I don’t want ullmark here TBH.

For what’s he’s asking for he’s not proven.
- ImThatGuy

It’s not the way it works. In some cases it’s what you have done and in some cases it’s what you might do. In Ullmarks case it’s more of a might do but there are comparable contracts now of 5mil plus for a min of 3 years. He will get it somewhere.

It’s not the way it works. In some cases it’s what you have done and in some cases it’s what you might do. In Ullmarks case it’s more of a might do but there are comparable contracts now of 5mil plus for a min of 3 years. He will get it somewhere.
- Camel

Even with the durability concerns? The best ability is availability. He isn’t necessarily checking that box.

I still like him. I still bring him back. But I’m still at $4 ish. For 2-3 .... I might, MIGHT creep to $4.5. But that depends on if Okoposo suffers from raging jock itch and has to be ltir’d.

I also make a run at dereigder. Or maybe merzlykins. Because after his comments that’d be hilarious.

Trade risto.
Trade Miller.
Trade olofson
Fire Eakin into the sun.
Make a run at Savard.
Okposo with the raging jock itch, ltir
Bribe Seattle to stay away from the kids.
Samson, it depends on what he wants.
McCabe, probably time to move on.

I do have one hand firmly on the meatball bandwagon. With the caveat that he finds a seasoned offensive assistant to lean on and help with the pp.

And yes. I have eaten multiple servings of crow on mitts. And I’ll suffer down 2 servings on Tage currently.
Mitts. Tage. Asplund needs to stay together, call them the crow line...

Did I miss anything or will that get us closer to the playoffs?

Was thinking a strong finish might put him over 2m. Haven't really looked. Would think a lot depends on the term. Hopefully they can get off of 1 year deals and back to normal bridge deals.
- Lunaion

I feel like your estimates lately have been on the high side, maybe because it's difficult to factor in the flat cap.

I looked up Tage as a comparable, and there are a lot of similarities in terms of situation between the 2. Both were coming off their second season of eligibility towards UFA status, at almost the same age (22 going on 23).

Does Casey take the tall Tage deal? 3 years at between $1.5M - $1.8M per?

That would leave him with 2 years left before UFA status, just like Tage's deal.

It’s not the way it works. In some cases it’s what you have done and in some cases it’s what you might do. In Ullmarks case it’s more of a might do but there are comparable contracts now of 5mil plus for a min of 3 years. He will get it somewhere.
- Camel

If you think somebody is giving him $5M+ per for at least 3 seasons, let someone else make that mistake.

They don't have that option when the player is 1 year from UFA.
- Lunaion

I thought if the player asks for arbitration the team could ask the term.

That's where I am too. I think you know I'm a big Reinhart fan but unless Okposo or Skinner dissappear, it's hard to make the numbers work

And if Eichel is gone, there's no point keeping Sam
- jcragcrumple

For one time, just once, perhaps they could manage the team like other good teams do where they find a way to make the numbers work, meaning a way to offload Okposo.

I thought if the player asks for arbitration the team could ask the term.
- Buff36

Only when the player has more than one year left before becoming a UFA.

With Sam having the upcoming season as his final one before becoming a UFA, they don't have that option.

One year deal only if it goes to ARB, which it won't.

I dont think it's easy. If you can't get Reinhart for $7, you have to explore trading him at a high point point now that he's a "center."

I dont want the Sabres to dip their toes in free agency "a-tall" except for buy-low candidates like Rieder or Pouliot
- jcragcrumple

A buy low candidate that might actually be impactful like Verhaeghe would be best, but with how the young players are performing, should the organization really be blocking those players for yet another season by bringing in veterans?

Boy oh boy, I remember a lot of posters in here defecating all over Mittelstadt.
Look at the man now.🤙🏻
- Over50

All credit where it's due to Casey: He made the life and perspective change and began putting in the serious hard work. He deserves all the rewards he is getting for that.

Only when the player has more than one year left before becoming a UFA.

With Sam having the upcoming season as his final one before becoming a UFA, they don't have that option.

One year deal only if it goes to ARB, which it won't.
- kingcong39

Thanks 39, appreciate the info. Didn't see that.

