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Anthony Travalgia
Joined: 11.13.2020

Jan 7 @ 9:50 PM ET
Anthony Travalgia: Connor Hellebuyck hopes Stanley Cup is what comes next Coming off of his first Vezina trophy, Connor Hellebuyck hopes that a Stanley Cup is next
poopstash
Los Angeles Kings
Joined: 03.21.2015

Jan 7 @ 10:39 PM ET
Hope in one hand...
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 9 @ 9:24 PM ET
I am surprised that Chevy did not claim Petan off waivers. It would have fit in nicely with his narrative of bringing guys back that he had previously let go.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 9 @ 9:27 PM ET
Another interesting note that I am sure many Jets fans already know, but was news to me is that Pierre Luc Dubois’s dad, Eric Dubois is a coach on the Manitoba Moose.
Jetter
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 02.21.2019

Jan 10 @ 10:21 AM ET
Another interesting note that I am sure many Jets fans already know, but was news to me is that Pierre Luc Dubois’s dad, Eric Dubois is a coach on the Manitoba Moose.
- TheUltimateJet


As I have said before Laine will be traded at some point over the next year.

What about

To Columbus: Laine, Roslovic, Niku
To Winnipeg: PLD, Werenski.

All still RFAs after current contracts are up. Columbus gets defensemen and Center in return along with top goal scorer in the league.
Winnipeg gets it 2nd live center (which also has ties in the organization) and top pair defenseman.
As for expansion draft, Winnipeg can still protect PLD and would have to expose Pionk (who would be a UFA (I believe)

Thoughts
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 10 @ 10:48 AM ET
As I have said before Laine will be traded at some point over the next year.

What about

To Columbus: Laine, Roslovic, Niku
To Winnipeg: PLD, Werenski.

All still RFAs after current contracts are up. Columbus gets defensemen and Center in return along with top goal scorer in the league.
Winnipeg gets it 2nd live center (which also has ties in the organization) and top pair defenseman.
As for expansion draft, Winnipeg can still protect PLD and would have to expose Pionk (who would be a UFA (I believe)

Thoughts

- Jetter


Sorry there is just no way Columbus ever does that deal.

Niku has zero value, like none, it’s possible someone picks him up on waivers when he’s free but no ones giving anything up for him. I always laugh when people use defenceman of the year in the AHL bit, but I bet those same people couldn’t name another single person who’s won that without looking it up.

Similarly for Roslovic, yes teams have been asking for him but my guess is they have only offered up a mid round pick ( rounds 4 or 5 ) for him, again not much value.

I’m not even certain Columbus would do PLD straight up fro Laine so adding Werenski and only getting back the two pieces i just reviewed, doesn’t add up.

Just my opinion
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 10 @ 11:54 AM ET
Sorry there is just no way Columbus ever does that deal.

Niku has zero value, like none, it’s possible someone picks him up on waivers when he’s free but no ones giving anything up for him. I always laugh when people use defenceman of the year in the AHL bit, but I bet those same people couldn’t name another single person who’s won that without looking it up.

Similarly for Roslovic, yes teams have been asking for him but my guess is they have only offered up a mid round pick ( rounds 4 or 5 ) for him, again not much value.

I’m not even certain Columbus would do PLD straight up fro Laine so adding Werenski and only getting back the two pieces i just reviewed, doesn’t add up.

Just my opinion

- Ross77


I agree with your opinion Ross!


The whole Roslovic situation again exemplifies poor asset management by Chevy. I think the GM rankings I posted earlier were far too generous. The man is a bottom 5 GM in the NHL.

How many more assets are the Jets going to allow this man to squander?
Jetter
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 02.21.2019

Jan 10 @ 1:02 PM ET
Sorry there is just no way Columbus ever does that deal.

Niku has zero value, like none, it’s possible someone picks him up on waivers when he’s free but no ones giving anything up for him. I always laugh when people use defenceman of the year in the AHL bit, but I bet those same people couldn’t name another single person who’s won that without looking it up.

Similarly for Roslovic, yes teams have been asking for him but my guess is they have only offered up a mid round pick ( rounds 4 or 5 ) for him, again not much value.

I’m not even certain Columbus would do PLD straight up fro Laine so adding Werenski and only getting back the two pieces i just reviewed, doesn’t add up.

Just my opinion

- Ross77


Fair enough.

Would Columbus do Laine straight up for werenski?
islansjet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 03.13.2017

Jan 10 @ 4:49 PM ET
Both teams are just not good enough to win the cup as they are now constructed. The Jets need a first pairing d-man, not a top 4 one, while Columbus needs a player to increase their scoring. Getting Laine will help Columbus but PLD will not fix the Jets blueline. Unless the Jets flip one of their forwards to another team to get that top pairing d-man this trade makes no sense for the Jets.
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 10 @ 6:09 PM ET
Fair enough.

Would Columbus do Laine straight up for werenski?

