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way out west
Joined: 12.30.2008

May 3 @ 2:29 PM ET
True.

I saw in Quinn's presser after last game he touched on something that has been batted around on here:
Something to the effect of, if these guys need a coach to get them pumped up for a game against the Islanders, we have major problems.
That leads me to believe that those of us saying the players need to shoulder blame for the sleepy starts may have merit to our argument.

- Tonybere

But he takes no blame for not putting a plan together to beat the islanders. Because they -layer the same way both games. Both players and coaches have to take blame on the last few games.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 3 @ 2:30 PM ET
But he takes no blame for not putting a plan together to beat the islanders. Because they -layer the same way both games. Both players and coaches have to take blame on the last few games.
- way out west


there's definitely a few players who played like they didnt want to get the jersey dirty of late


SkjeiStadium
New York Rangers
Joined: 03.09.2017

May 3 @ 2:36 PM ET
You know my issues with Quinn. I’m not as steadfast as most are. I just don’t like how for eons in sports when a team is flat, the coach gets blamed for that. Now the Rangers coach is somehow teflon to this type of criticism? at least adjust after the first period. Do something. Those last two games were the worst all season, Quinn is not immune to fault in those two games. Which ultimately cost them a playoff spot
- Slimtj100

That's fair I just don't like the notion that those 2 games cost them the playoffs. They were what ultimately put the nail in the coffin but they had much more winnable games earlier in the season that they blew which really is what cost them in my eyes. Still can't get shutout four times against the Islanders but I think those games are getting blown out of proportion in the grand scheme of the whole season.
nyrangers2
Joined: 07.09.2009

May 3 @ 2:36 PM ET
there's definitely a few players who played like they didnt want to get the jersey dirty of late
- jimbro83



In both isles games you just knew Panarin, Zib, Buch were going to skate down the side put on the brakes and try to make quick pass to the middle that would go for a turnover instead of cutting to the middle for a shot themselves
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 3 @ 2:43 PM ET
That's fair I just don't like the notion that those 2 games cost them the playoffs. They were what ultimately put the nail in the coffin but they had much more winnable games earlier in the season that they blew which really is what cost them in my eyes. Still can't get shutout four times against the Islanders but I think those games are getting blown out of proportion in the grand scheme of the whole season.
- SkjeiStadium


To me, the biggest gripe against Quinn is adjusting. You get shutout 4 times vs any opponent, you obviously made no real attempt to change it up. All 4 games were replicas of the previous one. Isles didn’t have to change a thing
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 3 @ 2:43 PM ET
In both isles games you just knew Panarin, Zib, Buch were going to skate down the side put on the brakes and try to make quick pass to the middle that would go for a turnover instead of cutting to the middle for a shot themselves
- nyrangers2


Strome too
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 3 @ 2:43 PM ET
To me, the biggest gripe against Quinn is adjusting. You get shutout 4 times vs any opponent, you obviously made no real attempt to change it up. All 4 games were replicas of the previous one. Isles didn’t have to change a thing
- Slimtj100


but then he gets ripped to shreds when he changes the lines around
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

May 3 @ 2:50 PM ET
but then he gets ripped to shreds when he changes the lines around
- jimbro83


The question I have is why now? We played quite well against the Caps in previous games whether we won or lost.

After getting shut out the first 2 times against the Isles, what makes you think "oh, lets try this again and see what happens?" AND THEN YOU GET SHUT OUT AGAIN. Yet still roll the same game plan out for a 4th time. I mean, come on.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 3 @ 2:53 PM ET
The question I have is why now? We played quite well against the Caps in previous games whether we won or lost.

After getting shut out the first 2 times against the Isles, what makes you think "oh, lets try this again and see what happens?" AND THEN YOU GET SHUT OUT AGAIN. Yet still roll the same game plan out for a 4th time. I mean, come on.

- aecliptic


I think it's pretty obvious there isn't anything Quinn can do to get people to approve

what i would suggest to him though is top stop being so honest to the media
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

May 3 @ 2:57 PM ET
I think it's pretty obvious there isn't anything Quinn can do to get people to approve

what i would suggest to him though is top stop being so honest to the media

- jimbro83


I think we will see in the off-season which side the management goes with based on player decisions.
Bean_Dip
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 09.30.2015

May 3 @ 3:04 PM ET
I almost wish they'd fire Quinn so we can stop having these conversations. They're so boring.

