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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 7 @ 4:17 PM ET
Eliminate Patrick and Lindblom, as they have medical issues but is it just a coincidence that all of the young players with the possible exception of Farabee have taken a step back in the same season? Now we see Farabee struggling. This includes more experienced young players such as Konecny. What they all SUCK with an S? All at the same time?

- MJL

You see, its the capital 'S' that really hammers home the point!!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 4:18 PM ET
But the jury can't be out for an NHL forward who played only 52 games his first year and had 21 points?? Nope, no way, in that case you cannot be on the fence, you must declare him a top forward because after all, Hextall drafted him!


I'm embarrassed for you!

- jd250


The jury is always out for any young player. However when you post that you don't "see it" in a player like Farabee, despite the obvious skill level and potential, then that's where there is an issue. Just like when you post that Sanheim and Myers SUCK with an S!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 7 @ 4:19 PM ET
I will completely surprised if Seattle picks Voracek.
- MJL

Pleasantly surprised though!
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 4:19 PM ET
You see, its the capital 'S' that really hammers home the point!!
- jd250


Oh, it definitely hammer home the point. Just not the point you think it does.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 7 @ 4:21 PM ET
The jury is always out for any young player. However when you post that you don't "see it" in a player like Farabee, despite the obvious skill level and potential, then that's where there is an issue. Just like when you post that Sanheim and Myers SUCK with an S!
- MJL

WAIT .. that is totally wrong! I NEVER said I didn't see it in Farabee, I only said I wanted to see more before I drew any conclusions. I did say I didn't see it in Patrick, and of course I am standing by that statement because it should be obvious to everyone by now that he also SUCKS with a capital 'S'!
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 7 @ 4:22 PM ET
Oh, it definitely hammer home the point. Just not the point you think it does.

- MJL

Ok, so in your previous post about all the younger players regressing, your blaming the coaching staff now? Are you turning on AV? I certainly want to see him change up his staff at a minimum.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 4:25 PM ET
WAIT .. that is totally wrong! I NEVER said I didn't see it in Farabee, I only said I wanted to see more before I drew any conclusions. I did say I didn't see it in Patrick, and of course I am standing by that statement because it should be obvious to everyone by now that he also SUCKS with a capital 'S'!
- jd250


Sure you did, multiple times. Including the famous, "all the Flyers young players are what they are" comment. In specific conversations about Farabee, when I said he has the potential to be a 35 goal 70 point player, you said you don't see it and are still on the fence.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 4:26 PM ET
Ok, so in your previous post about all the younger players regressing, your blaming the coaching staff now? Are you turning on AV? I certainly want to see him change up his staff at a minimum.
- jd250


Of course a big part of it is on the coaching staff. Why wouldn't it be. I'm not turning on AV. I've been leveling criticism on him for a while now. It is deserved.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Apr 7 @ 4:37 PM ET
Ok, so in your previous post about all the younger players regressing, your blaming the coaching staff now? Are you turning on AV? I certainly want to see him change up his staff at a minimum.
- jd250

lets blame the coach and not the team leadership that's been a constant for many years
.MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 04.07.2021

Apr 7 @ 4:39 PM ET
And your calling other people names, insulting their intelligence.
- MJL


yeah that's my schtick!
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 7 @ 4:40 PM ET
WAIT .. that is totally wrong! I NEVER said I didn't see it in Farabee, I only said I wanted to see more before I drew any conclusions. I did say I didn't see it in Patrick, and of course I am standing by that statement because it should be obvious to everyone by now that he also SUCKS with a capital 'S'!
- jd250


Not obvious to me.

Give him another qualifying offer is what I say.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 7 @ 4:50 PM ET
Back in 2016 Craig Button had Phil Myers rated as hockeys number 38 overall prospect. He was a fast riser, this year he's maybe not awful but certainly not great...the same can be said for Sanheim and Provorov. Why have they regressed?
- DANCER

Re Myers: The lights are on but no one is home.
DANCER
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2019

Apr 7 @ 5:02 PM ET
Defense is hard. Especially when your forwards suck at helping out and your goaltenders can't be trusted to make a semi-difficult save.
- Tomahawk
Great answer...
Landsbergfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gävle, Sweden
Joined: 07.15.2014

Apr 7 @ 5:10 PM ET
Oh, it definitely hammer home the point. Flyers still in it mathematically! With Fletch grabbing 2-3 ,superstars at the deadline, this team could be a dark horse 🐎