- Jetter


This is the 1st reasonable ask for Laine I have seen on this page.
The problem is now that Laine has made it known he wants to surf on his days off... the price just went down exponentially.
Time for Chevy to cut bait as this guy is a festering cancer!
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 10 @ 7:32 PM ET
This is the 1st reasonable ask for Laine I have seen on this page.
The problem is now that Laine has made it known he wants to surf on his days off... the price just went down exponentially.
Time for Chevy to cut bait as this guy is a festering cancer!

- DEDDIE


Back under your bridge
Rexypoo
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 10 @ 7:33 PM ET
Fair enough.

Would Columbus do Laine straight up for werenski?

- Jetter


No thank you. I’d rather have Gavrikov and one of their forwards. Werenski is not an improvement on Morrissey, and will be far more expensive a lot sooner than I’d like
DEDDIE
Calgary Flames
Location: Calgary
Joined: 01.08.2019

Jan 10 @ 7:58 PM ET
Back under your bridge
- Rexypoo


No trolling here dude.
How can Laine be welcome in that dressing room?
Byfield for Laine get it done!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 10 @ 8:02 PM ET
If Laine wants to go to Anaheim, I have the ideal trade:

To ANA: Patrik Laine

To WPG: Hampus Lindholm, Trevor Zegras

There you go!
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 10 @ 8:02 PM ET
No trolling here dude.
How can Laine be welcome in that dressing room?
Byfield for Laine get it done!

- DEDDIE

I like this!
jetsnation
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 10 @ 10:28 PM ET
If Laine wants to go to Anaheim, I have the ideal trade:

To ANA: Patrik Laine

To WPG: Hampus Lindholm, Trevor Zegras

There you go!

- TheUltimateJet



Done !
Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 11 @ 9:52 AM ET
I want to discuss something when we debate who is to blame.....

it is my understanding from a source inside the organization that Chipman, Chevy and Maurice all weigh in and discuss players on the roster, lines and minutes played.

we can point to general job descriptions and say well the GM signs and drafts the players and the coach decides who to play and where cause the reality is, that just isn't true with Winnipeg.

Chipman is far more included in day to day activities than this organization would ever let the public know.

when this team fails, they are all to blame, but for me it starts at the very top (chippy), sadly though that guy is bulletproof. Chevy can not sign a player or fire a coach without approval. Maurice I don't think can do anything with on the ice team without Wheelers approval. we have some very messed up things happening behind the scenes IMO
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 11 @ 10:34 AM ET
I want to discuss something when we debate who is to blame.....

it is my understanding from a source inside the organization that Chipman, Chevy and Maurice all weigh in and discuss players on the roster, lines and minutes played.

we can point to general job descriptions and say well the GM signs and drafts the players and the coach decides who to play and where cause the reality is, that just isn't true with Winnipeg.

Chipman is far more included in day to day activities than this organization would ever let the public know.

when this team fails, they are all to blame, but for me it starts at the very top (chippy), sadly though that guy is bulletproof. Chevy can not sign a player or fire a coach without approval. Maurice I don't think can do anything with on the ice team without Wheelers approval. we have some very messed up things happening behind the scenes IMO

- Ross77



This is a great in-depth analysis! From my vantage point, this organization does not understand asset management. Since the miraculous 2017-18 season, this team has been on a downward spiral. That season was suppose to cement the Jets as a top flight organization for year to come. Looking at how they have managed pieces and consistent complaints from players there is definitely something disjointed about this franchise.


mgriffen
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto
Joined: 02.01.2012

Jan 11 @ 11:37 AM ET
This is a great in-depth analysis! From my vantage point, this organization does not understand asset management. Since the miraculous 2017-18 season, this team has been on a downward spiral. That season was suppose to cement the Jets as a top flight organization for year to come. Looking at how they have managed pieces and consistent complaints from players there is definitely something disjointed about this franchise.
- TheUltimateJet


Gotta think there's some plain old bad luck and geography impacting things as well. Two guys who should have been franchise (or close to) players (Kane and Laine) have poop attitudes. Losing a guy like Buff all of a sudden right after Trouba asked for a trade out of there (that I'd suspect due to geography) is devastating. Then couple that with the fact that it's incredible hard for them to attract top UFAs... a GM would have to get creative and do things different in that atmosphere.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 11 @ 12:06 PM ET
Gotta think there's some plain old bad luck and geography impacting things as well. Two guys who should have been franchise (or close to) players (Kane and Laine) have poop attitudes. Losing a guy like Buff all of a sudden right after Trouba asked for a trade out of there (that I'd suspect due to geography) is devastating. Then couple that with the fact that it's incredible hard for them to attract top UFAs... a GM would have to get creative and do things different in that atmosphere.
- mgriffen