Another coach will come in, he'll have his own issues, people won't stfu about it, and will want them gone too.

Wash, rinse, repeat until a cup is brought to Broadway...
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

May 3 @ 3:08 PM ET
Only way I am firing Quinn is if somehow or someway Rod Brindamore and the Canes can't agree to a contract.

He becomes available, I hope Gorton helps Quinn pack his bags.
Bean_Dip
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 09.30.2015

May 3 @ 3:10 PM ET
Only way I am firing Quinn is if somehow or someway Rod Brindamore and the Canes can't agree to a contract.

He becomes available, I hope Gorton helps Quinn pack his bags.

- TPC

I can picture it already: Yeah, he's winning games but his bod isn't as great as everyone made it out to be.
Slimtj100
New York Rangers
Location: Panarins NYC apt
Joined: 03.04.2013

May 3 @ 3:10 PM ET
Only way I am firing Quinn is if somehow or someway Rod Brindamore and the Canes can't agree to a contract.

He becomes available, I hope Gorton helps Quinn pack his bags.

- TPC

I would be ok with Gallant. Idk if something is up there tho, stunned he hasn’t gotten hired again yet
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

May 3 @ 3:15 PM ET
I would be ok with Gallant. Idk if something is up there tho, stunned he hasn’t gotten hired again yet
- Slimtj100

I am sure Seattle will...he seems like the new franchise guy
TPC
New York Rangers
Location: Bucks County, PA
Joined: 01.18.2008

May 3 @ 3:15 PM ET
I can picture it already: Yeah, he's winning games but his bod isn't as great as everyone made it out to be.
- Bean_Dip

aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

May 3 @ 3:19 PM ET
Only way I am firing Quinn is if somehow or someway Rod Brindamore and the Canes can't agree to a contract.

He becomes available, I hope Gorton helps Quinn pack his bags.

- TPC


Can you imagine... 18,000 people at MSG chanting "Rod the Bod" "Rod the Bod"
Bean_Dip
New York Rangers
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 09.30.2015

May 3 @ 3:35 PM ET
Can you imagine... 18,000 people at MSG chanting "Rod the Bod" "Rod the Bod"
- aecliptic

Can you imagine....7 people on HockeyBuzz chanting "Win, Quinn, Win" cause, you know, his success is perfectly correlated with the success of the New York Rangers.

Too farfetched of an idea, tbh.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

May 3 @ 3:57 PM ET
People have this personal attachment to David Quinn like were trying to fire your uncle or some crap. They take it so deeply personal if were at a disagreement on things.

- Ive said from the day he got hired that I wasnt sure if hes the right coach for this team. The development of this defense has been quite impressive, but Ill defer a good portion of that to Jacques Martin because thats why he was brought in.
- Ive said numerous times that it seemed like there was a clear disconnect between players on the ice. Where everyone is kind of doing their own thing. Some guys might be trying to play Quinn's style and others the fancy style and it doesnt mesh. Maybe the impasse between coach and players is real, Ill take it with a grain of salt.
- As for the scoring successes we do have, you can google how many times Ive said... it feels like their scoring despite whatever Quinn is telling them.
- It doesnt feel like he has this team by the balls. I believe in a coach there needs to be a healthy respect but also some fear. I dont think they fear him one bit.

Am I against him coming back, not necessarily, Id like for him to have a full year to prove me wrong. However if Brind'Amour is available, Im on that train.
SkjeiStadium
New York Rangers
Joined: 03.09.2017

May 3 @ 4:08 PM ET
The question I have is why now? We played quite well against the Caps in previous games whether we won or lost.

After getting shut out the first 2 times against the Isles, what makes you think "oh, lets try this again and see what happens?" AND THEN YOU GET SHUT OUT AGAIN. Yet still roll the same game plan out for a 4th time. I mean, come on.

- aecliptic

I think the why now is because we're currently without Kreider, Trouba and Lindgren which we weren't previously.

Also, the team was 7-2-1 going into the first Islanders game. I get that they hadn't played well against them in particular, even over that stretch, but it's hard to argue that the coach should shake up lines while the team is rolling like that. I agree he could've adjusted after the first period but then he gets grief for "putting the lines in a blender."

