Sanheim has actually been pretty awesome lately.

As for Myers, he's halfway through his second season. Mr. Dependable Matty Niskanen made a ton of mistakes early in his career too. That's actually putting it kindly, he was a hot risky mess. It wasn't until his 5th or 6th season that he really got in his groove.

If the Flyers are patient enough to ride out all the growing pains they'll have a top notch performer in Myers for years to come. If not, have fun watching him blossom and probably win Stanley Cups with another team.
- Tomahawk

This.

Dear Chuck,

Sell.

Thank you.
- Stockman72

I dont think there are going to be many buyers this year. There isnt a lot of cap room out there, and thanks to the divisional system the league is playing under its really like there are 4 separate conferences and hardly any bubble teams this year.

If you're looking for a bunch of moves from the Flyers, I don't think you are going to get them until after the season.

Just my opinion, but I think the doom and gloom on Hart is really premature. He is super young to be a starting goalie in the NHL and, if we're being honest with ourselves, the team is poop. Everything points to him working through his growing pains. He supposedly works his butt off and takes the sport and his job like a maniac. I have a feeling (hope) that he will still be a stud for us for years to come.
- daddytc

All good points. His track record suggests you are correct. I believe that the org is focused on fixing the team around him as we should all be.

what you uneducated people fail to realize is that I am the only one who actually knows anything. I am the only one who can be wrong but also PROVE i never said anything wrong. how are you guys so stupid? hyperbole!

Sanheim has actually been pretty awesome lately.

As for Myers, he's halfway through his second season. Mr. Dependable Matty Niskanen made a ton of mistakes early in his career too. That's actually putting it kindly, he was a hot risky mess. It wasn't until his 5th or 6th season that he really got in his groove.

If the Flyers are patient enough to ride out all the growing pains they'll have a top notch performer in Myers for years to come. If not, have fun watching him blossom and probably win Stanley Cups with another team.
- Tomahawk

The second para does not follow from the first.

Lost of very good players had growing pains. But lots of projected very good players had growing pains that turned out to be permanent pains and they never fulfilled projections too. Joni Pitkanen, Coburn and Luke Schenn come to mind from Flyers alone.

I fix the first part of your paragraph therefore:

If the Flyers are patient enough to ride out all the growing pains they might have a top notch performer in Myers for years to come. But there is also a pretty good chance that they might not.

what you uneducated people fail to realize is that I am the only one who actually knows anything. I am the only one who can be wrong but also PROVE i never said anything wrong. how are you guys so stupid? hyperbole!
- MJL.

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The second para does not follow from the first.

Lost of very good players had growing pains. But lots of projected very good players had growing pains that turned out to be permanent pains and they never fulfilled projections too. Joni Pitkanen, Coburn and Luke Schenn come to mind from Flyers alone.

I fix the first part of your paragraph therefore:

If the Flyers are patient enough to ride out all the growing pains they might have a top notch performer in Myers for years to come. But there is also a pretty good chance that they might not.
- PT21

So here probabilities don't count in the same way that if you trade Couturier and Giroux and rebuild, you might wind up with a very good team. But there is also a pretty good chance that they might not. After all, those prospects and picks they get might not work out.

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- Doc_Sarcasm

Reposted because it deserves it.

I'm not sure what to make of the Flyers anymore. The March Meltdown is easily one of the worst meltdowns in a single month from all of the Philadelphia area sports. Hart/Elliot tandem was considered solid going into the season. Flyers d-corps was considered deep and keeping players like Morin and Friedman (now a Penguin) out of the lineup. Flyers pivots were deep until they weren't. Not signing one of the 2 of Grant and Thompson seems to have hurt them a bit. I've never seen an entire team struggle like this before. Kevin Hayes looks uninterested, tired and slow. Giroux is wee and old so he can't keep performing miracles. Voracek looks old and like he's lost a step and there was never really any solid defense there to begin with. TK has been figured out by the league. Play him close and tough and not only will you nullify him you'll get him off his game even more and can probably draw calls for you team. Not sure why the GM and coaching staff are still here.

