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Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Apr 7 @ 10:15 AM ET
Agree. But how bout the goalie make a save? How many odd man rushes did the Flyers have against the 4th goalie on the Bruins depth chart last night? How many goals did they score?
- PLindbergh31


I thought this as well. You need your goalie to make a save in that spot....yes I wish ghost had played Marchand....but Harts play is just one of a few problems that the Flyers need to get fixed if they don’t want next year to be a repeat.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:15 AM ET
Issues i see on pp are:

1) Entry - they mostly try to carry the puck in and they turn it over. They seem way more successful when they dump snd chase but rarely do that

2) They move the puck too slowly. When i watch other teams on the pp the setup looks the same but they move the puck a lot faster than the flyers do. Flyers seem to hold onto the puck too long and allow teams time to read tge play and get in position. They have had flashes where they moved the puck fast lately.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Completely agree! Unfortunately, when they do dump and chase on the PP, most times they lose one on one board battles and rarely ever try to outnumber the team on the PK. Ghost is the best PP QB they have at this point. Teams have to respect his shot, shooting mentality and lateral movement.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Apr 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
Every post you’ve ever posted, I have bookmarked.
- SuperSchennBros

I know, I don't mean to sound like I'm bragging or anything, but there are some on this site, not going to mention what the 3 initials of that person are, that continually state I have never stated what I stated, and it just bothers me to a point where I feel like I have to post crap like this; though it is true, its not germane to the conversation at hand.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
ghost played that 2on1 as bad as any ive seen
- KINGKENZO


Yeah, that's defending 101. Always take away the pass and give the goalie the shooter. Although, you still need your goalie to bail out a defensive mistake from time to time and the Flyers goalies haven't done it nearly enough.
mickel25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Morgantown, PA
Joined: 01.21.2011

Apr 7 @ 10:17 AM ET
I don't disagree with you, and surely the Flyers PK has been awful this year regressing to what it was, and maybe worse, before AV took the helm. However the PP has killed the Flyers this year. Its not about having the best PP% in the league, its about being able to score that timely PP goal in the key moments of the game. The Bruins don't have the best PP in the league, but their veterans know how to bear down when they need to and get the job done to win the game. The Flyers on the other hand, when given an opportunity in the 3rd period do worse than not convert, they instead lose the game on a short handed goal. We have to face facts, this is what losers do, find a way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
- jd250


100% agree that was a loser sequence. They have done that a lot this year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 10:18 AM ET
Yes, and I posted this morning SPECIFICALLY about this game and specifically what caused that 3rd PP to go so bad for the Flyers. So what do you want from me? Geez.
- jd250


No, you posted that the Flyers should've played not to win and not used their normal PP lineup due to who the Bruins have out there. That is not the correct approach to use.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 7 @ 10:19 AM ET
What's the BS with Farabee being benched in game, moved to 4th line?

He's been a top 3 player on the team most of the year. He's had a drop off lately, but let him play himself out of it. Vigneault has a very selective doghouse.

- PLindbergh31


Farabee hit the wall about three weeks ago and has been struggling, both offensively and defensively, since mid-March. If he hadn't played so well up until then, he'd probably have been scratched a few times by now.

Actually, my pregame question to Vigneault yesterday was about JVR and Farabee, because both of them had dropped off on their play for several weeks apart from just point production rates. Farabee has especially been struggling lately. Turning pucks over in bad areas, losing weak side D coverage, impatiently forcing plays that aren't there. Energy at low ebb on the forecheck.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:20 AM ET
Agree. But how bout the goalie make a save? How many odd man rushes did the Flyers have against the 4th goalie on the Bruins depth chart last night? How many goals did they score?
- PLindbergh31


Exactly! Make the saves you're supposed to and some that are difficult. Hart was outplayed by an AHL goalie last night. Hart was like a cheap hooker...his five hole was wide open for business all night!
Robert's Plant
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 03.23.2021

Apr 7 @ 10:22 AM ET
End of February first in the Division
April 6 Season over

One hat trick after another allowed
Laughing stock special teams
“Franchise” goaltender regressing by the minute
Patrick a bust
Myers/Sanheim playing terrible
Head scratching coaching decisions/zero adjustments
A GM with a poop track record

That future though, how bright is it!?