Going into the second game we were down even more players, with one kid playing his first game, another playing his second, and a third playing his 6th game or so in Jones. Kravtsov had more games than three guys combined and that was his 16th game. You can only shake up lines so much when you have so many players you're trying to shelter and still trying to win.
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

May 3 @ 4:18 PM ET
I think the why now is because we're currently without Kreider, Trouba and Lindgren which we weren't previously.

Also, the team was 7-2-1 going into the first Islanders game. I get that they hadn't played well against them in particular, even over that stretch, but it's hard to argue that the coach should shake up lines while the team is rolling like that. I agree he could've adjusted after the first period but then he gets grief for "putting the lines in a blender."

Going into the second game we were down even more players, with one kid playing his first game, another playing his second, and a third playing his 6th game or so in Jones. Kravtsov had more games than three guys combined and that was his 16th game. You can only shake up lines so much when you have so many players you're trying to shelter and still trying to win.

- SkjeiStadium


But thats the whole point, who cares that I dont like the "blender" option. Atleast go in with a plan knowing that historically the team hasnt faired well against them. Youve gotta say "ok, hold up, lets regroup", lets give them a different look and see what happens. You dont just leave things as is go into intermission and give the same old tiring speech. "Ok boys, lets play more north south, lets beat them to the corners and dirty areas". Blow that game and then run the same lineup out with plug and play guys cause of injuries and give the same speech AGAIN! If you pull up Quinn's sleeves, hes got nothing under them.
Tonybere
New York Rangers
Location: ON
Joined: 02.04.2016

May 3 @ 4:48 PM ET
But he takes no blame for not putting a plan together to beat the islanders. Because they -layer the same way both games. Both players and coaches have to take blame on the last few games.
- way out west


And that is completely fair.
jimbro83
New York Rangers
Location: Lets Go Rangers!, NY
Joined: 12.25.2009

May 3 @ 4:58 PM ET
People have this personal attachment to David Quinn like were trying to fire your uncle or some crap. They take it so deeply personal if were at a disagreement on things.

- Ive said from the day he got hired that I wasnt sure if hes the right coach for this team. The development of this defense has been quite impressive, but Ill defer a good portion of that to Jacques Martin because thats why he was brought in.
- Ive said numerous times that it seemed like there was a clear disconnect between players on the ice. Where everyone is kind of doing their own thing. Some guys might be trying to play Quinn's style and others the fancy style and it doesnt mesh. Maybe the impasse between coach and players is real, Ill take it with a grain of salt.
- As for the scoring successes we do have, you can google how many times Ive said... it feels like their scoring despite whatever Quinn is telling them.
- It doesnt feel like he has this team by the balls. I believe in a coach there needs to be a healthy respect but also some fear. I dont think they fear him one bit.

Am I against him coming back, not necessarily, Id like for him to have a full year to prove me wrong. However if Brind'Amour is available, Im on that train.

- aecliptic


I just don't think it's fair for this season to cost him his job

a season where management is at fault for 14 million of the cap used on buyouts, close to another 4 million pissed away on Tony D, the youngest roster in the league, the Tony D situation, Zibianjed getting Covid and turning into Brian Lawton for the first half of the season, Panarin having to hide from Putin for 3 weeks

and they still finished 5th when most people projected them to finish 6th

he should get another crack at a normal NHL season
aecliptic
New York Rangers
Location: Stacheville
Joined: 06.17.2010

May 3 @ 5:03 PM ET
I just don't think it's fair for this season to cost him his job

a season where management is at fault for 14 million of the cap used on buyouts, close to another 4 million pissed away on Tony D, the youngest roster in the league, the Tony D situation, Zibianjed getting Covid and turning into Brian Lawton for the first half of the season, Panarin having to hide from Putin for 3 weeks

and they still finished 5th when most people projected them to finish 6th

he should get another crack at a normal NHL season

- jimbro83


My concern is this, lets say next year we get another up and down year of inconsistency, maybe a playoff birth but another early elimination. Who are we hiring? What if theres no market for coaching next year?
nyrangers9479
New York Rangers
Joined: 11.08.2013

May 3 @ 5:20 PM ET
You know how you get guys to stop playing east west? Add some north south guys into the lineup and onto their lines. We have a roster full of high skill but soft-ish players. Need to have a balance of both skill and physicality
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