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landros 2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 11 @ 9:27 AM ET
I didn't state the Flyers were more or less effected than other teams by COVID. If you read what I wrote, I indicated some teams were more effected than others, such as Vancouver, and it is very difficult to measure/quantify the impact it may have had. I also mentioned it was NOT a legitimate excuse for how the Flyers performed after the first month of the season.
- aantny88



It is true that some teams that had positive tests faced greater challenges....for sure. I’m sure we’ll here EXACTLY that today. But in truth teams like Boston and Washington had the same If not worse Covid related challenges. The difference...The Flyers as a team crumbled under their Covid issues. The young guys, Patrick, Lindblom, Myers, NAK, Hart never seemed to get on track after looking good the first few games and badly regressed. Guys like Konecny, Ghost, Sanheim had issues early but played better as the season went on....but really all three in my book are better then that. Add in down years from Hayes and Provy and the this just wasn’t a very good hockey team.
CRUSH IT LIKE ME
Location: Give me 20 of Kunitz vs 20 girouxs
Joined: 04.25.2021

May 11 @ 9:28 AM ET
The fact that people are all over that post is ridiculous, the guy drafted middling talent and we are stuck in no mans land. His best pick was Provorov, who in his fifth season has regressed which is very troubling. The top 10 of Provys draft was can’t miss as well outside of Zacha and a ton of talent after the top 10. I’ll give him the TK pick.
- ClaudeFather

settle down
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

May 11 @ 9:30 AM ET
TBH...I'm blow it up because this team has a seriously engrained culture that allows for not showing up and giving their best effort. That is a serious DNA flaw and it needs to be excised from this organization to allow any of these young players to reach their potential
- matman31


Where does this organizational DNA stuff come from? Would you put the Flyers team that made it to the final in 2010 as part of that engrained culture? Because last time I checked, they only made the playoffs on the last game of the season, vastly underachieving for the talent on that roster. How many of those players are still left on the team. Only one that I know of and that's Giroux. Is it his fault that the cultural DNA you speak of continues a decade later? That's a lot of blame to put on G, considering he's one of the best players this organization has ever had!
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 11 @ 9:30 AM ET
settle down
- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

Your savior ended up being a middle of the road GM
landros 2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 11 @ 9:30 AM ET
The young guys are the problem, outside of Farabee, not one of them had a good season.
- ClaudeFather


One of the biggest problems....Giroux was the best Flyer this season.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

May 11 @ 9:31 AM ET
It is true that some teams that had positive tests faced greater challenges....for sure. I’m sure we’ll here EXACTLY that today. But in truth teams like Boston and Washington had the same If not worse Covid related challenges. The difference...The Flyers as a team crumbled under their Covid issues. The young guys, Patrick, Lindblom, Myers, NAK, Hart never seemed to get on track after looking good the first few games and badly regressed. Guys like Konecny, Ghost, Sanheim had issues early but played better as the season went on....but really all three in my book are better then that. Add in down years from Hayes and Provy and the this just wasn’t a very good hockey team.
- landros 2


Flyers are also one of the youngest teams in the league, which may have something to do with crumbling under their COVID issues? Completely agree that the regression of the younger players who were being counted on to take the next steps was the biggest issue with this team.
PLindbergh31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Company Stogeville, NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 11 @ 9:32 AM ET
We wasted YEARS under Hextall.

Damn him.

- DrMidnite


Don’t worry, he’s now going to run the Penguins into the ground.

First step, a Divisions Championship.
CRUSH IT LIKE ME
Location: Give me 20 of Kunitz vs 20 girouxs
Joined: 04.25.2021

May 11 @ 9:33 AM ET
Your savior ended up being a middle of the road GM
- ClaudeFather

hahahaha luved your savior
ClaudeFather
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: west haven, CT
Joined: 08.14.2015

May 11 @ 9:34 AM ET
hahahaha luved your savior
- CRUSH IT LIKE ME

LOL
BiggE
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buh bye NJ, hello Florida!
Joined: 04.17.2012

May 11 @ 9:36 AM ET
I have zero confidence that Chuck Fletcher is the guy that can build a championship team.

None, nada, zilch
PLindbergh31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Company Stogeville, NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 11 @ 9:38 AM ET
I have zero confidence that Chuck Fletcher is the guy that can build a championship team.

None, nada, zilch

- BiggE


After the dynasty he built in Minnesota? Look at the shambles they are in now without him.

This seems like a hot take
landros 2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 11 @ 9:38 AM ET
Flyers are also one of the youngest teams in the league, which may have something to do with crumbling under their COVID issues? Completely agree that the regression of the younger players who were being counted on to take the next steps was the biggest issue with this team.
- aantny88


I’m sure it did....to me it’s an individual thing. Farabee was great. Hart wasn’t. What’s Haye’s excuse?....I’m not sure what Fletch does, with some of these young guys. He already noted he’s trying not to put to much of this seasons results into his young players severe regression due to Covid. Time will tell.
matman31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: In Cognito
Joined: 12.14.2005

May 11 @ 9:40 AM ET
Where does this organizational DNA stuff come from? Would you put the Flyers team that made it to the final in 2010 as part of that engrained culture? Because last time I checked, they only made the playoffs on the last game of the season, vastly underachieving for the talent on that roster. How many of those players are still left on the team. Only one that I know of and that's Giroux. Is it his fault that the cultural DNA you speak of continues a decade later? That's a lot of blame to put on G, considering he's one of the best players this organization has ever had!
- aantny88

First, 2010 was 11 years ago and is irrelevant to this team. Second, I am not a G basher and have no issues with his nightly effort. If you can't see that there is something that allows this team to consistently take periods / games off on a regular basis and has done so under many different coaching staffs, I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't expect them to win the cup every year, but I do expect them to work their tails off in an effort to achieve that goal. When I say DNA, this is what I am referring to; what is it that allows this to be acceptable? Because it sure as hell doesn't ever change
landros 2
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

May 11 @ 9:40 AM ET
I have zero confidence that Chuck Fletcher is the guy that can build a championship team.

