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kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:35 PM ET
https://twitter.com/buffalovogl/status/1348323084869259268?s=21

There’s a huge disconnect

Ralph is going to strong arm a $9 million player and former 40 goal scorer.

It’s officially a problem.

A big one at that.

Players are who they are especially a 10 year veteran. You don’t try to develop him at this point. You put him in the best position to succeed.

That is poor coaching.

- Stripes77


What has Ralph shown so far, aside from typical corporate business speak, to show he's a good coach?

Honest question.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jan 10 @ 1:36 PM ET
Seems like Ralph reads me

BuffaloVogl
Ralph Krueger on Jeff Skinner: "It's important no matter your role, no matter your skill level is that in general you play within (our) principles. He's continuing to work on that together with the coaching staff. Once he lets that go and relaxes and trusts his instincts ... 1/2

"... he's going to give us what we need. We need scoring right through the lineup. The present setup will give that line opportunity to add to our offense. It's important for Jeff to just keep working hard and, again, our principles need to be the guideline." 2/2
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 10 @ 1:36 PM ET
Watson will waive a trade to Miami!!

Please no.

If Miami gets a legit QB that could be a huge problem for the Bills going forward.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 10 @ 1:37 PM ET
What has Ralph shown so far, aside from typical corporate business speak, to show he's a good coach?

Honest question.

- kingcong39


Not a thing.

Besides Taylor Hall liking him and getting him to sign here.

Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 10 @ 1:37 PM ET
you don't pay a 40 goal scorer to play with guys like e rod or sobotka though
- homiedclown


That's a good point, but if you can get 30 goals (82 game schedule) from oloffson or cozens, why use skinner that way? For maybe 5 or 10 more goals above the other guys?
He should be "bringing" 15 goals with him to any line for 9 million. On talent alone. He was good and did that in Carolina right? Staal but really never a superstar center?
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 10 @ 1:38 PM ET
Canucks canceling practice due to Covid issues
Losman
Buffalo Sabres
Joined: 08.30.2006

Jan 10 @ 1:38 PM ET
Watson will waive a trade to Miami!!

Please no.

If Miami gets a legit QB that could be a huge problem for the Bills going forward.

- Stripes77


Bring it. Would love to see the Kelly/Marino, Bills/Dolphins rivalry restored.
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 10 @ 1:39 PM ET
That's a good point, but if you can get 30 goals (82 game schedule) from oloffson or cozens, why use skinner that way? For maybe 5 or 10 more goals above the other guys?
He should be "bringing" 15 goals with him to any line for 9 million. On talent alone. He was good and did that in Carolina right? Staal but really never a superstar center?

- Boss34



That’s very backward thinking.

Why use a $9 million winger with two guys who shouldn’t be in the NHL?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 10 @ 1:40 PM ET
What has Ralph shown so far, aside from typical corporate business speak, to show he's a good coach?

Honest question.

- kingcong39


Ralph got 12 goals out of girgensons for starters.
I like how eichel broke out under Krueger , not sure if that was inevitable. Probably with eichels talent?


Good point though, Ralph is really an unproven 25th overall coach. I like him but....
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jan 10 @ 1:42 PM ET
That's a good point, but if you can get 30 goals (82 game schedule) from oloffson or cozens, why use skinner that way? For maybe 5 or 10 more goals above the other guys?
He should be "bringing" 15 goals with him to any line for 9 million. On talent alone. He was good and did that in Carolina right? Staal but really never a superstar center?

- Boss34


And if your top player, as Duff said in the broadcast last night when he said he and Biron had a convo Jack and he said he loved VO's shot and finding him, basically loved playing with him. That showed in Jack's play as he had his best season.

Also, when the year before they ended up with one scoring line and finished in the bottom 5, Ralph no doubt thought change was good, and developing another scorer was as well.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:42 PM ET
I need to see Sheahan play in a few real games and the same with Cozens. From what I hear Sheahan is a good PKer. He has been in the league 9 years so he probably won't kill them defensively and maybe let Skinner do his thing.
- GilPerreault11


ralph mentioned him and pk in the same breath...the issue i have is that skinner needs someone to create a little space offensively...if he's on a line with lazar and sheahan, the opposition will key their coverage heavily his way, which is what happened last year...at least with cozens there's a very real offensive threat even if he's just a rookie
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 10 @ 1:43 PM ET
Risto is going to get 20-22 minutes a night still and Skinner is going to play on the 4th line...

Yeah def not renewing my nhl.tv
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:44 PM ET
Seems like Ralph reads me

BuffaloVogl
Ralph Krueger on Jeff Skinner: "It's important no matter your role, no matter your skill level is that in general you play within (our) principles. He's continuing to work on that together with the coaching staff. Once he lets that go and relaxes and trusts his instincts ... 1/2

"... he's going to give us what we need. We need scoring right through the lineup. The present setup will give that line opportunity to add to our offense. It's important for Jeff to just keep working hard and, again, our principles need to be the guideline." 2/2

- GilPerreault11


I would be interested to hear what the Sabres principles are from the coach, in non-corporate baloney speak.
Michael Pachla
Buffalo Sabres
Location: solid!!!
Joined: 09.05.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:44 PM ET
https://twitter.com/buffalovogl/status/1348323084869259268?s=21

There’s a huge disconnect

Ralph is going to strong arm a $9 million player and former 40 goal scorer.

It’s officially a problem.

A big one at that.

Players are who they are especially a 10 year veteran. You don’t try to develop him at this point. You put him in the best position to succeed.

That is poor coaching.

- Stripes77



lulags
Buffalo Sabres
Location: St Louis
Joined: 02.24.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:45 PM ET
That’s very backward thinking.

Why use a $9 million winger with two guys who shouldn’t be in the NHL?

