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bird_dog_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 07.05.2011

May 3 @ 10:27 PM ET
Go jerk off man you’re scaring everyone
- ClaudeFather

Am I triggering people? Good!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 3 @ 10:28 PM ET
Am I triggering people? Good!
- bird_dog_pa

Go put a mask on
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 3 @ 10:31 PM ET
Ok brainiac what kind of doctor are you? Do you work in a field designing or servicing HVAC units?
When plenty of doctors with extensive and impressive credentials say they don’t work and do more harm than good then I will make a decision best suited for me and my family.

- bird_dog_pa


It’s not just “about you and your family” and my wife is a rn brainiac. Obviously ventilation and many other things contribute to many things not only Covid. That’s not the point. Do you teach your kids to wash their hands before they eat? Do you? Americans have become extremely lazy with basic cleanliness. These doctors you claim say mask don’t work always add in other factors. Sanitation ventilation blah blah blah. Why do you think when operating they sterilize and wear MASK? Again for those in the back MASK HELP. Lockdowns and all the other crap is a different issue. And I agree it was political move and bs. Sorry but it’s infuriating when people go to “my decision for me and MY family” it’s not all about you or me or any one person. My brother is a twit that talk exactly like you are talking. His son school just went to full in school again. His son got sick. He female doged. Saying parents shouldn’t send kids to school sick... I told him they do what’s best for them. (frank) you and your family how’s it feel. Of course he got pissed. Just told we’ll see how stupid it sounds. He just said yeah I see what you mean
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 3 @ 10:33 PM ET
Fake news... who cares about ppg? When did those points come? And sure if you want to say things like well defensively than sure coots ranks much higher than mcdavid. Would you take coots over mcdavid? It’s an overall all together comparison. Surely it’s been established and undeniable coots is extremely good defensively. It’s the offensive as far as clutch. And you’re conviently using this year only stay. Mika 2 games with 6 points in each against us. When’s last time coots put up 6 points in a game? Twice? In a 2 week period? I can see debating a player like couture or seguin or something but Bergy? Really ? How many cups? How many selke? And you’d rather have coots? Said nobody ever
- SMS4016




Do you even know how much nonsense you just spewed right now.......

Who cares about PPG? Thats how you judge offense. Conveniently using THIS YEAR? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Couturiers last 4 Years:

2017-18: 76 Points in 82 Games - 0.926 PPG
2018-19: 76 Points in 80 Games - 0.950 PPG
2019-20: 59 Points in 69 Games - 0. 855 PPG
2020-21: 37 Points in 41 Games - 0.902 PPG

Clearly he is an offensive player.

Zibanejad got 6 points against us twice? That doesnt make him better. He put up points against a team struggling to keep pucks out of our net. Notice how he never got close to that playing ANYONE ELSE? Without those 2 Games you are taking away 12 points from Zibanejad. 48-12 = 36 points in 51 games.

You want to talk about where your points come from? How come Zibanejad is excused? Couturier never put up 6 points a game is a good thing, it means his production is a lot more consistent. He isnt just having a couple big games than disappearing.

Bergeron has 1 Cup and I can tell you 100% he didnt win that alone. He was a team that consisted of:

Milan Lucic-David Krejci-Rich Peverley
Brad Marchand-Patrice Bergeron-Mark Recchi
Michael Ryder-Chris Kelly-Tyler Seguin
Daniel Paille-Gregory Campbell-Shawn Thornton

Defense
Zdeno Chara-Dennis Seidenberg
Andrew Ference-Johnny Boychuk
Tomas Kaberle-Adam McQuaid

Goalies
Tim Thomas
Tuukka Rask

You Put Couturier in that lineup instead of Bergeron and he wins a cup too.

And Yes McDavid is not Comparable. He's better than EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE NHL. Guess what 30 Teams dont have a Center they'd take over McDavid. Guess what else? He has no Cups too. He's also only been to the Playoffs 3/6 years. Clearly theres more to Hockey than having the best player in the league.

SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 3 @ 10:34 PM ET
Your list works against your point.......

