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Dan Wallace
Joined: 09.15.2005

May 8 @ 5:27 PM ET
Dan Wallace: Parise A Healthy Scratch Again
WayneZ
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New Jersey Devils
Location: Forget points, show me the advanced statistics, VA
Joined: 01.28.2008

May 8 @ 5:59 PM ET
There is a contract that isn't aging well.
Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

May 8 @ 6:22 PM ET
No surprise the Wild are on a mission and moving forward nicely, Parise Is at the end and no longer valuable, That's reality and business comes first.
bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

May 8 @ 8:43 PM ET
No surprise the Wild are on a mission and moving forward nicely, Parise Is at the end and no longer valuable, That's reality and business comes first.
- Shady1962


He's nowhere near the end of his contract!!!! Tho I feel it has become commonplace to "retire" on LTIR which may happen in the next year or so. Especially if he feels he is weighing his team down.
Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

May 8 @ 10:41 PM ET
Class all the way to Ryan Miller, Great to see his parents at the game and classy applause by the Wild fans and players after the game.
MNHawksfan
Joined: 05.17.2015

May 9 @ 10:02 PM ET
While Colorado I feel would be a better series, with the dominance over Vegas, that might be the way to go first.
MNHawksfan
Joined: 05.17.2015

May 9 @ 10:03 PM ET
I wonder if more is going on with Parise. Going from a 1st line player to playing 8mn a night. If there's a way out of that contract the additional cap space could be a huge benefit to the WILD!
MnGump
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Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

May 10 @ 10:45 AM ET
No surprise the Wild are on a mission and moving forward nicely, Parise Is at the end and no longer valuable, That's reality and business comes first.
- Shady1962

Parise is getting old, yes we're all aware of this. But to make a statement that he's "no longer valuable", is pretty ignorant. I'm not a Parise bobo by any stretch, but that's just stupid to say he's no longer valuable. Is his contract ridiculous? Obviously, but that's what the organization signed up for when they decided to sign the 2 biggest free agents available back in 2012.

We all knew the days of "old Zach" would be here at some point and yes it does appear as though they have arrived. But to have a depth player of Parise's caliber is pretty nice IMO.. Although his speed and skill have waned a lot, his compete level is still as high as any on the squad.

Unfortunately for Zach, he's likely got 4 years left to languish on the 4th line and broadcast booth. With guys like Boldy waiting in the wings, i think it's safe to assume Parise IS no longer an integral piece of the Wild future success.

I think it would behoove him to waive his NM clause and hope Seattle would pick him up or at the very least allow the Wild to trade him, because i guarantee he has plenty of value to some other organizations out there.

bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

May 10 @ 11:07 AM ET
I wonder if more is going on with Parise. Going from a 1st line player to playing 8mn a night. If there's a way out of that contract the additional cap space could be a huge benefit to the WILD!
- MNHawksfan


My guess is he will "retire" via LTIR, like Boychuk/Seabrook/Steen etc.......
It is a move that is becoming suspect, as most players were clearly inked to ridicules contracts that everybody knew they couldn't honor.

On the flip side, what Dr would not agree with a player who has logged over 1000 games, and shows concern for his long-term health.

I think this will bail your team our of their cap crunch, and Suter too whenever his game declines. Since turning 30, he has amassed 293 points in his 524 games while bringing so much more than just points to his game. His production has dipped this year, but he should still have another full season of good hockey in the tank. Unreal what he has done from 30-36 year of age.
Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

May 10 @ 12:38 PM ET
Even though It bothers some to hear honesty there Is nothing Ignorant about me saying Parise has NO value It's simply true. I'm sure Guerin has learned something about this horrific deal that Fletcher gave to Parise on July 4th 2012. Some of these GMs are just Complete Idiots.
MnGump
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Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

May 10 @ 12:58 PM ET
Even though It bothers some to hear honesty there Is nothing Ignorant about me saying Parise has NO value It's simply true. I'm sure Guerin has learned something about this horrific deal that Fletcher gave to Parise on July 4th 2012. Some of these GMs are just Complete Idiots.
- Shady1962

Wasnt meant to be an insult. But saying "it's simply true" is fairly baseless. Like i said, yes he's getting long in the tooth, quality has plummeted in comparison to his career averages, yes, also true. But you're stating an opinion. To the Wild organization, yes his value has dropped considerably, but still not the same as "no value".

