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Season Ticket Holder
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Billings Spit, BC
Joined: 09.22.2019

Apr 9 @ 2:30 PM ET
I agree, I won't go into detail, as I have expressed my opinion about these players and the makep of this team, plenty of times and don't feel like upsetting the masses today.
- Reubenkincade


I'm looking forward to watching some Comets hockey tonight. It'll be nice to see them back in action. I'm pretty sure the points of discussion about this signing will get beaten to death without our participation.
WhiteLie
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Location: When youre 7 pages behind Dont bother catching up, you will never get that time back - Codes1087
Joined: 07.26.2010

Apr 9 @ 2:33 PM ET
"hometown discount" or deals like that are a thing the past. Players want to be paid. If you don't pay it, someone else will.
- manvanfan

All the power to them. I liked Taylor Hall taking a 1 year gamble on himself, even though it won't parlay into a big contract. I think more should do it, but it only reinforces that I wish Vancouver had a more cutthroat GM who was proactive in moving on from players
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Apr 9 @ 2:33 PM ET
not true at all. Anyone could pick 1-3 players on each team, where they are severely overpaid per their production. The variance is obviously how much they make compared to what they provide. The bigger comparison needs to be how many of these bad contracts each team has, compared to ours, and how they are doing in the standings compared to us.

Take Boston for example. Since 2011, they have remained extremely competitive, continued to draft well, and have a projected 29.5 million in cap space next season with the following players left to sign:

Krecji 7.25 mill (will probably let walk)
Nick Ritchie 1.49 (will probably give a slight raise)
Kuraly 1.275 (wil probably get a slight raise)
Blidh 700k (will let walk)
Kevan Miller 1.25 (will probably give a slight raise or let walk)
Kampfer 800k (will give a slight raise)
Tinordi 700k (will most likely let walk)

their core is signed to good, capfriendly long term deals outside of Coyle, and Debrusk, and they have a ton of cap space to continue to insulate that Core with complimentary deals. They continue to get value complimentary deals at reasonably low costs, where we are paying between 3mill and 4.5 mill to do the same thing, yet ours aren't providing that value (Beagle/Roussel/Sutter

- Codes1087[Sutter hasn't actually been bad this year, but its the last year of his 4 year contract where he sucked entirely up until now)

This was done before Chiapet gave McDavid a blank cheque. Post McDavid young stars all want to get paid. If Pastrnak signed after McDavid he would be at 10+m right now. But instead he signed after Mackinnon signed a deal that was AMAZING for Colorado and he was the outlier. Mackinnon is another guy that would be around 12m right now if he was signing an extention after McDavid. Those days of paying your stars less in RFA are over.
golfingsince
Location: This message is Marwood approved!
Joined: 11.30.2011

Apr 9 @ 2:34 PM ET
I think both at their ages are worth the gamble long term but I don't think JP Barry or the players want it. Draisaitl's contract looked questionable at first but now its arguably a bargain vs other top players. They can make more money on multiple contracts than locking in for 7-8 years
- WhiteLie

That's why I said six years. I think Matthews really reset the market when he took the shorter deal.
Retinalz
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Vancouver, BC
Joined: 01.31.2015

Apr 9 @ 2:36 PM ET
Largely I question the timing, not the player and not even the AAV. If you're 2 years away and Pearson is on a 3 year deal, how critical is he really? Is the team going all in on year 3? I think getting the Demko deal done was unanimously praised because of his role in the core and the window it created, even if it carried some risk.

It reminds me of last offseason where they spent time chasing OEL and ended up with a better, more affordable, Schmidt. I feel like the Pearson situation could have had that potential if they waited it out, but oh well

- WhiteLie

Depends on when that 2 years starts. If this is year 1, we have Pearson for 2 years of competitiveness. I think JB said that in regards to when LE, Beagle, Roussell and Luongo all expire and we get a surplus of cap space with young ELC's/Low Bridge Deals ready to jump in.
Marwood
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Apr 9 @ 2:44 PM ET
Nice numbers, but the guy is an idiot. Juolevi will easily slot beside Schmidt, Gaudette could easily be the 3RW and Podk on Bo's wing. Myers is not easily replaced, some nights he looks bad, but we are a better team with him and are not finding better in FA and nobody wants to spend the assets to get someone better. Pearson is probably 250k more than he should, but again not easily replaced and not for that kind of money. Ferland if he were healthy is not replacement level. Since Ferland is LTIR during the summer it really doesn't matter.
Hamonic will likely resign cheap and play with Hughes, he wants to stay out west for his daughter which limits options. Based on his numbers(and signing Hamonic) we have 5m to find a 3C and 4C via UFA or trade...not hard to do. This is also assuming Seattle doesn't like the idea of Holtby(good chance they take him over what ever else we have) and JV can be bought out give an extra 2.5m if we can't find a trade.

- Retinalz

Ferland signing had glaring red flags and Seattle is not taking Holtby. The writer is an idiot but with some valid points. This Pearson extension was the least pressing issue for the Canucks. I swear Benning did it because he thought it would be some kind of public relations coup. Now they have COVID as an excuse for a dumpster fire of a season. Yay!! Only 2 more years until they are competitive, according to the GM. What a joke. From we can turn this team around quickly to 7 years later, "we need 2 more years."
WhiteLie
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Apr 9 @ 2:46 PM ET
That's why I said six years. I think Matthews really reset the market when he took the shorter deal.
- golfingsince

Yeah thats probably their (the players) sweet spot, especially if it takes them to UFA at 28ish
Carol Schram
Joined: 09.27.2013

Apr 9 @ 2:49 PM ET
Freshly baked Canucks news, hot off this morning's presser, in the new blog.

Some clarity — still lots of questions to be answered in the days and weeks to come...

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...turn-still-TBA/194/110874
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Apr 9 @ 2:51 PM ET
All the power to them. I liked Taylor Hall taking a 1 year gamble on himself, even though it won't parlay into a big contract. I think more should do it, but it only reinforces that I wish Vancouver had a more cutthroat GM who was proactive in moving on from players
- WhiteLie

Who is the replacement though? The expectations are always that Jim is going to get the best deal and the best player in a trade and the team is going to win every game and every decision he is going to make is going to be a clear cut no doubt about it win.

WhiteLie
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Apr 9 @ 2:57 PM ET
Depends on when that 2 years starts. If this is year 1, we have Pearson for 2 years of competitiveness. I think JB said that in regards to when LE, Beagle, Roussell and Luongo all expire and we get a surplus of cap space with young ELC's/Low Bridge Deals ready to jump in.
- Retinalz

He said it in February, halfway through this season, where he still thought his team was going to make the playoffs, but also that this season was a throw away because of COVID. So I suspect this one doesn't count, but even if it does, thats your last year with Miller/Horvat and the first year of Boeser's new deal
Jkuzzi
Joined: 12.14.2016

Apr 9 @ 3:11 PM ET
You edited it and still couldn't spell ridiculous right? C'mon man.
- manvanfan


Nobody spells rediculous correct that would be rediculous
SlightlyOffside
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Ajax, ON
Joined: 01.25.2016

Apr 9 @ 3:22 PM ET
I believe so. The Pearson contract is fair. It just didn’t need to be signed now. Where was the urgency
- CanuckDon


Damn...here I am agreeing with you again
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