Sabres have the opportunity to sign Their 1st bargain player to a long term contract
Do 3.5 for 5 never look back
- gerbe75pts

I wouldn't do that strictly because it walks him right to UFA status. So either go longer or shorter.

Thanks 39, appreciate the info. Didn't see that.
- Buff36

It is not easy to find the info and then parse through the wording to completely understand it.

Hope you're recovery is going well sir.

It is not easy to find the info and then parse through the wording to completely understand it.

Hope you're recovery is going well sir.
- kingcong39

I'm doin, didn't sleep much last night especially after the nerve block started wearing off.

Correct me if I'm wrong I believe he has arbitration rights? So we won't Be able to trade him for a year if awarded that deal .
- gerbe75pts

I don't believe the bold above is true.

There are no restrictions on trading arbitration players before or after the arbitration.

Some semi-related restrictions that do exist:

- Teams matching an offer sheet can't trade that player for a calendar year.
- When a team trades away a player while retaining salary that team cannot reacquire that player for a calendar year.
- A team cannot acquire a player with another team retaining salary if that player was on the acquiring team's Reserve List within the past calendar year.

Depends entirely on Dahlin. He could be right up there around 7... Joker at 3, Mitts 2.5m, McCabe 2.5m, Asplund 1.5m, Borgen 1.5m. We're at it without a few forwards and a backup goalie. Yeah, somethings gotta give.
- RhinoFan

I think your estimate is high on Jokiharju, Mittelstadt, Asplund, and Borgen. Maybe $2M - $2.5M combined on those 4.

I'm not happy it's sucks being wrong but we have another Danny Briere Situation again we burnt Our opportunity to sign him long term many times .
- gerbe75pts

Here's the fun talk:

With Reinhart now showing aptitude as a Center, and the duo of Cozens and Mittelstadt showing the same at Center, do you try and trade Reinhart for a quality winger with bite to his game like Tkachuk?

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/players/matthew-tkachuk

While quite a few would say yes to that deal in a second, it's far from easy when you factor in the cap and their contracts.

Tkachuk has the poison pill final season of his current deal QO built in of $9M, so you're either qualifying him for that amount or you're signing him to a big, long term deal that might cost more than it would to extend Reinhart.

It's not an easy decision at all.

Here's the fun talk:

With Reinhart now showing aptitude as a Center, and the duo of Cozens and Mittelstadt showing the same at Center, do you try and trade Reinhart for a quality winger with bite to his game like Tkachuk?

https://www.capfriendly.c...m/players/matthew-tkachuk

While quite a few would say yes to that deal in a second, it's far from easy when you factor in the cap and their contracts.

Tkachuk has the poison pill final season of his current deal QO built in of $9M, so you're either qualifying him for that amount or you're signing him to a big, long term deal that might cost more than it would to extend Reinhart.

It's not an easy decision at all.
- kingcong39

Sabres are in a really tough spot.

A center depth chart of Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens and Mitts, dare I say, has the makings of one of the best in the league. Most teams would be envious of that.

I have to think Skinner isn't going anywhere. The next coach will likely plant him on Jack's wing.

Depending on expansion, your other wingers/forwards are (in no particular order):

VO
Tage
Asplund
R2
Girgs
Okposo
Bjork
Eakin

(I left out the pending UFAs)

That's not nearly good enough, and in some cases, vomit-inducing.

With all the D seemingly ready, you could possibly trade Risto for a winger.

Do you trade Sam and hope that Cozens and Mitts can continue to develop?

Yikes.

Sabres are in a really tough spot.

A center depth chart of Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens and Mitts, dare I say, has the makings of one of the best in the league. Most teams would be envious of that.

I have to think Skinner isn't going anywhere. The next coach will likely plant him on Jack's wing.

Depending on expansion, your other wingers/forwards are (in no particular order):

VO
Tage
Asplund
R2
Girgs
Okposo
Bjork
Eakin

(I left out the pending UFAs)

That's not nearly good enough, and in some cases, vomit-inducing.

With all the D seemingly ready, you could possibly trade Risto for a winger.

Do you trade Sam and hope that Cozens and Mitts can continue to develop?

Yikes.
- Powerslave

Could Risto get you Iaffalo from LA or maybe Kupari

Sabres are in a really tough spot.