None, nada, zilch

- BiggE


Good start early on...then a total failure this year. Can’t say I disagree.
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

May 11 @ 9:45 AM ET
I’m sure it did....to me it’s an individual thing. Farabee was great. Hart wasn’t. What’s Haye’s excuse?....I’m not sure what Fletch does, with some of these young guys. He already noted he’s trying not to put to much of this seasons results into his young players severe regression due to Covid. Time will tell.
- landros 2


Mental toughness and resilience is difficult to measure/quantify. Not sure what Hayes' issue was, but I agree he was incredibly frustrating to watch all season. Could have been playing through a nagging injury all season.
wcorvette
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Boynton Beach, FL
Joined: 10.03.2010

May 11 @ 9:47 AM ET
rather have them miss this way then just miss...
aantny88
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Suck it Phaneuf, PA
Joined: 03.14.2008

May 11 @ 9:48 AM ET
First, 2010 was 11 years ago and is irrelevant to this team. Second, I am not a G basher and have no issues with his nightly effort. If you can't see that there is something that allows this team to consistently take periods / games off on a regular basis and has done so under many different coaching staffs, I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't expect them to win the cup every year, but I do expect them to work their tails off in an effort to achieve that goal. When I say DNA, this is what I am referring to; what is it that allows this to be acceptable? Because it sure as hell doesn't ever change
- matman31


I definitely see what you do on the ice with the way they seem to take periods off, but I don't know why it happens. Different players, different coaches and it is been a pervasive issue, even during Snider's final years. I do know that it's rare for one team to dominate a full 60 minutes because there is another team playing too that isn't just going through the motions.
juiced
Joined: 06.13.2014

May 11 @ 9:51 AM ET
First, 2010 was 11 years ago and is irrelevant to this team. Second, I am not a G basher and have no issues with his nightly effort. If you can't see that there is something that allows this team to consistently take periods / games off on a regular basis and has done so under many different coaching staffs, I'm not sure what to tell you. I don't expect them to win the cup every year, but I do expect them to work their tails off in an effort to achieve that goal. When I say DNA, this is what I am referring to; what is it that allows this to be acceptable? Because it sure as hell doesn't ever change
- matman31


G is not an in your face type of Captain and he never will be....and without Wayne here, there isnt a bad cop presence i the locker room. Im sure Laughts does his best to try to be that guy based on his persona but im not sure he can get the attention of everyone. We may need to bring in someone like Foligno if he's willing to leave the Leafs. I think he'd be a perfect veteran to combine with G.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 11 @ 9:53 AM ET
Im tired of this group but you just know they’re going to contend for a division title next year
- Just5

I know you normally come at this from an everything is terrible view...but I think if Fletcher can make some really smart moves, he can unload some of the parts that don't work, and get some that do and maybe they can compete...I agree they will not if they come back in with the same roster. I liked what I saw from the Farabee, Allison and Hayes line...but if we needed to move Hayes to get a guy like Eichel then you make that move...Lots of potential chess moves for Fletcher...but he needs some partners. If he gets stonewalled, then we should expect us to only be as good as we were last year., and that would be the ceiling.
JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 11 @ 9:54 AM ET
I have zero confidence that Chuck Fletcher is the guy that can build a championship team.

None, nada, zilch

- BiggE


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JW98FlyerFan
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 07.02.2013

May 11 @ 9:55 AM ET
I have zero confidence that Chuck Fletcher is the guy that can build a championship team.

None, nada, zilch

- BiggE


I think that could be said of most GMs until they hit pay dirt. It really is soooo much more luck then skill, regardless how we try to dress it up postmortem.

We were so confident we were hitting homeruns as we drafted too...you just don't know.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. In a shambles.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 11 @ 9:55 AM ET
Kevin Hayes' contract is a big problem moving forward.

matman31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: In Cognito
Joined: 12.14.2005

May 11 @ 9:58 AM ET
I definitely see what you do on the ice with the way they seem to take periods off, but I don't know why it happens. Different players, different coaches and it is been a pervasive issue, even during Snider's final years. I do know that it's rare for one team to dominate a full 60 minutes because there is another team playing too that isn't just going through the motions.
- aantny88

I know that expecting a high level of competition on a nightly basis isn't going to happen, but when you roll over and get "pantsed" by inferior teams (this happened a lot this year), there is something really wrong. This organizations history has been that it's not always the most talented team, but it will outwork you on a consistent basis. That '87 team had no business taking that Oilers team to seven games with all the injuries they had, but they did because they worked their tails off. I think most of us would accept the results if this was the mindset this team employed. Unfortunately, like you, I don't know where their non-compete disorder comes from. I'm left at making major player changes, because I do not believe that this coaching staff forgot how to coach this year.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. In a shambles.
Joined: 02.04.2009

May 11 @ 9:59 AM ET
I have zero confidence that Chuck Fletcher is the guy that can build a championship team.

None, nada, zilch

- BiggE


You mean the guy who was basically handed a career in hockey management right out of law school because Bob Clarke liked his dad?


PLindbergh31
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Company Stogeville, NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

May 11 @ 10:02 AM ET
Kevin Hayes' contract is a big problem moving forward.
- Tomahawk


Don’t let the Hayes contract shake your confidence in Fletcher.
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