- PLindbergh31


Who ever said it a few blobs ago; about 2-3 years away from being 2-3 years away.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:22 AM ET
Farabee hit the wall about three weeks ago and has been struggling, both offensively and defensively, since mid-March. If he hadn't played so well up until then, he'd probably have been scratched a few times by now.

Actually, my pregame question to Vigneault yesterday was about JVR and Farabee, because both of them had dropped off on their play for several weeks apart from just point production rates, but Farabee has especially been struggling lately.

- bmeltzer


How many games has Aube-Kubel been scratched lately? After he takes one horrible undisciplined penalty after another?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 10:22 AM ET
Exactly! Make the saves you're supposed to and some that are difficult. Hart was outplayed by an AHL goalie last night. Hart was like a cheap hooker last night...his five hole was wide open for business all night!
- aantny88


Hart should've definitely had the 2nd Bergeron goal. Marchand easily scored on the SH goal.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:23 AM ET
Hart should've definitely had the 2nd Bergeron goal. Marchand easily scored on the SH goal.
- MJL


Absolutely correct. JJ called it a goal before it actually went over the goal line because that rat wiener burned Hart so badly through the five hole.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 7 @ 10:25 AM ET
ESPN and the Sunday comics are the last places I would go for hockey content
- BroadSTmayhem


But not in that order - sometimes Woodstock plays hockey on on his frozen birdbath
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 7 @ 10:25 AM ET
Exactly! Make the saves you're supposed to and some that are difficult. Hart was outplayed by an AHL goalie last night. Hart was like a cheap hooker last night...his five hole was wide open for business all night!
- aantny88


The 2-on-1 goal was not on Hart. Marchand faked a shot, forced Hart to open up and scored. Marchand does that to a whole lot of goalies. Ghost NEEDED to force Lauzon (a defenseman with 2 career goals) to shoot and let Hart take him. Once the pass got across, Hart (or any goalie) was at Marchand's mercy to deke, move on or fire off an immediate shot from a pretty good shooting area.

The Bergeron PPG was a leaky one, agreed.

Hart also stopped several point blank shots, erased a brutal turnover by Myers and a 2-on-1 (right after Laughton's first breakaway, when the puck got past Provorov).

Goalie play was fine for the Flyers last night.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:26 AM ET
Who ever said it a few blobs ago; about 2-3 years away from being 2-3 years away.
- Robert's Plant


Sadly, it's been like this since 2010. I wish I knew how to fix the problem, but tanking doesn't always work (Edmonton, Buffalo, etc.) and staying competitive doesn't seem to yield enough top end draft picks to take the next step.
DrMidnite
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: False-Positive, Texas
Joined: 12.10.2010

Apr 7 @ 10:28 AM ET
Flyers just came in 1st two times in a row on Tankathon.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:28 AM ET
The 2-on-1 goal was not on Hart. Marchand faked a shot, forced Hart to open up and scored. Marchand does that to a whole lot of goalies. Ghost NEEDED to force Lauzon (a defenseman with 2 career goals) to shoot and let Hart take him. Once the pass got across, Hart (or any goalie) was at Marchand's mercy to deke, move on or fire off an immediate shot from a pretty good shooting area.

The Bergeron PPG was a leaky one, agreed.

Hart also stopped several point blank shots, erased a brutal turnover by Myers and a 2-on-1 (right after Laughton's first breakaway, when the puck got past Provorov).

Goalie play was fine for the Flyers last night.

- bmeltzer


Goalie play was inferior to the opposition goalie yet again. Been that way all season long.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Apr 7 @ 10:29 AM ET
The 2-on-1 goal was not on Hart. Marchand faked a shot, forced Hart to open up and scored. Marchand does that to a whole lot of goalies.

The Bergeron PPG was a leaky one, agreed.

Hart also stopped several point blank shots, erased a brutal turnover by Myers and a 2-on-1 (right after Laughton's first breakaway, when the puck got past Provorov).

Goalie play was fine for the Flyers last night.

