63 points in 82 games is pretty damn good as an 18 year old lol
- j.boyd919

In my defense I did say compared to what he is now lol, well the past 4 seasons.

He was a slow starter by "Generational Talent" expectations, but he still put up solid numbers.
- Rinosaur

Right, he was supposed to be that 90-100 point guy right off the bat but it took him a few years.

MacKinnons first 4 seasons were good seasons just not that 9-10mil type money, that's why he has one of the best contracts in the league. He was playing at a 6mil player then boomed to Top 5 player in the game.

Yeah, he may not have hit Sid or Ovie numbers in his first year, but he also put up very nice numbers for his rookie year.
- Rinosaur

It wasn't his rookie season that had people down on him. He regressed from that level for several years after. Then a switch flipped and he decided he wanted to be awesome.

It wasn't his rookie season that had people down on him. He regressed from that level for several years after. Then a switch flipped and he decided he wanted to be awesome.
- MacPatty

Yea his first 4 seasons were good then the next 3 have been elite. And this season is going good for him as well.

Riko must be back with the various depth D being re-assigned everywhere.McCann will be going on the trip as well although he hasn’t started skating with taxi squad yet b

It wasn't his rookie season that had people down on him. He regressed from that level for several years after. Then a switch flipped and he decided he wanted to be awesome.
- MacPatty

Wasn’t that during the Roy Era where Roy was was coaching the team into the ground, though?

Wasn’t that during the Roy Era where Roy was was coaching the team into the ground, though?
- Victoro311

Yes 3 out of the 4 good seasons were Roy. Then under Bednar he had 1 good season and 3 elite seasons, and I'm sure he'll be the same this year.

I wasn't trying to say MacKinnon sucked. Was just saying that he started slow by his standards now. That may or may not happen with Lafreniere.

Wasn’t that during the Roy Era where Roy was was coaching the team into the ground, though?
- Victoro311

I was pretty happy to see that arrogant wiener fall flat on his face.

Remember pulling the goalie with 4+ minutes to go? I think I have that right. Maybe just 3+ minutes but still way more than the standard sub 2 minutes when down by 1 goal.

Somewhere I've still got a newspaper cutting of the image of little Mike Vernon landing a punch to Roy's head and Roy's hair flying out in all directions. Good stuff. Roy was so cocky he thought he was going to destroy Vernon haha.

I was pretty happy to see that arrogant wiener fall flat on his face.

Remember pulling the goalie with 4+ minutes to go? I think I have that right. Maybe just 3+ minutes but still way more than the standard sub 2 minutes when down by 1 goal.

Somewhere I've still got a newspaper cutting of the image of little Mike Vernon landing a punch to Roy's head and Roy's hair flying out in all directions. Good stuff. Roy was so cocky he thought he was going to destroy Vernon haha.
- Hockey66

Tell us how you really feel🤣

I was pretty happy to see that arrogant wiener fall flat on his face.

Remember pulling the goalie with 4+ minutes to go? I think I have that right. Maybe just 3+ minutes but still way more than the standard sub 2 minutes when down by 1 goal.

Somewhere I've still got a newspaper cutting of the image of little Mike Vernon landing a punch to Roy's head and Roy's hair flying out in all directions. Good stuff. Roy was so cocky he thought he was going to destroy Vernon haha.
- Hockey66

(frank) Roy.

Tell us how you really feel🤣
- 668710

I became quite the Wings fan during those years (my best friend is a Wings fan from the UP). I really came to despise those Avalanche teams with Roy and Turtle leading the pack. Now THAT was some exciting, entertaining hockey!

(frank) Roy.
- Feds91Stammer

Great player though. Best goalie I've ever seen.

I was pretty happy to see that arrogant wiener fall flat on his face.

Remember pulling the goalie with 4+ minutes to go? I think I have that right. Maybe just 3+ minutes but still way more than the standard sub 2 minutes when down by 1 goal.

Somewhere I've still got a newspaper cutting of the image of little Mike Vernon landing a punch to Roy's head and Roy's hair flying out in all directions. Good stuff. Roy was so cocky he thought he was going to destroy Vernon haha.
- Hockey66

There was actually a statistical study that concluded that for optimal probability of tying, you should pull the goalie with like 12 minutes left or something crazy like that. A bunch of NHL players were polled about it and I think it was Giroux said something like of the coach did that he’d feel like he had given up on the team. Think pretty much everyone had a similar response except for one guy that thought it was bad ass.