So no, it doesnt bother me to hear the truth about anything, it bothers me that people decide that their opinion and perception of reality based on that opinion IS in fact the truth.

So maybe we're arguing simple semantics, but to say he has "no value" is quite an overstatement based on one shortened season for one of the best American born players in the NHL.

As far as GM's being idiots? Yeah, i think Chuck FLtecher did some pretty poopty things for this organization, but idiotic move or not, the Parise/Suter signing was an exciting move at the time and even though many didn't think it was a good move, it was a huge step in the right direction for this organization at the time. That move alone was responsible for the majority of success this organization has enjoyed from that point til now. I don't think there is one Wild fan that would disagree that the contracts were and still are egregious to say the least, but the problem is that the one big move in july of 2012 needed to be supported with several other key moves that either never came to fruition or just never happened in general.

All that said, i'll agree to disagree.
Gusrichards
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Minnesota Wild
Location: Duluth, MN
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 10 @ 2:21 PM ET
I honestly believe these healthy scratches are part of the bigger plan with Evason. If I were Evason, I would have say Parise down about a week ago and told him that if everyone is healthy, I am going to rest you for the playoffs. Now we all know that Parise's skills have eroded some...but as a 4th liner, he is still very valuable to a team, especially like the Wild. Their game consists of getting pucks deep or forechecking hard to create turnovers. Parise has always worked hard on forechecking and even though he doesn't get on Dmen as quickly as he used to, now he does it for the benefit of the rest of the lineup. You could say his role is now to try and wear down the opposing defense, in the hopes to tire them out and give the skill players a better chance to do what they do.

Parise may have never been one of the fast players in the NHL, and he has lost a step now...but he's no slouch in skating either. A good system will have great skaters that aren't afraid to throw the body around on the 4th line. Usually, just not highly skilled. I know, Bonino is not the quickest skater out there now either, but I really think that is why he has been moved to RW and Sturm has been centering them. Sturm does have great speed on the ice, which is needed as generally Cs have to cover that much more ice during every shift.

Been trying to see who is better out there on the 4th line between Parise and Bjugstad. It really depends on what kind of assignment Evason has given the 4th line on a given night. If Evason wants them to try and control the puck more for the game, I woudl venture to say Bjugstad is playing. If he wants the 4th line to hound on the forecheck to wear down the D, Parise is probably playing. It's a chess match every night.
bmgarvert
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 10 @ 2:30 PM ET
Wasnt meant to be an insult. But saying "it's simply true" is fairly baseless. Like i said, yes he's getting long in the tooth, quality has plummeted in comparison to his career averages, yes, also true. But you're stating an opinion. To the Wild organization, yes his value has dropped considerably, but still not the same as "no value".

So no, it doesnt bother me to hear the truth about anything, it bothers me that people decide that their opinion and perception of reality based on that opinion IS in fact the truth.

So maybe we're arguing simple semantics, but to say he has "no value" is quite an overstatement based on one shortened season for one of the best American born players in the NHL.

As far as GM's being idiots? Yeah, i think Chuck FLtecher did some pretty poopty things for this organization, but idiotic move or not, the Parise/Suter signing was an exciting move at the time and even though many didn't think it was a good move, it was a huge step in the right direction for this organization at the time. That move alone was responsible for the majority of success this organization has enjoyed from that point til now. I don't think there is one Wild fan that would disagree that the contracts were and still are egregious to say the least, but the problem is that the one big move in july of 2012 needed to be supported with several other key moves that either never came to fruition or just never happened in general.

All that said, i'll agree to disagree.

- MnGump


Don't worry too much about it Gump, a few weeks ago Shady was claiming that the Wild should buy out Parise.

Probably has great takes on the Avs, but Wild not so much. (I'll clarify that is my perspective and not a fact)
Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

May 10 @ 7:33 PM ET
No doubt I want Parise gone In the quickest and most painless way for both sides but I don't think that LTIR which someone else brought up Is the answer I think the league Is going to close some of the loopholes that GMs have discovered and It won't be as easy for a team to use that to get at least some cap relief.
MnGump
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Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

May 11 @ 12:06 AM ET
No doubt I want Parise gone In the quickest and most painless way for both sides but I don't think that LTIR which someone else brought up Is the answer I think the league Is going to close some of the loopholes that GMs have discovered and It won't be as easy for a team to use that to get at least some cap relief.
- Shady1962