Ww live in a salary cap world. Players will go where the money is. Funny how when players sign in Winnipeg, they all want no-trade clauses.
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 11 @ 12:09 PM ET
Gotta think there's some plain old bad luck and geography impacting things as well. Two guys who should have been franchise (or close to) players (Kane and Laine) have poop attitudes. Losing a guy like Buff all of a sudden right after Trouba asked for a trade out of there (that I'd suspect due to geography) is devastating. Then couple that with the fact that it's incredible hard for them to attract top UFAs... a GM would have to get creative and do things different in that atmosphere.
- mgriffen



Off topic, but Perreault and Sbisa among the Jet players on waivers
grahamzky
Winnipeg Jets
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 11 @ 12:12 PM ET
Gotta think there's some plain old bad luck and geography impacting things as well. Two guys who should have been franchise (or close to) players (Kane and Laine) have poop attitudes. Losing a guy like Buff all of a sudden right after Trouba asked for a trade out of there (that I'd suspect due to geography) is devastating. Then couple that with the fact that it's incredible hard for them to attract top UFAs... a GM would have to get creative and do things different in that atmosphere.
- mgriffen


Hurt to lose Trouba, it was "good riddance" to E. Kane! Who knows what happened in the Byfuglien situation?
2.0
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 11 @ 1:12 PM ET
This is a great in-depth analysis! From my vantage point, this organization does not understand asset management. Since the miraculous 2017-18 season, this team has been on a downward spiral. That season was suppose to cement the Jets as a top flight organization for year to come. Looking at how they have managed pieces and consistent complaints from players there is definitely something disjointed about this franchise.
- TheUltimateJet


It is interesting for sure, but there is no depth (with respect to Ross) in reporting what he heard. The info is literal on level of 'a friend of a friend'.

Depth would be if we knew how often it happened, if it was in Chipmans office or over a beer, is Chipman listening, demanding, making suggestions etc. Wheeler is a strong personality but so is Maurice and every other person worthy of wearing a C. This is the kind of stuff that gets forgotten with a few wins in the bank.

For those thinking through the questions about asset management consider that the Jets job is to win and not to develop assets for next year. This is done in the context of a salary cap, players personal wishes, personal/health issues, player development successes and stagnations, balancing win now vs getting the kids some playing time. Bottom line is that it can be a messy business that happens without right and wrong answers. Since 2017/18 the jets have lost Little, Buff, Tanev, Armia, Chiarot, Myers, Trouba as the more noteables. They have been replaced by giving more ice time to developing players - and of those players the two or three that stand out the most will get more ice time and others will leave the organization. By default the organization gains assets every year through the draft. There is a limit to how many assets can be held - every year the team must shed some.

Jets fans were insulated from losing assets for so long because the ones worth keeping were all still developing and there were none to replace them. Though it is not the deepest pipeline anymore the team is quite young with top players still improving and there are a few quality prospects that are not needed immediately.
bennythehat
Winnipeg Jets
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jan 11 @ 1:32 PM ET
No thank you. I’d rather have Gavrikov and one of their forwards. Werenski is not an improvement on Morrissey, and will be far more expensive a lot sooner than I’d like
- Rexypoo


The rest of the hockey world probably thinks Werenski is quite a bit better than Morrissey....but you are entitled to your opinion.


Ross77
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 11 @ 2:35 PM ET
It is interesting for sure, but there is no depth (with respect to Ross) in reporting what he heard. The info is literal on level of 'a friend of a friend'.

Depth would be if we knew how often it happened, if it was in Chipmans office or over a beer, is Chipman listening, demanding, making suggestions etc. Wheeler is a strong personality but so is Maurice and every other person worthy of wearing a C. This is the kind of stuff that gets forgotten with a few wins in the bank.

For those thinking through the questions about asset management consider that the Jets job is to win and not to develop assets for next year. This is done in the context of a salary cap, players personal wishes, personal/health issues, player development successes and stagnations, balancing win now vs getting the kids some playing time. Bottom line is that it can be a messy business that happens without right and wrong answers. Since 2017/18 the jets have lost Little, Buff, Tanev, Armia, Chiarot, Myers, Trouba as the more noteables. They have been replaced by giving more ice time to developing players - and of those players the two or three that stand out the most will get more ice time and others will leave the organization. By default the organization gains assets every year through the draft. There is a limit to how many assets can be held - every year the team must shed some.

Jets fans were insulated from losing assets for so long because the ones worth keeping were all still developing and there were none to replace them. Though it is not the deepest pipeline anymore the team is quite young with top players still improving and there are a few quality prospects that are not needed immediately.

- 2.0



I take no offense.
Its not so much a friend of a friend but a good friend of mine that has a very good job within the organization, for what that's worth, probably not much lol

but I am not the only one to discuss how truly involved Chipman is in the day to day, no matter what he says publicly.. I really do think its a three headed monster in Winnipeg ( chipman, Chevy, Maurice ) that equally ( well almost...chippy is the boss) make all decisions. I also do not think we can understate what has been reported on wheeler and Maurice's very often closed door meetings. this has been reported and said to be unlike any other coach/Captain relationship in the league.

my point was just, its hard to know who truly is responsible for our on ice product more or less than the others???
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