Barkov 54 points in 47 games - 1.148 Point Percentage
Scheifele 55 points in 51 Games - 1.078 Point Percentage
Backstrom 51 points in 51 games - 1.0 Point Percentage
Aho 51 points in 52 games - 0.980 Point Percentage
RoR 48 points in 49 games - 0.979 Point Percentage
Kopitar 47 points in 49 games - 0.959 Point Percentage
Couturier 37 points in 41 games - 0.902
Point 46 points in 52 Games - 0.884 Point Percentage
Zibanejad 46 points in 52 games - 0.884 Point Percentage
Bergeron 43 points in 49 games - 0.877 Point Percentage
Eichel 18 points in 21 games - 0.857 Point Percentage
Barzal 41 points in 51 games - 0.803 Point Percentage

How does he not compare?

McDavid, Crosby, Matthews and Mackinnon are generation players. They shouldnt even be listed.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Oh c’mon. I don’t care what the numbers say, you want Eichel and Barzel over Couturier.
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 3 @ 10:37 PM ET
Typical mouth breather. It’s not even worth explaining anything to you.
Surgeons don’t wear masks to prevent viral transmission instead to keep respiratory droplets from dropping into exposed tissue etc.
You, must comply be a good comrade wear a mask don’t ask questions. Mask your toddlers and children.
Mask up while you jog, mask up while alone on a beach on a blustery day.
If it makes you feel better then wear a mask.

- bird_dog_pa


LOL What? They wear masks, wash and Sterilize to prevent Contamination in on open wound\Cut. Saliva and Mucus are things that can cause contamination. Guess what, those are where Viruses are too.
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 3 @ 10:38 PM ET
If anything this helped people be more aware to keep their hands away from their faces and to keep their hands clean.
Actually cleaning things such as door handles etc help.
I haven’t been sick in a long time and I’m not what I would call young.
I don’t get a flu shot and somehow I don’t get the flu.
Just about everything the government said we should do was wrong.
Yet let’s keep doing things that don’t work just to make people feel better.

- bird_dog_pa


Unfortunately along with basic hygiene and cleanliness there is many things that can and should be done for the health of a nation. Ventilation is huge. Thing of everywhere you go. Mostly poor ventilation or not really cleaned properly. Isn’t it nice to see at a restaurant them actually clean the damn table you’re about to eat at instead of just a quick wipe it off. Of course cost and time become a factor to ventilate and clean properly so more than likely it will go back to how it was. Like you said maybe people have learne to at least wash their hands. Pretty low bar in the grand scheme of things if you ask me. Sadly
xShoot4WarAmpsx
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hamilton, ON
Joined: 06.25.2010

May 3 @ 10:42 PM ET
Oh c’mon. I don’t care what the numbers say, you want Eichel and Barzel over Couturier.
- SuperSchennBros


Its not to say he's better than any player its to prove he's comparable. I would 100% take Coots over Barzal. Eichel Im more open too, hes 100% better offensively but I dont think he has what it takes to lead a team to a cup. He's still really young though so he has plenty of time to change my mind. His defensive game leaves a lot to be desired. Id take Bergeron over Eichel too.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

May 3 @ 10:44 PM ET
7 goals
45 shots

Patrick 0 points, 0 shots.

Could there be a bigger bust/slug?

- PLindbergh31


Go figure..

Flyers win by a large amount and you have your female dog comments lined up.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 3 @ 10:48 PM ET
Its not to say he's better than any player its to prove he's comparable. I would 100% take Coots over Barzal. Eichel Im more open too, hes 100% better offensively but I dont think he has what it takes to lead a team to a cup. He's still really young though so he has plenty of time to change my mind. His defensive game leaves a lot to be desired. Id take Bergeron over Eichel too.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Here’s the issue. Couturier and Bergeron are clearly the better two way centers but Coots is knocking on 30, while Bergeron is in his mid 30’s. Barzel’s career has just begun, while Eichel is already great and has ten plus years in this league coming.
CRUSH IT LIKE ME
Location: Give me 20 of Kunitz vs 20 girouxs
Joined: 04.25.2021

May 3 @ 10:52 PM ET
couts 18-2 on faceoffs
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 3 @ 10:54 PM ET


Why is he fishy? As far as hedge fund guys go, he is well above normal.

he is quite a funny guy in a dorky kinda way. One time, Mets fans asked him to bring Billy Joel to the stadium, and he tweeted asking which position they would have Billy play.

I enjoyed MU fans trashing the Glazers a couple of days ago.

