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jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 10 @ 1:07 PM ET
1-way or 2-way, every player under contract with an NHL team starts the year in the NHL.

The only way Patrick would start the year in the AHL is if he signed a contract w/ an AHL team instead.

- Tomahawk

Ah .. thank you, I didn't know this. I figured he could start in the AHL and go from there. I can't see Patrick being desperate enough to sign an AHL contract, thus the only good option for the Flyers is to include him in a hockey trade, because I don't see him realistically earning a roster spot next year right out of the gate given the season he has just had.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 10 @ 1:10 PM ET
I think many people here are really deluded on what they think is going to happen this offseason. Best case scenario is that JVR gets claimed without us having to sweeten the pot. Giroux is not going to waive his NMC. If by some miracle you can trade Voracek you will be taking back a player who is not as good as him for about the same cost, in full salary or that salary plus what is retained.....

We have to hope that Fletch fills the top pair d spot and that our young players including Hart (Frost, Lindblom, Patrick, Allison, York etc)have better seasons than they just did. It is what it is.

- MBFlyerfan

Even if you took a bad contract back from Jake, it would hopefully not be anywhere close to what Jake is making per season, and you could at least waive that player and send him down to the Phantoms to gain about a little more cap relief on top of the cap savings from getting rid of Jake. I don't believe you would have to both retain salary and take back a bad contract, it would be one or the other for it to make sense for the Flyers.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 10 @ 1:22 PM ET
Not complaining about what you're proposing, just want to say you're getting a little ahead of yourself here.

G is a tricky one and Couturier isn't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

- Pelle31Forever

I still believe G and Couturier are part of the solution here. For me the ideal off season for Fletcher and the Flyers will be to part with: Ghost, Jake, JVR, Elliott, Patrick, NAK and Braun, add 2 veteran D (Larsson and Ekhold would be a dream), 2 veteran forwards (Foligno, Schwartz) and a backup goalie (Dubnyk or Raanta). Start the season with Frost, Morin, York, Zamula, Allison and Laczynski on the roster.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 10 @ 1:25 PM ET
I think many people here are really deluded on what they think is going to happen this offseason. Best case scenario is that JVR gets claimed without us having to sweeten the pot. Giroux is not going to waive his NMC. If by some miracle you can trade Voracek you will be taking back a player who is not as good as him for about the same cost, in full salary or that salary plus what is retained.....

We have to hope that Fletch fills the top pair d spot and that our young players including Hart (Frost, Lindblom, Patrick, Allison, York etc)have better seasons than they just did. It is what it is.

- MBFlyerfan



shhhh, non-sense, you keep talking like this there will be no blog, we don't want to do that to Bill
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 10 @ 1:28 PM ET
Even if you took a bad contract back from Jake, it would hopefully not be anywhere close to what Jake is making per season, and you could at least waive that player and send him down to the Phantoms to gain about a little more cap relief on top of the cap savings from getting rid of Jake. I don't believe you would have to both retain salary and take back a bad contract, it would be one or the other for it to make sense for the Flyers.
- jd250


don't like the term on Jake but you underestimate what he brings on a complete team. The players that age well are typically the good skaters, Jake has the speed still, on a complete team, playing with confidence he will be a very good contributor. That said with his contract if you get a deal that is decent and have the talent to replace his production, I am ok with it. But you can't replace him with hopes.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 10 @ 1:32 PM ET
don't like the term on Jake but you underestimate what he brings on a complete team. The players that age well are typically the good skaters, Jake has the speed still, on a complete team, playing with confidence he will be a very good contributor. That said with his contract if you get a deal that is decent and have the talent to replace his production, I am ok with it. But you can't replace him with hopes.
- wcorvette

I think freeing up Jake's money, or most of it even, will enable the Flyers to bring in better players for them, forwards with speed, a shoot first mentality and who are tougher on the puck. Between the young forwards the Flyers have and the FAs available, this should not be a problem to replace what good Jake gives you. I really think a team like Toronto would love a Jake to play with Matthews for example, so I do believe, even with his contract, there is a market for Jake.
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: SELL THE DAMN TEAM!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 10 @ 1:40 PM ET
I think many people here are really deluded on what they think is going to happen this offseason. Best case scenario is that JVR gets claimed without us having to sweeten the pot. Giroux is not going to waive his NMC. If by some miracle you can trade Voracek you will be taking back a player who is not as good as him for about the same cost, in full salary or that salary plus what is retained.....

We have to hope that Fletch fills the top pair d spot and that our young players including Hart (Frost, Lindblom, Patrick, Allison, York etc)have better seasons than they just did. It is what it is.

- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. Half the proposals I’ve seen here are just delusional. Voracek is probably not going anywhere and the only “big” move I can see them making is trying to see if they can package Ghost+pick/prospect for an upgrade at right D. Other than signing someone better than Elliott to tandem with Hart, that’s likely it.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 10 @ 1:53 PM ET
Exactly. Half the proposals I’ve seen here are just delusional. Voracek is probably not going anywhere and the only “big” move I can see them making is trying to see if they can package Ghost+pick/prospect for an upgrade at right D. Other than signing someone better than Elliott to tandem with Hart, that’s likely it.
- BiggE


The team will probably focus on Dougie, but most likely won't be able to match what others will give. Obviously Fletch has to do something this offseason because saying this team is good enough the way it is will not be an option. Personally I think his job rides on this offseason and how well the Flyers jump out of the gate. Backup goalie is a no brainer, but depends on how much they want to spend and if they can get a good bang for the buck.

Ghost being traded seems to be very unlikely unless they pair him with a higher tier prospect like Frost as a salary dump. Other than that he really has no value.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

May 10 @ 1:58 PM ET
just lose this game IDGAF
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

May 10 @ 1:58 PM ET
I'd rather add a sweetener to Jake in the ED. He is uncoachable at this point and his attitude oozes defiance which cannot be good for a young group trying to buy into something.

JVR is the better locker room presence, has nearly double the goals, almost identical points on the season - oh and Jake is a -13.

JVR? +2
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 10 @ 1:58 PM ET
I think freeing up Jake's money, or most of it even, will enable the Flyers to bring in better players for them, forwards with speed, a shoot first mentality and who are tougher on the puck. Between the young forwards the Flyers have and the FAs available, this should not be a problem to replace what good Jake gives you. I really think a team like Toronto would love a Jake to play with Matthews for example, so I do believe, even with his contract, there is a market for Jake.
- jd250


With the Cap crunch I dont see any team who is in contention taking a Jake without moving a bad contract back.
wcorvette
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Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 10 @ 2:03 PM ET
The team will probably focus on Dougie, but most likely won't be able to match what others will give. Obviously Fletch has to do something this offseason because saying this team is good enough the way it is will not be an option. Personally I think his job rides on this offseason and how well the Flyers jump out of the gate. Backup goalie is a no brainer, but depends on how much they want to spend and if they can get a good bang for the buck.

Ghost being traded seems to be very unlikely unless they pair him with a higher tier prospect like Frost as a salary dump. Other than that he really has no value.

- Glak18



ghost had a decent season and on a team with the right mix, playing with confidence he would look even better. Add in you could retain salary. Ghost at 2.250 cap hit has real good value. He is top 8 in goals for D, that includes being waived, sat, suspended and misused.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 10 @ 2:25 PM ET
I think many people here are really deluded on what they think is going to happen this offseason. Best case scenario is that JVR gets claimed without us having to sweeten the pot. Giroux is not going to waive his NMC. If by some miracle you can trade Voracek you will be taking back a player who is not as good as him for about the same cost, in full salary or that salary plus what is retained.....

We have to hope that Fletch fills the top pair d spot and that our young players including Hart (Frost, Lindblom, Patrick, Allison, York etc)have better seasons than they just did. It is what it is.

- MBFlyerfan

You have to focus on what you have before you can focus on what you can get.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

May 10 @ 2:26 PM ET
1-way or 2-way, every player under contract with an NHL team starts the year in the NHL.

The only way Patrick would start the year in the AHL is if he signed a contract w/ an AHL team instead.

- Tomahawk


Ah excellent, thank you.
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 10 @ 2:28 PM ET
I think many people here are really deluded on what they think is going to happen this offseason. Best case scenario is that JVR gets claimed without us having to sweeten the pot. Giroux is not going to waive his NMC. If by some miracle you can trade Voracek you will be taking back a player who is not as good as him for about the same cost, in full salary or that salary plus what is retained.....

We have to hope that Fletch fills the top pair d spot and that our young players including Hart (Frost, Lindblom, Patrick, Allison, York etc)have better seasons than they just did. It is what it is.

- MBFlyerfan

Pretty spot on, they aren’t taking Jake. I’m not looking to move G but I doubt he would waive anyways. These young guys next year really need to start contributing, if it’s reliant on G Jake Coots again next year we will be looking at more
Of the same.
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

May 10 @ 2:30 PM ET
Exactly. Half the proposals I’ve seen here are just delusional. Voracek is probably not going anywhere and the only “big” move I can see them making is trying to see if they can package Ghost+pick/prospect for an upgrade at right D. Other than signing someone better than Elliott to tandem with Hart, that’s likely it.
- BiggE

Yeah but why would any team do what you’re suggesting? I don’t think Ghost plus two draft picks for an upgrade coming back to us is much of an offer either. I think the offering of the draft picks would have to be really high for them to consider that, otherwise it’s good defenseman for average at best defenseman.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

May 10 @ 2:30 PM ET
I think many people here are really deluded on what they think is going to happen this offseason. Best case scenario is that JVR gets claimed without us having to sweeten the pot. Giroux is not going to waive his NMC. If by some miracle you can trade Voracek you will be taking back a player who is not as good as him for about the same cost, in full salary or that salary plus what is retained.....

