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668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 9:45 PM ET
I thought you and Boyd were in the “I don’t hate teams, I root for players” coombya circle.
- Victoro311

(frank) the flyers.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 22 @ 9:47 PM ET
(frank) the flyers.
- 668710

Remember when Boyd went on the record wanting the Caps to win the Cup because he was rooting for Ovi and Trotz? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Soft ass dude.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 9:54 PM ET
I thought you and Boyd were in the “I don’t hate teams, I root for players” coombya circle.
- Victoro311

Nah. I’m indifferent on 95% of the league but I certainly hated the avs from that time period.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 22 @ 9:54 PM ET
So i found it. It’s an Athletic article from ‘18. The optimal times are 6 minutes left if down 1, 12 if down 2, half way through the second period if down 4, and immediately if down 5 or more. And I mixed up the player reactions. Anders Lee was the one that was hard against it, Auston Matthews was so so, and Giroux was all for it. If you have a sub:

https://www.google.com/am...to-pull-the-goalie/%3famp

- Victoro311

Thanks for the info but I still don't buy it haha. I don't have a sub nor the desire to dive into the methodology (if it is revealed) but I'm guessing there is a fatal flaw in the logic, maybe some serious extrapolating going on. I think a lot more teams would try it if it was even close or debatable.

However, I could see scenarios like being down 3-4 goals with 30 seconds left in the 2nd and a faceoff in the offensive zone or something like that. I've always thought more teams should pull the goalie with 5 or so seconds or less in the first or second period and a faceoff in the offensive zone regardless of the score. But then that contradicts my earlier statement about 6v5 being not that much of an advantage haha.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 9:54 PM ET
Remember when Boyd went on the record wanting the Caps to win the Cup because he was rooting for Ovi and Trotz? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Soft ass dude.
- Victoro311

Yea I remember, I was just enjoying good hockey. I will say this and give Boys this... I hate watching hall of fame players jump around at the end of their career trying to win and never getting it(Iginla, possibly Thornton and Marleau) so I was definitely ok with Ovi getting a cup. He deserves it and is an amazing talent. Hate when playing against him though haha.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 9:55 PM ET
Remember when Boyd went on the record wanting the Caps to win the Cup because he was rooting for Ovi and Trotz? Pepperidge Farm remembers. Soft ass dude.
- Victoro311

I was rooting for Ovi over the team coached by a mouth breather health bombing Tatar.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 9:56 PM ET
Thanks for the info but I still don't buy it haha. I don't have a sub nor the desire to dive into the methodology (if it is revealed) but I'm guessing there is a fatal flaw in the logic, maybe some serious extrapolating going on. I think a lot more teams would try it if it was even close or debatable.

However, I could see scenarios like being down 3-4 goals with 30 seconds left in the 2nd and a faceoff in the offensive zone or something like that. I've always thought more teams should pull the goalie with 5 or so seconds or less in the first or second period and a faceoff in the offensive zone regardless of the score. But then that contradicts my earlier statement about 6v5 being not that much of an advantage haha.

- Hockey66

It’s definitely a scenario where the nerds take things way too far. People (or players in this example) are not abstract emotionless beings.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 9:56 PM ET
I was rooting for Ovi over the team coached by a mouth breather health bombing Tatar.
- Feds91Stammer

Yea Ovi definitely deserved to win a cup. Would suck for him if he didn't. Now he can go (frank) off lol
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:00 PM ET
Yea Ovi definitely deserved to win a cup. Would suck for him if he didn't. Now he can go (frank) off lol
- 668710

Haha well you shouldn’t have to worry about him winning another one. Caps have handled asset management about as well as the pens.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 22 @ 10:01 PM ET
Thanks for the info but I still don't buy it haha. I don't have a sub nor the desire to dive into the methodology (if it is revealed) but I'm guessing there is a fatal flaw in the logic, maybe some serious extrapolating going on. I think a lot more teams would try it if it was even close or debatable.

However, I could see scenarios like being down 3-4 goals with 30 seconds left in the 2nd and a faceoff in the offensive zone or something like that. I've always thought more teams should pull the goalie with 5 or so seconds or less in the first or second period and a faceoff in the offensive zone regardless of the score. But then that contradicts my earlier statement about 6v5 being not that much of an advantage haha.