- MJL


Hard to grab quality at the deadline. Prices are high, and the return is usually 💩
Pompous
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ruskin, FL
Joined: 02.19.2014

Apr 7 @ 5:13 PM ET
lets blame the coach and not the team leadership that's been a constant for many years
- 2Real


The reason the coaches are hired is to remedy deficiencies with the roster they have. When all the trend lines are DOWN, what are they doing to reverse that?
I agree that the senior players are not Prongers, Clarkes or even Richards in style. If that is what is needed to move the needle, who would you select to fill that void?
Would retaining the coaches be wise if we can gain a ball-busting, hate-to-lose crew to man this team. How would they deal with STRONG personalities?
Many coaches fail to do that well.
Meanwhile, I'd fire the assistants. Or put them on waivers too. Their objectively viewed performance is amateurish.
DANCER
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2019

Apr 7 @ 5:16 PM ET
The reason the coaches are hired is to remedy deficiencies with the roster they have. When all the trend lines are DOWN, what are they doing to reverse that?
I agree that the senior players are not Prongers, Clarkes or even Richards in style. If that is what is needed to move the needle, who would you select to fill that void?
Would retaining the coaches be wise if we can gain a ball-busting, hate-to-lose crew to man this team. How would they deal with STRONG personalities?
Many coaches fail to do that well.
Meanwhile, I'd fire the assistants. Or put them on waivers too. Their objectively viewed performance is amateurish.

- Pompous
Its been said that you can't fire all of the players so sometimes the coach goes...often unfairly. In this case, I think the assistants are on the hot seat. Someone needs to teach these guys how to run PP and PK
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Apr 7 @ 5:22 PM ET
Update!

Flyers only win 1 out of 20 sims on Tankathon....

Time to increase those odds.

I'd love to be so blatant as to bench G & Jake, and make them ask to leave. Then we facilitate their request at all costs.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 5:23 PM ET
Its been said that you can't fire all of the players so sometimes the coach goes...often unfairly. In this case, I think the assistants are on the hot seat. Someone needs to teach these guys how to run PP and PK
- DANCER


If the assistants aren't doing something right or are not coaching the players in the right manner, whose responsibility is it to correct that?
DANCER
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2019

Apr 7 @ 5:34 PM ET
If the assistants aren't doing something right or are not coaching the players in the right manner, whose responsibility is it to correct that?
- MJL
As always it goes to the top of the organization. Snyder's history was to change coaches often. They have been virtually irrelevant since the late 90s. I'm certainly not saying that AV has no responsibility. But who would you recommend to take his place? Unfortunately Sutter and Trotz are already spoken for.
hereticpride
New Jersey Devils
Location: HEY. Does this pole still work?, NJ
Joined: 01.14.2011

Apr 7 @ 5:39 PM ET
Update!

Flyers only win 1 out of 20 sims on Tankathon....

Time to increase those odds.

I'd love to be so blatant as to bench G & Jake, and make them ask to leave. Then we facilitate their request at all costs.

- DrMidnite

They should Horford Jake lol
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

Apr 7 @ 5:41 PM ET
If the assistants aren't doing something right or are not coaching the players in the right manner, whose responsibility is it to correct that?
- MJL



surely you can understand the optics of "correcting" another head coach. why wouldn't you consider questioning the supporting cast?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Apr 7 @ 5:47 PM ET
As always it goes to the top of the organization. Snyder's history was to change coaches often. They have been virtually irrelevant since the late 90s. I'm certainly not saying that AV has no responsibility. But who would you recommend to take his place? Unfortunately Sutter and Trotz are already spoken for.
- DANCER


Hire Mike Babcock and have him ask NP to make a list of his teammates, ranked by work ethic.

/s


Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 7 @ 5:47 PM ET
Ah but what does that entail. How much money? Who among prospects?
- PT21


It would be substantial compensation I would think.

Seattle is sitting pretty right now with this flat cap. They are going to clean up by taking on unwanted deals
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 5:49 PM ET
As always it goes to the top of the organization. Snyder's history was to change coaches often. They have been virtually irrelevant since the late 90s. I'm certainly not saying that AV has no responsibility. But who would you recommend to take his place? Unfortunately Sutter and Trotz are already spoken for.
- DANCER


I'm not advocating for replacing AV. I'm criticizing the job he has done this season.
DANCER
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 10.30.2019

Apr 7 @ 5:50 PM ET
Hire Mike Babcock and have him ask NP to make a list of his teammates, ranked by work ethic.

/s

- Tomahawk
Funny I was just thinking how we cried when he didn't come to Philly...
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