I'm not sure what to make of the Flyers anymore. The March Meltdown is easily one of the worst meltdowns in a single month from all of the Philadelphia area sports. Hart/Elliot tandem was considered solid going into the season. Flyers d-corps was considered deep and keeping players like Morin and Friedman (now a Penguin) out of the lineup. Flyers pivots were deep until they weren't. Not signing one of the 2 of Grant and Thompson seems to have hurt them a bit. I've never seen an entire team struggle like this before. Kevin Hayes looks uninterested, tired and slow. Giroux is wee and old so he can't keep performing miracles. Voracek looks old and like he's lost a step and there was never really any solid defense there to begin with. TK has been figured out by the league. Play him close and tough and not only will you nullify him you'll get him off his game even more and can probably draw calls for you team. Not sure why the GM and coaching staff are still here.
- Pixote Andolini

TK has been pretty good the last few games. Did those teams not get the message or have not been included in the team who have figured him out? Konecny has 13 points in the last 15 games.

For me, Marchand has basically become what I expected Mike Richards to ultimately be. Fair or not, that's my opinion based on what the organization sold to me from the day Richards was drafted.
IMO the majority of the Flyers' fan base would absolutely love Marchand if he played for them. That doesn't mean they would approve of or even be alright with the extra douchey things he's pulled over the years, but the majority of fans would certainly let those instances slide in exchange for everything else he brings. As a fan he's a fun villain to hate, but I'd welcome him on the Flyers any day

I am bolding your strange post and addressing the bolded points in order.

The only flaw a stat can have is that it is stems from an inaccurate sample set. This is clearly not such a case. It measures current performance, and ranks them, over a large # of games and large # of players.

1. To say a stat is bogus is a lot like saying the temperature is bogus. The temperature is what it is, but the speaker may not be what he thinks he is.
- PT21

No because the stats are meaningless. There are so many variables that arent involved which is why lesser skilled players are on this list.

2. I did not know Strome has moved to wing. Fine, add him to list of exclusions.

3. There are many not on that list who have taken their teams to cup. But they are on the downside of their career. As such, on current form, which is what the list measures, they are not included. At the time they were leading their teams to the cup, their form was different. Then, they would have been included.

Downside? If thats true why is Kopitar 7th among Centers in points? Schiefle is 4th among Centers and not listed. Backstrom is 8th, Pavelski is 12th, RoR at 13th..... This is what you consider downside?

4. I don't see what a guy on that list who is playing 2C has to do with it, with the same club or otherwise.

It has everything to do with it. Top line typically gets the tougher matchups. When Couturier is out on the ice, hes against the other teams top players. A guy like Kuznetsov doesnt get sent out to play against, McDavid, Matthews, Point ect. The reason why playing on the same team matters is because it means they arent in a #1 C spot elsewhere

5. Technically, you are correct. Note however though, by the same token, he might be 3C on some of these clubs (Pitt, ED, Toronto) and so on average, across the 8 clubs, he would not be 1C.

This is a dumb point..... Couturier is a 3rd C on a team with 2 Generational Centers? No sh*t! Thats like me turning around and saying Couts is great because on Columbus he would easily be the #1 C.......No one is saying Couturier is the best C in the world but he is a clear #1 C in the NHL.

My larger point (of which the stat was a supporting example) is that Couts is on external opinion, and on stats, not a top tier center. Therefore, he is not the type of center who leads you to a cup with this club.

This is EXACTLY why I pointed out all those players behind Couturier and no listed. You deny saying you wrote anything about your list proving Coots isnt a guy to lead you to a cup when you directly posted it right here! Like I said many players lower on that list, HAVE lead a team to a Stanley cup. This proves your list is irrelevant

Could Tampa win a cup with him as their 1c if point goes down? Sure they could, though their chances would be a lot less.

