not all shots from point blank and from other dangerous scoring areas are equal. The Jets defenders were able to compliment Helly's strong positional game and let him shine.
- 2.0

You have to be trolling. There’s no way you believe that. I have yet to see anyone try to make that point.
Even jetsnation usually goes with the “it’s bad, but Maurice is getting everything he can out of these guys” approach.

You we’re really out there watching Jets game last season, with the direct comparison to the 17-18 team, and thinking those thoughts?
Watching guys like Gabriel Bourque, Anthony Bitteto, and Luca Sbisa tripping over themselves in front of Hellebuyck and thinking “Yeah, this is good for him. We’re really getting the most out of him like this. He’s probably loving it”

Jesus Christ.

Is Vesalainen even a top 5 player for the Moose? His numbers are not flattering at all, and I hate to use the term bust, but he is looking like one. Raslovic was over 1ppg in the AHL, and Vesa is under 0.5ppg. Ras was 0.5ppg in the NHL with some weak linemates, and Vesa can't even crack the roster. I don't see the point in comparing these two, other than they were 1st rounders.
- bikeguy99

Vesalainen and Gus really kicked off late last season when they were given offensive roles. I have a hard time trusting the Moose’ coaching nowadays given that they scratched their best defenceman on more than one occasion

It's absolutely B.
Neither are better than any of our top 6 forwards. Roslovic may be our 8th best forward. Jury is still out on Vesalainen, but he isn't likely in our top 8-10.
For the record:
1-6 : Scheifele, Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Wheeler, Stastny (not necc in that order)
7 - Copp
8 - Roslovic if signed
9 - Lowry
10 - Appleton
(Not even counting Perreault, Thompson as they are one year players for us)
- bennythehat

A pretty accurate ranking. I also see Harkins and Gustaffson possibly moving up the ladder this year. Lowry adds brawn that the Jets do need since Buff departed so he gets a slight boost for that ( being on a checking line) . I take B . The top six is very tough to crack right now. Perfetti is a year away at a minimum. Vesalainen could suprise ....we shall see.

I wish. Doubtful tho. Given the market, Morrissey and his 6.25M AAV caphit would not likely be embraced by most teams. I am a fan of the guy, and liked the contract as I was expecting the cap to rise up, but he probably wouldn't fetch more than a 3rd rd pick on his own right now. Jets would also need to find some RW's right away if they dropped Laine and Ras both.

I'd be thrilled if this could happen tho!
- bikeguy99

Really , because if there were no cap , I would fall over myself to trade another five 3rd round picks for a defense full of Josh Morrissey. Heck, I'd trade five-2nd- rounders. He's worth $6 MM all day long.

Really , because if there were no cap , I would fall over myself to trade another five 3rd round picks for a defense full of Josh Morrissey. Heck, I'd trade five-2nd- rounders. He's worth $6 MM all day long.
- jetsnation

Probably. But he wasn’t worth it last year, which is what we’re basing this off

You have to be trolling. There’s no way you believe that. I have yet to see anyone try to make that point.
Even jetsnation usually goes with the “it’s bad, but Maurice is getting everything he can out of these guys” approach.

You we’re really out there watching Jets game last season, with the direct comparison to the 17-18 team, and thinking those thoughts?
Watching guys like Gabriel Bourque, Anthony Bitteto, and Luca Sbisa tripping over themselves in front of Hellebuyck and thinking “Yeah, this is good for him. We’re really getting the most out of him like this. He’s probably loving it”

Jesus Christ.
- Rexypoo

hold on now, you are reaching. I didn't say the defense was solid, or even desirable just that they did enough to take the edge of the opportunities they were giving up. Passes through were less clean, shots were contested.

I absolutely believe that not all shots from the slot or other scoring areas are equal. Velocity, accuracy of shooter, time to settle and shoot, quality of the pass all impact the quality of the opportunity.

Are you saying you think that just because a shot comes from the slot that it is automatically a high scoring chance? delusional.

hold on now, you are reaching. I didn't say the defense was solid, or even desirable just that they did enough to take the edge of the opportunities they were giving up. Passes through were less clean, shots were contested.

