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Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 22 @ 10:51 AM ET
The data is in, and it's conclusive. Carter Hart should not be anywhere near the ice when the Flyers play Boston.

- Letterkenney


Wasn’t overly surprised he got the start but in a game like that I would’ve started elliot. Just why out the pressure in the kid.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 22 @ 10:51 AM ET
The data is in, and it's conclusive. Carter Hart should not be anywhere near the ice when the Flyers play Boston.

- Letterkenney


Wasn’t overly surprised he got the start but in a game like that I would’ve started elliot. Just why out the pressure in the kid.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 22 @ 10:51 AM ET
The data is in, and it's conclusive. Carter Hart should not be anywhere near the ice when the Flyers play Boston.

- Letterkenney


Wasn’t overly surprised he got the start but in a game like that I would’ve started elliot. Just why out the pressure in the kid.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Feb 22 @ 10:52 AM ET
I can't get too wound up over last night when you have a "who's who" out there against the top team in the division.

Hart has to be better. He's looked pretty pedestrian to me regardless of stats. The fact they don't play again until Wednesday I'd be fine with Hart starting. Although I do understand the argument to go with Moose.
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Feb 22 @ 10:54 AM ET
Did anyone see the Panarin news
- arichardson22


Nothing on tsn or general web search. What is up except he is carrying the Rangers ?

EDIT.. ok it finally came up.. he was being accused of beating a girl in 2011 in Riga Latvia by a Putin loving coach and Panarin is anti Putin..
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:55 AM ET
Did anyone see the Panarin news
- arichardson22



did anyone post a link or should we just guess? Points for the right answer?


edited to add:

WOW!
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Feb 22 @ 10:58 AM ET
did anyone post a link or should we just guess? Points for the right answer?


edited to add:

WOW!

- MBFlyerfan


My dumbass forgot to post the link lol. Sorry.

https://twitter.com/nyp_b.../1363869876562059276?s=21
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Feb 22 @ 10:58 AM ET
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...eave-of-absence/89/110032

Artemi gonna die....
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 22 @ 11:10 AM ET
I don't like how Provorov played that 1st 2-on-1, he effectively screened Hart on the McAvoy goal, and he coughed up the puck badly on the hat trick clincher. If your top-pair guy isn't on his game, there's really not much your team can do in the face of a far superior opponent. Niskanen wouldn't have made much of a difference last night.

But overall, the d-corps isn't playing badly. Ghost and Myers have stepped up for the most part. Prov and Sanheim have been mostly OK. The 3rd-pair has been a weak spot, but nothing that would cause the team to continually be outshot 2:1.

Their team game is just still too inconsistent. The forwards carry just as much blame for that as the D.

- Tomahawk

Honestly I think Sanheim has been the Flyers best defenseman this year, which again is not a good sign for Provorov.
RajaAmpat
Joined: 12.16.2018

Feb 22 @ 11:11 AM ET
https://www.hockeybuzz.co...eave-of-absence/89/110032

Artemi gonna die....

- MBFlyerfan


Putin will have him poisoned or given radioactive material in his food..I guess they were not getting enough kickback from his salary..
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 22 @ 11:12 AM ET
You’re being naive if you don’t think the Flyers were rushed back because of the logistical nightmare of them not playing in this game.

They gave the Devils as much time as they needed out of an abundance of caution.

Pretty pathetic job by the NHL.

- Flyers1218

I agree!
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:29 AM ET
You’re being naive if you don’t think the Flyers were rushed back because of the logistical nightmare of them not playing in this game.

They gave the Devils as much time as they needed out of an abundance of caution.

Pretty pathetic job by the NHL.

- Flyers1218


Weren't the Rangers on tap to go if the Flyers couldn't?

Given roster conditions wouldn't one expect that a Boston-NYR game would be a "better" game?

So it's probably more likely that the NHL wanted to see the Flyers embarrassed on national TV in an idyllic environment.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 22 @ 11:43 AM ET
Weren't the Rangers on tap to go if the Flyers couldn't?

Given roster conditions wouldn't one expect that a Boston-NYR game would be a "better" game?

So it's probably more likely that the NHL wanted to see the Flyers embarrassed on national TV in an idyllic environment.