Lol, yeah he’s such a cancer on this squad.... your credibility is zero.
bmgarvert
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 11 @ 9:12 AM ET
No doubt I want Parise gone In the quickest and most painless way for both sides but I don't think that LTIR which someone else brought up Is the answer I think the league Is going to close some of the loopholes that GMs have discovered and It won't be as easy for a team to use that to get at least some cap relief.
- Shady1962


Yeah, lets not push for the LTIR route which is a loophole that currently exists to escape penalization because it may be closed in the future, but let's totally buy him out for a real penalty now.

bikeguy99
New Jersey Devils
Joined: 09.05.2017

May 11 @ 11:45 AM ET
Yeah, lets not push for the LTIR route which is a loophole that currently exists to escape penalization because it may be closed in the future, but let's totally buy him out for a real penalty now.
- bmgarvert


It is cap evasion at its finest. I have nothing against Boychuk and Seabrook as they absolutely battled through their careers and have some hard miles on them. But when you look at the Isles cap issues, they never would have had enough cash for Barzal, or this upcoming offseason to retain their players. Haha, but its odd how LTIR retirements have skyrocketed, and teams that mismanaged funds are no longer being forced to give up picks/prospects to teams willing to take on bad contracts, nor are buyouts happening anymore.

Caps might as well give OV an 8 year extension at 6M AAV and tell him to retire whenever he wants at this rate....

Shady1962
Joined: 02.06.2021

May 11 @ 5:33 PM ET
No one said Parise Is or was a cancer, It's business, Onward and upward, Out with the old In with the new, Guerin Is trying to scale the Wild and Parise Is not apart of that, I havent said the same YET about Suter because I think he has been pretty good this year.
bmgarvert
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 07.15.2009

May 12 @ 9:11 AM ET
It is cap evasion at its finest. I have nothing against Boychuk and Seabrook as they absolutely battled through their careers and have some hard miles on them. But when you look at the Isles cap issues, they never would have had enough cash for Barzal, or this upcoming offseason to retain their players. Haha, but its odd how LTIR retirements have skyrocketed, and teams that mismanaged funds are no longer being forced to give up picks/prospects to teams willing to take on bad contracts, nor are buyouts happening anymore.

Caps might as well give OV an 8 year extension at 6M AAV and tell him to retire whenever he wants at this rate....

- bikeguy99


Until the league adjusts to deal with these kinds of scenarios there is no reason for the caps not too. It's stupid and should be dealt with but don't hate the player, hate the game.
MnGump
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Minnesota Wild
Location: Columbus, MN
Joined: 06.21.2012

May 12 @ 1:04 PM ET
No one said Parise Is or was a cancer, It's business, Onward and upward, Out with the old In with the new, Guerin Is trying to scale the Wild and Parise Is not apart of that, I havent said the same YET about Suter because I think he has been pretty good this year.
- Shady1962


Right, but you're context alone is basically saying Parise is worthless and has nothing left to offer the squad which is just flat out wrong. Not going to continue to argue his "value" unless you tell me exactly what your definition of the word is because obviously your understanding of the word is different from most or at least mine.


So my entire point is this, Zach is no longer the huge presence on the ice especially in a diminished role playing 4th line minutes... But his presence as a depth player is in fact extremely valuable. in theory... The real issue is the "value" of his contract which about nothing can be done aside from LTIR or for him to allow a trade.
Gusrichards
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Minnesota Wild
Location: Duluth, MN
Joined: 02.22.2012

May 12 @ 2:35 PM ET
The only bad thing with a trade of Parise is if this is all done with bad feelings on Parise's part. There would be nothing to stop him from retiring once traded and burning the Wild with cap recapture penalties as well. Parise will probably get traded this off-season, or at least BG will try his best to trade him, at Parise's request.

But if Parise's is feeling vengeful against the Wild, there is nothing stopping him from just retiring and forcing the cap recapture penalties on the Wild. Now do I think Parise would be that vindictive? No, I don't. But if he is traded, whatever team takes him will be also looking at LTIR in a very near future season, just like the Wild. There is only 1 way out of the Parise contract and the penalties it can incur, and that is the LTIR. Doesn't matter how one spins it, that is the only answer.

Also, the value of Parise on the 4th line? I have been saying he is great value there, but not at $7.5 mil a year for the next 4 years. His work ethic, his hustle and his experience are great...but not at that cost. I do hope the Wild find someone willing to work with Parise. But $30 mil over 4 years needs to be a Top 6 forward and I don't think you will ever get taht consistently from Parise ever again.