- PT21



he has not paid his FAIR SHARE!!!

Rich people are evil and fishy by nature -- how do you accumulate wealth and not share it with thos who need it, and more importantly, do not deserve others people money?
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 3 @ 10:56 PM ET
Yeah, and?
The guy is right. When you sign a guy for 7 years and 50 million and he’s playing poorly in year 2, that’s a problem. Having the 2nd OA pick from just 4 years ago playing like a 4th liner is perhaps even worse.

- BiggE



DO NOT QUESTION -- It is not your place. Bow your head and tow the line -- please and thank you
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 3 @ 10:58 PM ET
Now you guys decide to show up. Clowns
- hereticpride

SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 3 @ 10:59 PM ET
Do you even know how much nonsense you just spewed right now.......

Who cares about PPG? Thats how you judge offense. Conveniently using THIS YEAR? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Couturiers last 4 Years:

2017-18: 76 Points in 82 Games - 0.926 PPG
2018-19: 76 Points in 80 Games - 0.950 PPG
2019-20: 59 Points in 69 Games - 0. 855 PPG
2020-21: 37 Points in 41 Games - 0.902 PPG

Clearly he is an offensive player.

Zibanejad got 6 points against us twice? That doesnt make him better. He put up points against a team struggling to keep pucks out of our net. Notice how he never got close to that playing ANYONE ELSE? Without those 2 Games you are taking away 12 points from Zibanejad. 48-12 = 36 points in 51 games.

You want to talk about where your points come from? How come Zibanejad is excused? Couturier never put up 6 points a game is a good thing, it means his production is a lot more consistent. He isnt just having a couple big games than disappearing.

Bergeron has 1 Cup and I can tell you 100% he didnt win that alone. He was a team that consisted of:

Milan Lucic-David Krejci-Rich Peverley
Brad Marchand-Patrice Bergeron-Mark Recchi
Michael Ryder-Chris Kelly-Tyler Seguin
Daniel Paille-Gregory Campbell-Shawn Thornton

Defense
Zdeno Chara-Dennis Seidenberg
Andrew Ference-Johnny Boychuk
Tomas Kaberle-Adam McQuaid

Goalies
Tim Thomas
Tuukka Rask

You Put Couturier in that lineup instead of Bergeron and he wins a cup too.

And Yes McDavid is not Comparable. He's better than EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE NHL. Guess what 30 Teams dont have a Center they'd take over McDavid. Guess what else? He has no Cups too. He's also only been to the Playoffs 3/6 years. Clearly theres more to Hockey than having the best player in the league.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Coots average 17 goals a year. 2 30 goal seasons. Mika already a 40. Coots with established g Jake on wings. Mika who? Even if you want to remove Mika so what. You’re nuts if you take coots over Bergy. Even if you take him off list the point is already made. Coots is average middle of the pack 1c put another way here’s your 1-2


Coots
Hayes

Now pick any of the players I listed and slot them with coots at 2c for example

Shifelle
Coots

Eichel
Coots

Aho
Coots

Crosby
Coots


Point
Coots

See the difference once coots slotted right
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 3 @ 11:00 PM ET
Its not to say he's better than any player its to prove he's comparable. I would 100% take Coots over Barzal. Eichel Im more open too, hes 100% better offensively but I dont think he has what it takes to lead a team to a cup. He's still really young though so he has plenty of time to change my mind. His defensive game leaves a lot to be desired. Id take Bergeron over Eichel too.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


Obviously you didn’t watch round 2 playoffs last year. Barzal made coots and philly his female dog
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 3 @ 11:01 PM ET
The Flyers season series success against the Penguins shows how much they have underachieved this year. Going through the motions with zero effort and no compete. Sad.
- PLindbergh31



Sad thing is someone (cliff, cough cough) will look at the effort tonight and think only tweaks will need to be made next season to compete
corduroy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: “How many times is she gonna ask this f'n question?”, NT
Joined: 12.09.2006

May 3 @ 11:07 PM ET
Am I triggering people? Good!
- bird_dog_pa


SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 3 @ 11:07 PM ET
Do you even know how much nonsense you just spewed right now.......

Who cares about PPG? Thats how you judge offense. Conveniently using THIS YEAR? ARE YOU SERIOUS?