I absolutely believe that not all shots from the slot or other scoring areas are equal. Velocity, accuracy of shooter, time to settle and shoot, quality of the pass all impact the quality of the opportunity.

Are you saying you think that just because a shot comes from the slot that it is automatically a high scoring chance? delusional.
- 2.0

I believe last season the Jets never lost a game when leading after two periods despite being outshot in the third period. Generally speaking, the Jets do in fact get outshot most games largely because of the large quantity of low-scoring chances Maurice's system gives up when in the Jet's end. They also generally outscored their opposition in the second period .

My theory as to part of the reason they do better in the back half of most games is the system itself. Keeping the puck to the outside makes the other teamwork a lot harder constantly cycling the puck. The inner Jets defensive shell obviously requires less movement and therefore it would leave the team somewhat fresher as the game progresses into the later stages of each period and the game as a whole. Also, banging guys on the outside into the boards saps them of energy. Ask anyone who plays hockey about that.

So there are merits to the Maurice system. It wasn't as easy to execute last season being the most injured team in the league by salary. Including Buff and Little the Jets lost 18.3 MM in salary man-games last year , especially on D. Thats almost 25% of the full team market cap. Yet they somehow still made the playoffs !

The Jets had a LOT of one-goal games last year. In my opinion what the Jets really lacked last year was scoring from the back-end. The losses of Buff, Myers, and Trouba really contributed to that. I believe that was the key difference in quite a few games. Chevy had two jobs in the off-season...get a center for Laine, and try to improve the offense from the back-end. Stastny should hopefully plug the one hole but I'm not sure we have the real offensive guy we need yet on D. Heinola will surely be that guy in another year, maybe sooner. Hopefully, others can step up until that time.

That my take.

I believe last season the Jets never lost a game when leading after two periods despite being outshot in the third period. Generally speaking, the Jets do in fact get outshot most games largely because of the large quantity of low-scoring chances Maurice's system gives up when in the Jet's end. They also generally outscored their opposition in the second period .

My theory as to part of the reason they do better in the back half of most games is the system itself. Keeping the puck to the outside makes the other teamwork a lot harder constantly cycling the puck. The inner Jets defensive shell obviously requires less movement and therefore it would leave the team somewhat fresher as the game progresses into the later stages of each period and the game as a whole. Also, banging guys on the outside into the boards saps them of energy. Ask anyone who plays hockey about that.

So there are merits to the Maurice system. It wasn't as easy to execute last season being the most injured team in the league by salary. Including Buff and Little the Jets lost 18.3 MM in salary man-games last year , especially on D. Thats almost 25% of the full team market cap. Yet they somehow still made the playoffs !

The Jets had a LOT of one-goal games last year. In my opinion what the Jets really lacked last year was scoring from the back-end. The losses of Buff, Myers, and Trouba really contributed to that. I believe that was the key difference in quite a few games. Chevy had two jobs in the off-season...get a center for Laine, and try to improve the offense from the back-end. Stastny should hopefully plug the one hole but I'm not sure we have the real offensive guy we need yet on D. Heinola will surely be that guy in another year, maybe sooner. Hopefully, others can step up until that time.

That my take.
- jetsnation

In my opinion, both you and 2.0 should really be working for the Jets as PR representatives. It’s a shame you guys are doing the organizations work for free!

hold on now, you are reaching. I didn't say the defense was solid, or even desirable just that they did enough to take the edge of the opportunities they were giving up. Passes through were less clean, shots were contested.

I absolutely believe that not all shots from the slot or other scoring areas are equal. Velocity, accuracy of shooter, time to settle and shoot, quality of the pass all impact the quality of the opportunity.

Are you saying you think that just because a shot comes from the slot that it is automatically a high scoring chance? delusional.
- 2.0

I agree with you on this, the Jets defense while not great last season held its own and it's so true that not all shots from the so called "high danger area" are necessarily high danger shots, if a Dman boxes out a guy in the high danger area and the shot he gets off is weak and is a simple save for the goalie then it simply wasn't a high danger chance.