No their chances do not go down significantly. The fact you think Point is heads above Couturier is laughable.... Point has 33 points in 39 games compared to Couturier's 28 points in 27 games.

For me, Marchand has basically become what I expected Mike Richards to ultimately be. Fair or not, that's my opinion based on what the organization sold to me from the day Richards was drafted.
IMO the majority of the Flyers' fan base would absolutely love Marchand if he played for them. That doesn't mean they would approve of or even be alright with the extra douchey things he's pulled over the years, but the majority of fans would certainly let those instances slide in exchange for everything else he brings. As a fan he's a fun villain to hate, but I'd welcome him on the Flyers any day
- Big_E_88

I know what you are getting at here, but Richards was never a licker/agitator type guy. More of a straight up fighter in that regard.

As for style and performance, I agree. Scrappy, overachieving, big game, tremendous PKer - Richie promised all of that, but then leveled off, while Marchand delivered.

Best thing the flyers can do is wait for the summer. Then:

Resign couturier- 8 years -9 mill+
Resign clode - 4 years - 6 mill
Resign Laughton 5 years - 4 mill
Resign raffle and Elliott 1 year.

Then wait for the internal growth. When that happens they will be on their way.

Best thing the flyers can do is wait for the summer. Then:

Resign couturier- 8 years -9 mill+
Resign clode - 4 years - 6 mill
Resign Laughton 5 years - 4 mill
Resign raffle and Elliott 1 year.

Then wait for the internal growth. When that happens they will be on their way.
- login

awful moves. just awful. you need to draft and be patient. keep drafting. keep patienting. don't make a hyperbole move. as soon as they are well groomed to be studs you waive them immediately.

you're not very smart are you?

Best thing the flyers can do is wait for the summer. Then:

Resign couturier- 8 years -9 mill+
Resign clode - 4 years - 6 mill
Resign Laughton 5 years - 4 mill
Resign raffle and Elliott 1 year.

Then wait for the internal growth. When that happens they will be on their way.
- login

Then let's add another 2-3 years, to the 2-3 years that will come after waiting 2-3 years.

For me, Marchand has basically become what I expected Mike Richards to ultimately be. Fair or not, that's my opinion based on what the organization sold to me from the day Richards was drafted.
IMO the majority of the Flyers' fan base would absolutely love Marchand if he played for them. That doesn't mean they would approve of or even be alright with the extra douchey things he's pulled over the years, but the majority of fans would certainly let those instances slide in exchange for everything else he brings. As a fan he's a fun villain to hate, but I'd welcome him on the Flyers any day
- Big_E_88

Please don’t compare The Rat to Richards. Richards would scrap and defend himself against anyone. Marchand is a (frank)ing coward.

this MJL. account is pretty (frank)ing pathetic

Ahhhh, I see punctuation is key.

You almost had me, but you laid it on a little too thick

Then let's add another 2-3 years, to the 2-3 years that will come after waiting 2-3 years.
- Robert's Plant

Yes keep the band together. Laughton is a core player. It’s a no brainer to resign selke and clode is what I read on these boards.

Please don’t compare The Rat to Richards. Richards would scrap and defend himself against anyone. Marchand is a (frank)ing coward.
- arichardson22

That's very true, and I loved Richards for that. I was referring more to offensive production while playing a similar style. Cowardly rat antics aside.

this MJL. account is pretty (frank)ing pathetic
- KINGKENZO

pathetic and not funny

Who has that kind of time?

this MJL. account is pretty (frank)ing pathetic
- KINGKENZO

You're a gentleman with that comment.

You're a gentleman with that comment.
- Robert's Plant

name ill consider for an alt account:

Jimmy's Paige

name ill consider for an alt account:

Jimmy's Paige
- KINGKENZO

How about John's Bone-in-Ham? Too much?