- bmeltzer


If you look at the way the Bruins goalie played on breakaways, he didn't bite on moves. He outwaited Laughton. You can't bite on the fake. It was way too easy for Marchand. He made some really good saves but if he is going to be a top goaltender in this league, then he has to make saves in situations like that.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 7 @ 10:31 AM ET
How many games has Aube-Kubel been scratched lately? After he takes one horrible undisciplined penalty after another?
- PLindbergh31


I agree. He's also a player that coaches have to stay on constantly to stay focused. Sometimes, he's great on the forecheck. Other times, he takes pretty curious routes (did that last night in a NZ situation). In that role in the lineup, you really need someone lower maintenance.

Also, the hints of offensive upside he showed last year have been nowhere to be seen this season.
Just5
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.22.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:32 AM ET
Flyers just came in 1st two times in a row on Tankathon.
- DrMidnite


Lol
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 7 @ 10:33 AM ET
If you look at the way the Bruins goalie played on breakaways, he didn't bite on moves. He outwaited Laughton. You can't bite on the fake. It was way too easy for Marchand. He made some really good saves but if he is going to be a top goaltender in this league, then he has to make saves in situations like that.
- MJL


Hart is usually pretty good at outwaiting shooters one-on-one. Yes, this was a game-on-the-line situation. At the same time, it's Brad Marchand -- one of the NHL's most dangerous players one-on-one with a goalie, from Vezina caliber guys rught on down to fill-ins -- with the puck in his office. Advantage Marchand. I'm not putting that one on Hart.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:34 AM ET
100% agree
- Scoob


But he can be very good and yet others can be better, surely. No contradiction there.

Like I said before, it is fine to have your own assessment when external sources diverge.

But if expert opinion pols show him outside the top 15 AND comprehensive statistics show him outside the top 15 AND a poll of GM's and personnel show him outside the top 15, and you persist undeterred with your assessment, then it is not really an assessment.

It is faith.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Apr 7 @ 10:34 AM ET
Goalie play was inferior to the opposition goalie yet again. Been that way all season long.
- PLindbergh31



No. It was that way in March and isolated games before that. I have no issues with the Flyers goalie play the last three games.
Scoob
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: love is love
Joined: 06.29.2006

Apr 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
The 2-on-1 goal was not on Hart. Marchand faked a shot, forced Hart to open up and scored. Marchand does that to a whole lot of goalies. Ghost NEEDED to force Lauzon (a defenseman with 2 career goals) to shoot and let Hart take him. Once the pass got across, Hart (or any goalie) was at Marchand's mercy to deke, move on or fire off an immediate shot from a pretty good shooting area.

The Bergeron PPG was a leaky one, agreed.

Hart also stopped several point blank shots, erased a brutal turnover by Myers and a 2-on-1 (right after Laughton's first breakaway, when the puck got past Provorov).

Goalie play was fine for the Flyers last night.

- bmeltzer


I agree
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

Apr 7 @ 10:35 AM ET
The 2-on-1 goal was not on Hart. Marchand faked a shot, forced Hart to open up and scored. Marchand does that to a whole lot of goalies. Ghost NEEDED to force Lauzon (a defenseman with 2 career goals) to shoot and let Hart take him. Once the pass got across, Hart (or any goalie) was at Marchand's mercy to deke, move on or fire off an immediate shot from a pretty good shooting area.

The Bergeron PPG was a leaky one, agreed.

Hart also stopped several point blank shots, erased a brutal turnover by Myers and a 2-on-1 (right after Laughton's first breakaway, when the puck got past Provorov).

Goalie play was fine for the Flyers last night.

- bmeltzer


Bill, I respectfully disagree. While I did mention Ghost should have taken away the pass and let Hart focus on the shooter, if Marchand does that to a lot of goalies, (considering you know and I know it) then Hart should be expecting it. They do study film right? Goalies should know the tendencies of the other teams top players. For example, we know Ovie is going to rip that one timer coming across his body on the PP, so preparation would dictate being ready for it/anticipating it. While on the whole Hart's play may have been fine, sometimes you need more than that, especially when the playoffs are essentially on the line.
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