It's funny to me that a 100 mph point shot through a bunch of bodies isn't considered a high danger scoring chance but a very weak shot that has zero chance of going in is considered one if it's taken from the high danger scoring area/zone, it's such nonsense.

I believe last season the Jets never lost a game when leading after two periods despite being outshot in the third period. Generally speaking, the Jets do in fact get outshot most games largely because of the large quantity of low-scoring chances Maurice's system gives up when in the Jet's end. They also generally outscored their opposition in the second period .

My theory as to part of the reason they do better in the back half of most games is the system itself. Keeping the puck to the outside makes the other teamwork a lot harder constantly cycling the puck. The inner Jets defensive shell obviously requires less movement and therefore it would leave the team somewhat fresher as the game progresses into the later stages of each period and the game as a whole. Also, banging guys on the outside into the boards saps them of energy. Ask anyone who plays hockey about that.

So there are merits to the Maurice system. It wasn't as easy to execute last season being the most injured team in the league by salary. Including Buff and Little the Jets lost 18.3 MM in salary man-games last year , especially on D. Thats almost 25% of the full team market cap. Yet they somehow still made the playoffs !

The Jets had a LOT of one-goal games last year. In my opinion what the Jets really lacked last year was scoring from the back-end. The losses of Buff, Myers, and Trouba really contributed to that. I believe that was the key difference in quite a few games. Chevy had two jobs in the off-season...get a center for Laine, and try to improve the offense from the back-end. Stastny should hopefully plug the one hole but I'm not sure we have the real offensive guy we need yet on D. Heinola will surely be that guy in another year, maybe sooner. Hopefully, others can step up until that time.

That my take.
- jetsnation

Chevy didn't need to get more offense from the defense this off-season, he needed to overhaul the bottom 6 so it wasn't an offensive black hole, he failed to do that.

Chevy didn't need to get more offense from the defense this off-season, he needed to overhaul the bottom 6 so it wasn't an offensive black hole, he failed to do that.
- JetFuel

Not only that, but the highest goal scorer from the bottom 6 is currently sitting at home.

I believe last season the Jets never lost a game when leading after two periods despite being outshot in the third period. Generally speaking, the Jets do in fact get outshot most games largely because of the large quantity of low-scoring chances Maurice's system gives up when in the Jet's end. They also generally outscored their opposition in the second period .

My theory as to part of the reason they do better in the back half of most games is the system itself. Keeping the puck to the outside makes the other teamwork a lot harder constantly cycling the puck. The inner Jets defensive shell obviously requires less movement and therefore it would leave the team somewhat fresher as the game progresses into the later stages of each period and the game as a whole. Also, banging guys on the outside into the boards saps them of energy. Ask anyone who plays hockey about that.

So there are merits to the Maurice system. It wasn't as easy to execute last season being the most injured team in the league by salary. Including Buff and Little the Jets lost 18.3 MM in salary man-games last year , especially on D. Thats almost 25% of the full team market cap. Yet they somehow still made the playoffs !

The Jets had a LOT of one-goal games last year. In my opinion what the Jets really lacked last year was scoring from the back-end. The losses of Buff, Myers, and Trouba really contributed to that. I believe that was the key difference in quite a few games. Chevy had two jobs in the off-season...get a center for Laine, and try to improve the offense from the back-end. Stastny should hopefully plug the one hole but I'm not sure we have the real offensive guy we need yet on D. Heinola will surely be that guy in another year, maybe sooner. Hopefully, others can step up until that time.

That my take.
- jetsnation

You seriously just have to go to naturalstattrick and click on the heat maps for any Jets game last year to see how wrong you about where the other teams were taking their shots

I believe last season the Jets never lost a game when leading after two periods despite being outshot in the third period. Generally speaking, the Jets do in fact get outshot most games largely because of the large quantity of low-scoring chances Maurice's system gives up when in the Jet's end. They also generally outscored their opposition in the second period .