We have to hope that Fletch fills the top pair d spot and that our young players including Hart (Frost, Lindblom, Patrick, Allison, York etc)have better seasons than they just did. It is what it is.

- MBFlyerfan


I'm all for starting over but it's going to take some time to so it. One offseason is impossible.
rconley1501
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Woodbury heights, NJ
Joined: 06.08.2012

May 10 @ 2:37 PM ET
Okay, first time writer, long time reader:

Hear me out on this before you tell me I'm nuts! I think the Defenseman we want is Ristolainen. Big Physical, right handed and I think he will mesh well with Provy. I think CF should reach out and see if Buffalo would be interested in Jake. my thought is they need someone to feed Eichel (who by the way they are not trading unless they get a kings ransom). Jake will not be able to leave for a few years since he has term and after next year his cost is much less than his Cap. This in conjunction with JVR going to Seattle, opens up the forwards and help out the D. I would move either Ghost or Sanheim. Maybe send Sanheim back to Calgary for Johnny Hockey. I believe the Flyers need a few players who play with an edge. Sanheim has size but no edge IMO. Okay I will send and read.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

May 10 @ 2:37 PM ET
I still believe G and Couturier are part of the solution here. For me the ideal off season for Fletcher and the Flyers will be to part with: Ghost, Jake, JVR, Elliott, Patrick, NAK and Braun, add 2 veteran D (Larsson and Ekhold would be a dream), 2 veteran forwards (Foligno, Schwartz) and a backup goalie (Dubnyk or Raanta). Start the season with Frost, Morin, York, Zamula, Allison and Laczynski on the roster.
- jd250


Couturier yes, G no.

He's giving everything he has it's been nothing but bubble teams and first round exits excluding last year. It's time to say bye bye to the 30ish aged vets and get some new blood in.
Glak18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "It's pretty big loogie on my face, so I was pretty psssted".", PA
Joined: 06.26.2007

May 10 @ 2:37 PM ET
ghost had a decent season and on a team with the right mix, playing with confidence he would look even better. Add in you could retain salary. Ghost at 2.250 cap hit has real good value. He is top 8 in goals for D, that includes being waived, sat, suspended and misused.
- wcorvette


I still find it odd that he has been misused by so many coaches, someone needs to tell these guys how to use him correctly.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 10 @ 2:38 PM ET
With the Cap crunch I dont see any team who is in contention taking a Jake without moving a bad contract back.
- wcorvette

Or the Flyers covering $2.5M in salary, which is what their current buyout cap hit is.
PT21
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: 木糠布丁, PA
Joined: 03.04.2008

May 10 @ 2:38 PM ET
I think many people here are really deluded on what they think is going to happen this offseason. Best case scenario is that JVR gets claimed without us having to sweeten the pot. Giroux is not going to waive his NMC. If by some miracle you can trade Voracek you will be taking back a player who is not as good as him for about the same cost, in full salary or that salary plus what is retained.....

We have to hope that Fletch fills the top pair d spot and that our young players including Hart (Frost, Lindblom, Patrick, Allison, York etc)have better seasons than they just did. It is what it is.

- MBFlyerfan


It all depends on when he is asked and what the alternative is. Ask him to waive near the TDL not this summer and tell him he won't be resigned after 21-22 anyway.

I think he will waive. Else, he will come across as a guy coasting and resting on his laurels and he will diminish his own UFA value.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

May 10 @ 2:40 PM ET
Okay, first time writer, long time reader:

Hear me out on this before you tell me I'm nuts! I think the Defenseman we want is Ristolainen. Big Physical, right handed and I think he will mesh well with Provy. I think CF should reach out and see if Buffalo would be interested in Jake. my thought is they need someone to feed Eichel (who by the way they are not trading unless they get a kings ransom). Jake will not be able to leave for a few years since he has term and after next year his cost is much less than his Cap. This in conjunction with JVR going to Seattle, opens up the forwards and help out the D. I would move either Ghost or Sanheim. Maybe send Sanheim back to Calgary for Johnny Hockey. I believe the Flyers need a few players who play with an edge. Sanheim has size but no edge IMO. Okay I will send and read.

- rconley1501


I was with you up until you wanted to move on from Sanheim over Myers.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

May 10 @ 2:40 PM ET
Couturier yes, G no.

He's giving everything he has it's been nothing but bubble teams and first round exits excluding last year. It's time to say bye bye to the 30ish aged vets and get some new blood in.

- Pelle31Forever

That is why I am proposing to bring a new veteran core, players like Ekholm and Foligno, to provide new voices in the room. G is still a good player and is a leader by example for the younger players. If we can bring in players like Foligno who have been captains before, that hopefully will provide new locker room voices and a new attitude.
black_francis
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bumfuck, NJ
Joined: 01.10.2015

May 10 @ 2:41 PM ET
I still find it odd that he has been misused by so many coaches, someone needs to tell these guys how to use him correctly.
- Glak18



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