A center depth chart of Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens and Mitts, dare I say, has the makings of one of the best in the league. Most teams would be envious of that.

I have to think Skinner isn't going anywhere. The next coach will likely plant him on Jack's wing.

Depending on expansion, your other wingers/forwards are (in no particular order):

VO
Tage
Asplund
R2
Girgs
Okposo
Bjork
Eakin

(I left out the pending UFAs)

That's not nearly good enough, and in some cases, vomit-inducing.

With all the D seemingly ready, you could possibly trade Risto for a winger.

Do you trade Sam and hope that Cozens and Mitts can continue to develop?

Yikes.
- Powerslave

roll 4 lines and make the other teams chase all night long

of course no room for eakin or okposo if playing that upbeat system

Sabres are in a really tough spot.

A center depth chart of Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens and Mitts, dare I say, has the makings of one of the best in the league. Most teams would be envious of that.

I have to think Skinner isn't going anywhere. The next coach will likely plant him on Jack's wing.

Depending on expansion, your other wingers/forwards are (in no particular order):

VO
Tage
Asplund
R2
Girgs
Okposo
Bjork
Eakin

(I left out the pending UFAs)

That's not nearly good enough, and in some cases, vomit-inducing.

With all the D seemingly ready, you could possibly trade Risto for a winger.

Do you trade Sam and hope that Cozens and Mitts can continue to develop?

Yikes.
- Powerslave

I think we all agree on Eakin's worth.

Removing him, haven't all of Tage, Ruotsalainen, Bjork, and Asplund all looked good? That's 2 full lines worth right there.

Let's say they keep together the Asplund - Mittelstadt - Tage and Bjork - Cozens - Ruotsalainen lines.

What do you do with the following: Okposo, Girgensons, Olofsson, and Skinner?

I would call Vegas and see if they'd be willing to swap Reilly Smith for Ristolainen.

https://www.capfriendly.com/players/reilly-smith

Then you could go Skinner - Eichel - Smith and Olofsson - Reinhart - Girgensons/Okposo

I think that Reinhart line tells you to see if you can upgrade the wingers there.

Could Risto get you Iaffalo from LA or maybe Kupari
- Buff36

I think Risto/Iafallo is a very fair trade.

Someone pointed out that maybe they're not keen on trading him, as they just re-gsigned him.

Still need a top line RW.

roll 4 lines and make the other teams chase all night long

of course no room for eakin or okposo if playing that upbeat system
- homiedclown

Nice call homie, they have the makings to be able to do that. A couple tweaks and should be able to roll a fair amount of speed at teams.

I think Risto/Iafallo is a very fair trade.

Someone pointed out that maybe they're not keen on trading him, as they just re-gsigned him.

Still need a top line RW.
- Powerslave

Those are really expensive and Eichel is excellent. I wouldn't overspend there.

Nice call homie, they have the makings to be able to do that. A couple tweaks and should be able to roll a fair amount of speed at teams.
- Buff36

All of a sudden, the team now has a number of plus shooters too, which seems to have come out of nowhere.

Sabres are in a really tough spot.

A center depth chart of Eichel, Reinhart, Cozens and Mitts, dare I say, has the makings of one of the best in the league. Most teams would be envious of that.

I have to think Skinner isn't going anywhere. The next coach will likely plant him on Jack's wing.

Depending on expansion, your other wingers/forwards are (in no particular order):

VO
Tage
Asplund
R2
Girgs
Okposo
Bjork
Eakin

(I left out the pending UFAs)

That's not nearly good enough, and in some cases, vomit-inducing.

With all the D seemingly ready, you could possibly trade Risto for a winger.

Do you trade Sam and hope that Cozens and Mitts can continue to develop?

Yikes.
- Powerslave

So what can we build with this?

Skinner. Jack. Samson.
Bjork. Cozens. RW #2
Asplund Mitts. Tage.
Grigs. R2. RW #4


VO - trade.
Okposo - jock itch.
Eakin - fire into sun.

Does VO/Risto trade get you a 2RW?

I know everyone is Gaga over Samson center... but we don’t have the RW depth to afford that luxury. We have seen what
Jeff-jack-Sam can do... you go back to that in a meatball system and hopefully find that lightening again.