Probability wise it’s a good move but there’s just zero way of getting your team to buy into it. Kind of how it’s always the right call to go for it on 4th down if you’re within 2 yards regardless of where you are on the field in football. You’ll lose the defensive half of the locker room quickly doing that.

I became quite the Wings fan during those years (my best friend is a Wings fan from the UP). I really came to despise those Avalanche teams with Roy and Turtle leading the pack. Now THAT was some exciting, entertaining hockey!
- Hockey66

Avs/Wings was must watch hockey for sure. Forsberg and Federov were my favorite players love their games. Forsberg just had so many injuries.

(frank) Roy.
- Feds91Stammer

Lol, knew that was coming. Those were the (frank)ing best games though. Not even a fan of either team and I, like most hockey fans wanted to watch Avs/Wings. The Star power, the hate. Amazing games!

I became quite the Wings fan during those years (my best friend is a Wings fan from the UP). I really came to despise those Avalanche teams with Roy and Turtle leading the pack. Now THAT was some exciting, entertaining hockey!
- Hockey66

Growing up with that rivalry taught me the proper way to hate.

Lol, knew that was coming. Those were the (frank)ing best games though. Not even a fan of either team and I, like most hockey fans wanted to watch Avs/Wings. The Star power, the hate. Amazing games!
- 668710

That 7-0 game 7 western conference final win still brings me joy to this day lol.

Avs/Wings was must watch hockey for sure. Forsberg and Federov were my favorite players love their games. Forsberg just had so many injuries.
- 668710

I hated Forsberg, too haha. I think the only player I liked from those teams was Sakic - he and Yzerman seemed like brothers from a different mother. I guess Borque, too, but he was a late arrival.

There was actually a statistical study that concluded that for optimal probability of tying, you should pull the goalie with like 12 minutes left or something crazy like that. A bunch of NHL players were polled about it and I think it was Giroux said something like of the coach did that he’d feel like he had given up on the team. Think pretty much everyone had a similar response except for one guy that thought it was bad ass.

Probability wise it’s a good move but there’s just zero way of getting your team to buy into it. Kind of how it’s always the right call to go for it on 4th down if you’re within 2 yards regardless of where you are on the field in football. You’ll lose the defensive half of the locker room quickly doing that.
- Victoro311

Yeah, that seems bunk. I don't think there is that much of an advantage 6v5. For one, there are so many players in a relatively small area (offensive zone) that it's hard to create space, not to mention hard to get the puck past so many bodies. The defending team still has 5 defenders in the zone, so that's pretty good.

5v4 seems way more advantageous and what's the average, 1 out of 5 times is successful? Then there's the fact that if the other team does get the puck, a shorty is pretty rare whereas with a pulled goalie it's almost rare not to get scored on.

Yeah, that seems bunk. I don't think there is that much of an advantage 6v5. For one, there are so many players in a relatively small area (offensive zone) that it's hard to create space, not to mention hard to get the puck past so many bodies. The defending team still has 5 defenders in the zone, so that's pretty good.

5v4 seems way more advantageous and what's the average, 1 out of 5 times is successful? Then there's the fact that if the other team does get the puck, a shorty is pretty rare whereas with a pulled goalie it's almost rare not to get scored on.
- Hockey66

So i found it. It’s an Athletic article from ‘18. The optimal times are 6 minutes left if down 1, 12 if down 2, half way through the second period if down 4, and immediately if down 5 or more. And I mixed up the player reactions. Anders Lee was the one that was hard against it, Auston Matthews was so so, and Giroux was all for it. If you have a sub:

https://www.google.com/am...to-pull-the-goalie/%3famp

I hated Forsberg, too haha. I think the only player I liked from those teams was Sakic - he and Yzerman seemed like brothers from a different mother. I guess Borque, too, but he was a late arrival.
- Hockey66

Lol all good. I mean I liked most of the players. It was just amazing hockey to watch haha.

Growing up with that rivalry taught me the proper way to hate.
- Feds91Stammer

Yes lol

Growing up with that rivalry taught me the proper way to hate.
- Feds91Stammer

I thought you and Boyd were in the “I don’t hate teams, I root for players” coombya circle.