- Scoob


Yes. It seems to be setting the stage for a Cinderella story final battle in the East on the road to an improbable cup victory.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Feb 22 @ 11:44 AM ET
Yes. It seems to be setting the stage for a Cinderella story final battle in the East on the road to an improbable cup victory.
- NC Flyers Fan



The math checks out.
mkabbeko
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Feb 22 @ 11:55 AM ET
Not trying to hate on Hart, but all young goalies struggle and, in my opinion, he needs to win the starting position back from Elliot at this point.
Peter Richards
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Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Feb 22 @ 12:06 PM ET
Yes. It seems to be setting the stage for a Cinderella story final battle in the East on the road to an improbable cup victory.
- NC Flyers Fan

I’ll get on this gravy train. They can win all the reg season games.....we can sweep in the playoffs.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 22 @ 12:10 PM ET
Not trying to hate on Hart, but all young goalies struggle and, in my opinion, he needs to win the starting position back from Elliot at this point.
- mkabbeko


I understand earning it, but IMO that judgment should not be made off this game and last. They are coming off a Covid pause with no practice or anything for 8 days while missing key players from the lineup. It’s not about excuses but the unusual circumstances are facts which can’t be ignored.

NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 22 @ 12:12 PM ET
I’ll get on this gravy train. They can win all the reg season games.....we can sweep in the playoffs.
- Peter Richards


It’s like letting them have the first shot.

mkabbeko
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.17.2013

Feb 22 @ 12:18 PM ET
I understand earning it, but IMO that judgment should not be made off this game and last. They are coming off a Covid pause with no practice or anything for 8 days while missing key players from the lineup. It’s not about excuses but the unusual circumstances are facts which can’t be ignored.
- NC Flyers Fan


Not basing it off this game alone. I think Elliot has been better this season (I know, not a huge sample size) and should get more of the games, 1A style. I also think that AV let Hart out to dry a bit, he looked off from the start.

Also, make no mistake - I think Hart is the better goaltender.
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Feb 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
So if your the GM do you go for it and try to add missing pieces?
Do you sell off your free gents or your bottom pair dman to get future assets if the demand is there?

Would love to know where the GM thinks this team stands in terms of getting to the finals.

They are not good enough as is imo.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 22 @ 12:31 PM ET
Wasn’t overly surprised he got the start but in a game like that I would’ve started elliot. Just why out the pressure in the kid.
- Peter Richards

This is really a bad idea. I would make it a point to play Carter Hart in *every* big game the Flyers have. If hart can't handle it, he is not the goalie we thought he was!
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 22 @ 12:38 PM ET
Not basing it off this game alone. I think Elliot has been better this season (I know, not a huge sample size) and should get more of the games, 1A style. I also think that AV let Hart out to dry a bit, he looked off from the start.

Also, make no mistake - I think Hart is the better goaltender.

- mkabbeko


It has been a segmented small sample size for certain. And I agree with your last line which is why I hope they give Hart more time. It sounds like they might get three practices in this week. That will be a tremendous help!

jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Feb 22 @ 12:40 PM ET
So if your the GM do you go for it and try to add missing pieces?
Do you sell off your free gents or your bottom pair dman to get future assets if the demand is there?

Would love to know where the GM thinks this team stands in terms of getting to the finals.

They are not good enough as is imo.

- login

First, no one is going to give you anything for your bottom pair dman! Second, are you saying you want to trade off more players to get future assets so we can continue to be 3-4 years away? If that is all Fletcher can do, we might as well have kept Hextall! You are right however, this team is not good enough!
login
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.21.2020

Feb 22 @ 12:43 PM ET
First, no one is going to give you anything for your bottom pair dman! Second, are you saying you want to trade off more players to get future assets so we can continue to be 3-4 years away? If that is all Fletcher can do, we might as well have kept Hextall! You are right however, this team is not good enough!
- jd250

Well if this team isn't good enough, then why wouldn't you trade away the free agents to be? That is why you sell off those players.

Or do you think they should make moves to make themselves good enough.

Dont underestimate the value Braun has imo he can easily be moved.
NC Flyers Fan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.19.2018

Feb 22 @ 12:45 PM ET
So if your the GM do you go for it and try to add missing pieces?
Do you sell off your free gents or your bottom pair dman to get future assets if the demand is there?

Would love to know where the GM thinks this team stands in terms of getting to the finals.

They are not good enough as is imo.

- login


I was thinking about this the other day with the rumors on Ekholm. I’m not sure about his fit or injury status. Yet, I don’t think it’s just about where Fletcher sees the team this season but also next season and looking forward. Whenever you can land that missing piece on defense, he has just got to do it. Cost might be a bear in draft picks but the hole there is real and whenever it can be filled, that’s the right time.
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