- Stripes77

Prove a point? I’m not sure if it’s just his lack of effort on defense but hard to argue your point. Waste of money and talent of
He lands on 3,4 line all year
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
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Jan 10 @ 1:45 PM ET
I would be interested to hear what the Sabres principles are from the coach, in non-corporate baloney speak.
- kingcong39


“Play like a Sabre”-Kevyn Adams

What the hell does that even mean

You could play like a damn manatee for all I care as long as you win games.
GilPerreault11
Buffalo Sabres
Location: IL
Joined: 07.21.2011

Jan 10 @ 1:46 PM ET
ralph mentioned him and pk in the same breath...the issue i have is that skinner needs someone to create a little space offensively...if he's on a line with lazar and sheahan, the opposition will key their coverage heavily his way, which is what happened last year...at least with cozens there's a very real offensive threat even if he's just a rookie
- Michael Pachla


Skinner will be playing against other team's 4th liners if he actually stays there. If he can't score against 4th liners then is he really all that?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 10 @ 1:46 PM ET
That’s very backward thinking.

Why use a $9 million winger with two guys who shouldn’t be in the NHL?

- Stripes77


Shouldn't skimmer be bringing some veteran play and goal scoring potential to any line?

Isnt he a play maker? a 1 on 1 speed guy? More so than anyone other than eichel.

I see your point, good players need good centers.

I just find skimmer unique, I thought his gig was to be a 5 x 5 scorer when we traded for him ? A "Never had a center" guy? But he was scoring goals without them?


The Sabres/ botts could be that stupid to give $63 million to ride dirty with eichel?
Boss34
Buffalo Sabres
Location: BUFFALO , NY
Joined: 12.03.2015

Jan 10 @ 1:47 PM ET
And if your top player, as Duff said in the broadcast last night when he said he and Biron had a convo Jack and he said he loved VO's shot and finding him, basically loved playing with him. That showed in Jack's play as he had his best season.

Also, when the year before they ended up with one scoring line and finished in the bottom 5, Ralph no doubt thought change was good, and developing another scorer was as well.

- GilPerreault11



The is excellent gil
Stripes77
Referee
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Where ever Matt Ellis allows me to be, NY
Joined: 07.30.2012

Jan 10 @ 1:49 PM ET
Shouldn't skimmer be bringing some veteran play and goal scoring potential to any line?

Isnt he a play maker? a 1 on 1 speed guy? More so than anyone other than eichel.

I see your point, good players need good centers.

I just find skimmer unique, I thought his gig was to be a 5 x 5 scorer when we traded for him ? A "Never had a center" guy? But he was scoring goals without them?


The Sabres/ botts could be that stupid to give $63 million to ride dirty with eichel?

- Boss34



You’re confusing playing with NHL quality players that he played with in Carolina to the players he played with last season and looks like he will be playing with this year.

He doesn’t need to play with Eichel but the Skinner Staal Reinhart line was the best line in camp so far as far as the scrimmages were considered, and that was without Eichel playing.

What’s more important? Having two lines that can produce very well and having teams worry about matching up with them or spreading it out a little bit where teams can concentrate on one player per line?

Putting Skinner on that line means teams would just focus on him.
kritter65
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Buffalo, NY
Joined: 07.11.2009

Jan 10 @ 1:50 PM ET
Rasmus Ristolainen, Kyle Okposo and Curtis Lazar aren’t practicing today with the Sabres.

https://twitter.com/LLyso.../1348303524140969986?s=19

Looking at the roster today with 28 players in group 1 I bet that’s your roster going into Thursday.

23 on the active roster and 5 on the taxi squad.

Group 2 goes to Rochester soon for camp on 1/15.

This is just my hunch fwiw.

https://twitter.com/CMDeD.../1348303991566983172?s=19


- kingcong39


Borgen
Jokiharju
McCabe
Dahlin
Miller
Irwin
Ristolainen
Mountour
Bryson

So who stays as the 7th d-man between Borgen, Irwin, and Bryson ? Will all 3 stay with 2 becoming part of the taxi-squad ?

Based on what I've seen in here, I guess the 7th d-man would be Borgen ?




kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:50 PM ET
And if your top player, as Duff said in the broadcast last night when he said he and Biron had a convo Jack and he said he loved VO's shot and finding him, basically loved playing with him. That showed in Jack's play as he had his best season.

Also, when the year before they ended up with one scoring line and finished in the bottom 5, Ralph no doubt thought change was good, and developing another scorer was as well.

- GilPerreault11


Eichel is an elite player. I have a very difficult time attributing almost any of his success last season to Olofsson.

The even strength numbers indicated Eichel was slightly less productive last season compared to the prior season with Skinner. He just played more minutes.
kingcong39
Buffalo Sabres
Location: albany, NY
Joined: 02.21.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:53 PM ET
Ralph got 12 goals out of girgensons for starters.
I like how eichel broke out under Krueger , not sure if that was inevitable. Probably with eichels talent?

Good point though, Ralph is really an unproven 25th overall coach. I like him but....

- Boss34


You don't really believe Eichel's best season has anything to do with Ralph, do you? I sure don't.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:55 PM ET
I want nothing to do with the Titans unless it’s in the AFC Championship game, even then they’re not my first or second choice there.

Their defense is bad but their offense with those playmakers are a huge problem.

- Stripes77

The reality is neither team is that good of a match up for the Bills. However, Tennessee is inclined to put up a stinker every once in a while. Not that I would want to bank on that.
buffalofan19
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Wonderful things can happen when you sow seeds of distrust in a garden full of (bum)holes
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jan 10 @ 1:56 PM ET
You don't really believe Eichel's best season has anything to do with Ralph, do you? I sure don't.
- kingcong39

Eichel has been trending up since his career started, and it continued despite Ralph Kruger not because of him.
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