My theory as to part of the reason they do better in the back half of most games is the system itself. Keeping the puck to the outside makes the other teamwork a lot harder constantly cycling the puck. The inner Jets defensive shell obviously requires less movement and therefore it would leave the team somewhat fresher as the game progresses into the later stages of each period and the game as a whole. Also, banging guys on the outside into the boards saps them of energy. Ask anyone who plays hockey about that.

So there are merits to the Maurice system. It wasn't as easy to execute last season being the most injured team in the league by salary. Including Buff and Little the Jets lost 18.3 MM in salary man-games last year , especially on D. Thats almost 25% of the full team market cap. Yet they somehow still made the playoffs !

The Jets had a LOT of one-goal games last year. In my opinion what the Jets really lacked last year was scoring from the back-end. The losses of Buff, Myers, and Trouba really contributed to that. I believe that was the key difference in quite a few games. Chevy had two jobs in the off-season...get a center for Laine, and try to improve the offense from the back-end. Stastny should hopefully plug the one hole but I'm not sure we have the real offensive guy we need yet on D. Heinola will surely be that guy in another year, maybe sooner. Hopefully, others can step up until that time.

That my take.
- jetsnation

Connor Hellebuyck.

That my take.

You seriously just have to go to naturalstattrick and click on the heat maps for any Jets game last year to see how wrong you about where the other teams were taking their shots
- BWJumper

It’s hilarious. My favourite part of the “oh, but they’re weak shots in front of the net at point blank range so it’s fine” argument is that it’s a fabrication from this week that started because of one comment from a True North employee

In my opinion, both you and 2.0 should really be working for the Jets as PR representatives. It’s a shame you guys are doing the organizations work for free!
- TheUltimateJet

How much would Jets pay them to try to influence the 12 readers of this blog ?

Apparently Ville Heinola is moving in with Patrik Laine once his quarantine ends.

To be a fly on that wall... just an unbelievable amount of sh*t talk about the Jets coaching

How much would Jets pay them to try to influence the 12 readers of this blog ?


- bennythehat

So true! I would hope they get paid minimum wage at least

Apparently Ville Heinola is moving in with Patrik Laine once his quarantine ends.

To be a fly on that wall... just an unbelievable amount of sh*t talk about the Jets coaching
- Rexypoo

Well, that should sharpen Ville's video game skills....

Well, that should sharpen Ville's video game skills....
- bennythehat

Heinola has the type of mind that would let him dominate in Warzone having never seen a television before

Just listening to the local media who are at training camp and what Maurice has been saying it sounds like it's going to take an injury somewhere to get both Appleton and Harkins in the lineup, really seems like Lewis is getting signed and he'll be on the 4th line RW with Thompson so unless there's an injury somewhere or Perreault is a healthy scratch I'm gonna guess the bottom two lines are going to be Copp-Lowry-Appleton as the 3rd line and Perreault-Thompson-Lewis as the 4th line.

Just listening to the local media who are at training camp and what Maurice has been saying it sounds like it's going to take an injury somewhere to get both Appleton and Harkins in the lineup, really seems like Lewis is getting signed and he'll be on the 4th line RW with Thompson so unless there's an injury somewhere or Perreault is a healthy scratch I'm gonna guess the bottom two lines are going to be Copp-Lowry-Appleton as the 3rd line and Perreault-Thompson-Lewis as the 4th line.
- JetFuel

Imagine thinking for even a second that Maurice wasn’t going to scratch a talented young player for an aging less talented one

Petan on waivers.......screwed again !

Petan on waivers.......screwed again !
- bennythehat

Any Jets? Or any surprises? Where do you find the list - have been looking?

Any Jets? Or any surprises? Where do you find the list - have been looking?
- grahamzky

https://www.tsn.ca/ice-ch...aced-on-waivers-1.1574352

https://www.tsn.ca/ice-chips-25-players-placed-on-waivers-1.1574352
- bennythehat

Didn't realize that was complete list. Thx!