Couturiers last 4 Years:

2017-18: 76 Points in 82 Games - 0.926 PPG
2018-19: 76 Points in 80 Games - 0.950 PPG
2019-20: 59 Points in 69 Games - 0. 855 PPG
2020-21: 37 Points in 41 Games - 0.902 PPG

Clearly he is an offensive player.

Zibanejad got 6 points against us twice? That doesnt make him better. He put up points against a team struggling to keep pucks out of our net. Notice how he never got close to that playing ANYONE ELSE? Without those 2 Games you are taking away 12 points from Zibanejad. 48-12 = 36 points in 51 games.

You want to talk about where your points come from? How come Zibanejad is excused? Couturier never put up 6 points a game is a good thing, it means his production is a lot more consistent. He isnt just having a couple big games than disappearing.

Bergeron has 1 Cup and I can tell you 100% he didnt win that alone. He was a team that consisted of:

Milan Lucic-David Krejci-Rich Peverley
Brad Marchand-Patrice Bergeron-Mark Recchi
Michael Ryder-Chris Kelly-Tyler Seguin
Daniel Paille-Gregory Campbell-Shawn Thornton

Defense
Zdeno Chara-Dennis Seidenberg
Andrew Ference-Johnny Boychuk
Tomas Kaberle-Adam McQuaid

Goalies
Tim Thomas
Tuukka Rask

You Put Couturier in that lineup instead of Bergeron and he wins a cup too.

And Yes McDavid is not Comparable. He's better than EVERY SINGLE PLAYER IN THE NHL. Guess what 30 Teams dont have a Center they'd take over McDavid. Guess what else? He has no Cups too. He's also only been to the Playoffs 3/6 years. Clearly theres more to Hockey than having the best player in the league.

- xShoot4WarAmpsx



Let me try putting it this way.. coots career year is a 31 goal 76 point season. That’s his ceiling. Maybe a big maybe maybe maybe maybe slightly better. Say he gets to point a game. 82 points.


Mika had 12 points in 2 games alone. And has a 40 goal season under his belt. Who has the better chance at 90 or 100 point season?
SMS4016
Joined: 01.27.2011

May 3 @ 11:09 PM ET
Let me try putting it this way.. coots career year is a 31 goal 76 point season. That’s his ceiling. Maybe a big maybe maybe maybe maybe slightly better. Say he gets to point a game. 82 points.


Mika had 12 points in 2 games alone. And has a 40 goal season under his belt. Who has the better chance at 90 or 100 point season?

- SMS4016



And again even if you take him off the list. He’s still... never mind 12 points in 2 games. Coots needs a month to get that. Let that sink in for a bit
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

May 4 @ 12:07 AM ET
Oh c’mon. I don’t care what the numbers say, you want Eichel and Barzel over Couturier.
- SuperSchennBros


You do? Who is the better all-around center? Couturier. Does Barzal produce significantly more points than Couturier? No, actually Couturier produces slightly less. Barzal is the fancier stick handler and the flashier playmaker. Doesn't make him the better hockey player.

2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 4 @ 12:09 AM ET
You do? Who is the better all-around center? Couturier. Does Barzal produce significantly more points than Couturier? No, actually Couturier produces slightly less. Barzal is the fancier stick handler and the flashier playmaker. Doesn't make him the better hockey player.
- bmeltzer

yes it does cause scoring goals or fighting is all the matters in hockey
therabbi
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ann Arbor, MI
Joined: 10.14.2020

May 4 @ 1:17 AM ET
That game was like the end of a terrifying nightmare...could it be that I'll wake up and we're in the playoffs?
- DANCER


"You see? We're really pretty good. Now keep that thought while we go play golf."
Hesh_
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.29.2013

May 4 @ 4:14 AM ET
yes it does cause scoring goals or fighting is all the matters in hockey
- 2Real

MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

May 4 @ 6:48 AM ET
Its not to say he's better than any player its to prove he's comparable. I would 100% take Coots over Barzal. Eichel Im more open too, hes 100% better offensively but I dont think he has what it takes to lead a team to a cup. He's still really young though so he has plenty of time to change my mind. His defensive game leaves a lot to be desired. Id take Bergeron over Eichel too.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx


He is better, but he not 100% better. I have already posted the stats numerous times to show this.
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