- Hockey66

The fatal flaw is that it’s impossible to get players to buy in. The human component is completely ignored. Way more players like Anders Lee than Claude Giroux. Everyone wants to believe that the tying goal is coming on their next shift and that it’s not worth the risk of getting blown out.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 22 @ 10:02 PM ET
I was rooting for Ovi over the team coached by a mouth breather health bombing Tatar.
- Feds91Stammer

You aren’t a Penguins fan though. This would be like you rooting for the Black Hawks.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 22 @ 10:03 PM ET
Yea Ovi definitely deserved to win a cup. Would suck for him if he didn't. Now he can go (frank) off lol
- 668710

It’s good for the sport that Ovi got a Cup. I wasn’t upset it happened but I sure as (frank) wasn’t rooting for the Caps, especially when MAF was on the other side.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:07 PM ET
It’s good for the sport that Ovi got a Cup. I wasn’t upset it happened but I sure as (frank) wasn’t rooting for the Caps, especially when MAF was on the other side.
- Victoro311

Yea thinking about it now, I was more on the Knights side. But didn't really care that much haha. Now if we're talking Flyers, hell (frank)ing no. I was a Hawks fan all day in 2010 finals.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:10 PM ET
You aren’t a Penguins fan though. This would be like you rooting for the Black Hawks.
- Victoro311

Oh I’m well aware and while we’re at it (frank) the blackhawks too.
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:11 PM ET
Yea thinking about it now, I was more on the Knights side. But didn't really care that much haha. Now if we're talking Flyers, hell (frank)ing no. I was a Hawks fan all day in 2010 finals.
- 668710

Gross.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:12 PM ET
Think about if the Caps didn't trade Jagr, they would have had Jagr and Ovi playing together...
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:15 PM ET
Gross.
- Feds91Stammer

Yea that sucks for you. I (frank)ing can't stand Toews. Most overrated, overpaid player in the league. Solid player, no where near worth that contract.
Victoro311
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: San Diego, CA
Joined: 06.17.2014

Feb 22 @ 10:18 PM ET
Yea that sucks for you. I (frank)ing can't stand Toews. Most overrated, overpaid player in the league.
- 668710

Going to ND, the handful of years of Toews circle jerk was definitely annoying, but tough to care about that when five years later Sid got two more Cups, two Conn Smythes, a well deserved reputation as a premier two way player, and Toews became an awful contract. I don’t even mock my Hawks friends since it was just so obvious I was right. No point.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 22 @ 10:21 PM ET
The fatal flaw is that it’s impossible to get players to buy in. The human component is completely ignored. Way more players like Anders Lee than Claude Giroux. Everyone wants to believe that the tying goal is coming on their next shift and that it’s not worth the risk of getting blown out.
- Victoro311

Even if 100% of the players bought in 100% of the time, I still don't think the risk/reward works out. How many 6v5 goals are scored vs. EN goals? How many tying goals are scored at 5v5 with 6 minutes or less? The way the refs call the game based on the score is even more reason not to take what I deem unnecessary risks.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:22 PM ET
Going to ND, the handful of years of Toews circle jerk was definitely annoying, but tough to care about that when five years later Sid got two more Cups, two Conn Smythes, a well deserved reputation as a premier two way player, and Toews became an awful contract. I don’t even mock my Hawks friends since it was just so obvious I was right. No point.
- Victoro311

Yea it was insanely annoying how Hawks fans could even fathom Toews was better than Sid. (frank), Toews isn't even the best player on his team.
madmike71
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
Joined: 12.21.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:23 PM ET
Yea thinking about it now, I was more on the Knights side. But didn't really care that much haha. Now if we're talking Flyers, hell (frank)ing no. I was a Hawks fan all day in 2010 finals.
- 668710


It wasn't like watching the Pens win the cup, but watching the Flyers get crushed like that was pretty fvcking good.
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:25 PM ET
Even if 100% of the players bought in 100% of the time, I still don't think the risk/reward works out. How many 6v5 goals are scored vs. EN goals? How many tying goals are scored at 5v5 with 6 minutes or less? The way the refs call the game based on the score is even more reason not to take what I deem unnecessary risks.
- Hockey66

Yea I agree pulling a goalie at those insane times is crazy. poop can definitely happen between halfway through a game to the last few minutes of game.
Hockey66
Pittsburgh Penguins
Joined: 07.05.2019

Feb 22 @ 10:25 PM ET
Yea that sucks for you. I (frank)ing can't stand Toews. Most overrated, overpaid player in the league. Solid player, no where near worth that contract.
- 668710

At least he seems like a decent person. I can't stand Kane from that team. I laughed pretty hard when Franzen took his mouthguard and threw it across the ice. Right in front of the ref IIRC but no penalty because the ref was like, "Yeah, he deserves it."
668710
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: "Give him a chance" -Barnaby36, PA
Joined: 06.25.2011

Feb 22 @ 10:26 PM ET
It wasn't like watching the Pens win the cup, but watching the Flyers get crushed like that was pretty fvcking good.
- madmike71

Oh yea it was definitely a close second lol
Feds91Stammer
Detroit Red Wings
Location: "China was as proactive as possible" - Rinosaur, SC
Joined: 02.01.2012

Feb 22 @ 10:26 PM ET
Yea that sucks for you. I (frank)ing can't stand Toews. Most overrated, overpaid player in the league. Solid player, no where near worth that contract.
- 668710

Edzo is actually probably the main source of my hawks hatred. (frank) that guy.
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